APPENDIX 10: FORMAL MINUTES
Extract from the House of Lords Minutes of Proceedings
of Wednesday 25 April 2007
Human Tissue and Embryos The Lord President (Baroness
Amos) moved that it is expedient that a Joint Committee of Lords
and Commons be appointed to consider and report on any draft Human
Tissue and Embryos Bill presented to both Houses by a Minister
of the Crown and that the Committee should report on any draft
Bill by 25 July. The motion was agreed to.
Extract from the Votes and Proceedings of the House
of Commons Wednesday 2 May 2007
Draft Human Tissue and Embryos Bill (Joint Committee),—Resolved,
That this House concurs with the Lords Message of 26th April,
that it is expedient that a Joint Committee of Lords and Commons
be appointed to consider and report on any draft Human Tissue
and Embryos Bill presented to both Houses by a Minister of the
Crown and that the Committee should report on the draft Bill by
25th July 2007.
Ordered, That a Select Committee of nine Members
be appointed to join with the Committee appointed by the Lords
to consider the draft Human Tissue and Embryos Bill.
That the Committee shall have power—
(i) to send for persons, papers and records;
(ii) to sit notwithstanding any adjournment of the
House;
(iii) to report from time to time;
(iv) to appoint specialist advisers; and
(v) to adjourn from place to place within the United
Kingdom.
That the quorum of the Committee shall be two; and
That Mr David Burrowes, Ms Katy Clark, Dr Ian Gibson,
Robert Key, Chris Mole, Dr Doug Naysmith, Geraldine Smith, Ms
Dari Taylor and Mr Phil Willis be members of the Committee.—(Mr
Dave Watts.)
Message to the Lords to acquaint them therewith.
Extract from the House of Lords Minutes of Proceedings
of Tuesday 8 May 2007
Human Tissue and Embryos Bill (Draft) The Chairman
of Committees moved that the Commons message of 2 May be considered
and that a Committee of nine Lords members be appointed to join
with the Committee appointed by the Commons to consider and report
on any draft Human Tissue and Embryos Bill presented to both Houses
by a Minister of the Crown and that the Committee should report
on the draft Bill by 25 July;
That, as proposed by the Committee of Selection,
the following Lords members be appointed to the Committee:
B Deech, B Hollis of Heigham, L Jenkin of Roding,
L Mackay of Clashfern, B Neuberger, Bp St Albans, L Selsdon, L
Turnberg, L Winston;
That the Committee have power to agree with the Committee
appointed by the Commons in the appointment of a Chairman;
That the Committee have leave to report from time
to time notwithstanding any adjournment of the House;
That the Committee have power to appoint specialist
advisers;
That the Committee have power to adjourn from place
to place;
That the quorum of the Committee be two; and
That the reports of the Committee from time to time
shall be printed, notwithstanding any adjournment of the House.
The motion was agreed to, and a message was sent
to the Commons.
Extract from the House of Lords Minutes of Proceedings
of Thursday 10 May 2007
Human Tissue and Embryos Bill (Draft) The Chairman
of Committees moved, further to the motion agreed to on 8 May,
that evidence taken by the Committee shall, if the Committee thinks
fit, be published; and that the Committee do meet with the Committee
appointed by the Commons on Tuesday 15 May at 2.00pm. The motion
was agreed to, and a message was sent to the Commons.
Extract from the Votes and Proceedings of the House
of Commons Thursday 10 May 2007
Draft Human Tissues and Embryos Bill,—The Lords
communicate that they have come to the following Resolution in
respect of the Committee appointed to join with the Committee
appointed by this House to consider and report on any draft Human
Tissue and Embryos Bill:
That the evidence taken by the Committee shall, if
the Committee thinks fit, be published; and
That the Committee do meet with the Committee appointed
by the Commons on Tuesday 15th May at Two o'clock.
Extract from the House of Lords Minutes of Proceedings
of Monday 14 May 2007
Human Tissue and Embryos Bill (Draft) A message was
received from the Commons that they have ordered that the Committee
appointed by them to join with a Committee of this House on any
draft Human Tissue and Embryos Bill do meet the Committee appointed
by this House on Tuesday 15 May at 2.00pm.
Tuesday 15 May 2007
Present:
Baroness Deech Mr David Burrowes MP
Baroness Hollis of Heigham Ms Katy Clark
MP
Lord Mackay of Clashfern Dr Doug Naysmith
MP
Baroness Neuberger Dr Ian Gibson MP
Lord Selsdon Robert Key MP
Lord Turnberg Chris Mole MP
Lord Winston Ms Dari Taylor MP
Mr Phil Willis MP
The declarations of relevant interests are made:
David Burrowes MP declared an interest in having
an intern provided by the Christian charity, CARE.
Dari Taylor MP declared and interest as Chair of
the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Infertility.
Baroness Deech declared an interest as former chair
of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority 1994-2002;
as former ex officio member of the Human Genetics Commission
1999-2002; as giving occasional lectures on infertility, stem
cells and related issues for small honorarium and fare; and as
writing a book on the development of infertility issues.
Lord Mackay of Clashfern declared and interest as
Honorary Fellow of the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists;
as Patron of the Lawyers' Christian Fellowship and number of various
Christian organisations; as Honorary Fellow of Royal College of
Surgeons of Edinburgh; as Honorary Fellow Royal College of Physicians
of Edinburgh; and as having presented the Bill in the House of
Lords that led to the 1990 Act.
Baroness Neuberger declared an interest as a former
member of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority 1991-1995
and its predecessor bodies; as a former member of Medical Research
Council 1995-2000; and as a former member General Medical Council
1993-2001.
Lord Turnberg declared an interest as a scientific
advisor to the Association of Medical Research Charities.
Lord Winston declared an interest as Member, Scientific
Advisory Committee, Association of Medical Research Charities;
and as holding a licence to do research under the HFEA and as
the director and shareholder of a company which does adult stem
cell research.
It is moved that Phil Willis MP do take the Chair.—(Lord
Mackay of Clashfern)
The same is agreed to.
The Orders of Reference are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, That Professor Martin Johnson and Professor
Sheila McLean be appointed as Specialist Advisers to assist the
Committee.
Ordered, That the Joint Committee be adjourned to
Tuesday 22 May at 1 o'clock.
Tuesday 22 May 2007
Present:
Baroness Deech Mr David Burrowes MP
Baroness Hollis of Heigham Ms Katy Clark
MP
Lord Mackay of Clashfern Dr Ian Gibson
MP
Lord Jenkin of Roding Ms Dari Taylor MP
Baroness Neuberger
Lord Selsdon
Lord Turnberg
Lord Winston
Robert Key MP in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The proceedings of Tuesday 15 May are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, That memoranda submitted to the Joint Committee
be published.
Ordered, That the uncorrected transcripts of evidence
given, unless the Committee otherwise order, be published on the
internet.
Ordered, That the Joint Committee be adjourned to
Tuesday 5 June at 1 o'clock.
Tuesday 5 June 2007
Present:
Baroness Deech Mr David Burrowes MP
Baroness Hollis of Heigham Ms Katy Clark
MP
Lord Jenkin of Roding Dr Ian Gibson MP
Baroness Neuberger Robert Key MP
Lord Selsdon Chris Mole MP
Lord Turnberg Dr Doug Naysmith MP
Lord Winston Geraldine Smith MP
Ms Dari Taylor MP
Phil Willis MP in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The proceedings of Tuesday 22 May are read.
Ordered, That Memoranda numbers HTEV1-4, 7 and 8
submitted to the Joint Committee be reported to the House of Commons
for publication on the internet.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The following witnesses are examined:
Professor Colin Blakemore, Chief Executive Officer,
Medical Research Council; Professor Roger Brownsword, Professor
of Law, King's College London; Hugh Whittall, Director, Nuffield
Council on Bioethics; Vivienne Nathanson, Director of Professional
Activities, and Dr Tony Calland, Chairman, Medical Ethics Committee,
British Medical Association; Professor Peter Braude, Head, Department
of Women's Health, King's College London and Chair, Scientific
Advisory Committee, Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists;
Dr Suzannah Lishman, Assistant Registrar, Royal College of Pathologists.
Ordered, That the Joint Committee be adjourned to
Wednesday 6 June at 3 o'clock.
Wednesday 6 June 2007
Present:
Baroness Deech Mr David Burrowes MP
Lord Jenkin of Roding Ms Katy Clark MP
Baroness Neuberger Dr Ian Gibson MP
Bishop of St Albans Robert Key MP
Lord Selsdon Dr Doug Naysmith MP
Lord Winston Chris Mole MP
Geraldine Smith MP
Phil Willis MP in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The following witnesses are examined:
Shirley Harrison, Chair, HFEA and HTA; Angela McNab,
Chief Executive, HFEA; Adrian McNeil, Chief Executive, HTA; Sir
Liam Donaldson, Chief Medical Officer; Mr Edward Webb, Director,
Scientific Development and Bioethics, Department of Health; and
Mr Christopher Cox, Bill Team Leader, Department of Health.
Ordered, That the Joint Committee be adjourned to
Tuesday 12 June at 1 o'clock.
Tuesday 12 June 2007
Present:
Baroness Deech Mr David Burrowes MP
Baroness Hollis of Heigham Ms Katy Clark
MP
Lord Jenkin of Roding Dr Ian Gibson MP
Lord Mackay of Clashfern Robert Key MP
Baroness Neuberger Chris Mole MP
Lord Winston Dr Doug Naysmith MP
Geraldine Smith MP
Ms Dari Taylor MP
Phil Willis MP in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The proceedings of Tuesday 5 and Wednesday 6 June
are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The following witnesses are examined:
Dr Ian Sample, Science Correspondent, The Guardian;
Fergus Walsh, Medical Correspondent, BBC; Tom Feilden, Science
Correspondent, BBC Radio 4 Today Programme; and Mark Henderson,
Science Editor, The Times.
Ordered, That the Joint Committee be adjourned to
Wednesday 13 June at 3 o'clock.
Wednesday 13 June 2007
Present:
Baroness Deech Ms Katy Clark MP
Baroness Hollis of Heigham Dr Ian Gibson
MP
Lord Jenkin of Roding Robert Key MP
Lord Mackay of Clashfern Chris Mole MP
Baroness Neuberger Dr Doug Naysmith MP
Bishop of St Albans Geraldine Smith MP
Lord Selsdon Ms Dari Taylor MP
Lord Turnberg
Lord Winston
Phil Willis MP in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
Ordered, That Memoranda numbers HTEV05, 10-18, 20
and 21 submitted to the Joint Committee be reported to the House
of Commons for publication on the internet.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The following witnesses are examined:
Dr Mark Hamilton, Chair, British Fertility Society;
Dr Dave Morroll, Chair, Association of Clinical Embryologists;
Lady Julia Tugendhat, Vice President, British Association for
Counselling and Psychotherapy; Professor Simon Fishel, Managing
Director, CARE Fertility group; Charles Kingsland, Consultant
Gynaecologist, Clinical Director, Hewitt Centre Liverpool; and
Dr Gillian Lockwood, Medical Director, Midland Fertility Services.
Ordered, That the Joint Committee be adjourned to
Tuesday 19 June at 1 o'clock.
Tuesday 19 June 2007
Present:
Baroness Deech Mr David Burrowes MP
Baroness Hollis of Heigham Robert Key MP
Lord Jenkin of Roding Chris Mole MP
Lord Mackay of Clashfern Dr Doug Naysmith
MP
Baroness Neuberger Geraldine Smith MP
Lord Selsdon Ms Dari Taylor MP
Lord Winston
Phil Willis MP in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The proceedings of Tuesday 12 and Wednesday 13 June
are read.
Ordered, That Memoranda numbers HTEV22-41 submitted
to the Joint Committee be reported to the House of Commons for
publication on the internet.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The following witnesses are examined:
Caroline Flint MP, Minister of State for Public Health;
Edward Webb, Branch Head of Scientific Development and Bioethics,
Department of Health, and Gareth Jones, Director of Scientific
Development, Department of Health.
Ordered, That the Joint Committee be adjourned to
Wednesday 20 June at 3 o'clock.
Wednesday 20 June 2007
Present:
Baroness Deech Mr David Burrowes MP
Baroness Hollis of Heigham Dr Ian Gibson
MP
Lord Jenkin of Roding Robert Key MP
Lord Mackay of Clashfern Chris Mole MP
Bishop of St Albans Geraldine Smith MP
Lord Selsdon Ms Dari Taylor MP
Lord Winston
Phil Willis MP in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The following witnesses are examined:
Dr Robin Lovell-Badge, Head of the Division of Stem
Cell Biology and Developmental Genetics, MRC National Institute
for Medical Research; Dr Stephen Minger, Director, Stem Cell Biology
Laboratory, Wolfson Centre for Age-Related Disease, King's College
London; Professor Neva Haites, Chair, HFEA Scientific and Clinical
Advances Group and Professor in Medical Genetics, University of
Aberdeen; Clare Brown, Chief Executive, Infertility Network UK;
Laura Witjens, Chair, National Gamete Donation Trust; Walter Merricks,
Founder Member and Treasurer, Donor Conception Network; and Joanna
Rose, a donor-conceived person.
Ordered, That the Joint Committee be adjourned to
Tuesday 26 June at 1 o'clock.
Tuesday 26 June 2007
Present:
Baroness Deech Mr David Burrowes MP
Baroness Hollis of Heigham Robert Key MP
Lord Jenkin of Roding Chris Mole MP
Lord Mackay of Clashfern Dr Doug Naysmith
MP
Baroness Neuberger Ms Dari Taylor MP
Bishop of St Albans
Lord Selsdon
Lord Winston
Phil Willis MP in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The proceedings of Tuesday 19 and Wednesday 20 June
are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The following witnesses are examined:
Professor Sir Ian Kennedy, Healthcare Commission;
Professor Sir Richard Gardner, University of Oxford; Dr Francoise
Shenfield, University College London Hospital; Professor Raanan
Gillon, Emeritus Professor of Medical Ethics, Imperial College
London; Professor Søren Holm, Cardiff Law School; and Professor
John Haldane, Professor of Philosophy and Director, Centre for
Ethics, Philosophy and Public Affairs in the University of Andrews.
Ordered, That the Joint Committee be adjourned to
Wednesday 27 June at 3 o'clock.
Wednesday 27 June 2007
Present:
Baroness Deech Mr David Burrowes MP
Baroness Hollis of Heigham Ms Katy Clark
MP
Lord Mackay of Clashfern Dr Ian Gibson
MP
Lord Jenkin of Roding Robert Key MP
Baroness Neuberger Chris Mole MP
Bishop of St Albans Dr Doug Naysmith MP
Lord Selsdon
Lord Winston
Phil Willis MP in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The following witnesses are examined:
Professor Susan Golombok, Cambridge University; Professor
Brenda Almond, Emeritus Professor of Moral and Social Philosophy,
University of Hull; Professor Ann Buchanan, University of Oxford;
Simon Denegri, Chief Executive, Association of Medical Research
Charities; Professor Martin Bobrow, Chair, Hybrid/Chimera Embryos
Working Group, Academy of Medical Sciences; Professor Austin Smith,
Director, Wellcome Trust Centre for Stem Cell Research, University
of Cambridge; Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws, Chair, Human Genetics
Commission; and Lord Patel.
Ordered, That the Joint Committee be adjourned to
Wednesday 27 June at half-past 6 o'clock.
Wednesday 27 June 2007
Present:
Lord Jenkin of Roding Mr David Burrowes
MP
Lord Mackay of Clashfern Dr Ian Gibson
MP
Bishop of St Albans Robert Key MP
Lord Selsdon Chris Mole MP
Lord Winston Dr Doug Naysmith MP
Ms Dari Taylor MP
Phil Willis MP in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
A discussion was held with:
The Rt Revd Dr Lee Rayfield, Bishop of Swindon, Church
of England; Dr Donald Bruce, Science, Religion and Technology
Project, Church of Scotland; Dr Daniel Boucher, Director of Parliamentary
Affairs, CARE; Dr Andrew Fergusson, Head of Communications, Christian
Medical Fellowship; Andrea Minichiello Williams, Public Policy
Director, Lawyers Christian Fellowship; Rachel Bell, Associate
Director, BioCentre: Centre for Bioethics and Public Policy; Paul
Tully, General Secretary, Society for the Protection of Unborn
Children; Josephine Quintavalle, Comment on Reproductive Ethics;
Julia Millington, Political Director, Pro-Life Alliance; Professor
Neil Scolding, University of Bristol, on behalf of the APPG Pro-life
Group; Sarah Veale, Head, Equality and Employment Rights Department,
TUC.
Ordered, That the Joint Committee be adjourned to
Tuesday 3 July at 1 o'clock.
Tuesday 3 July 2007
Present:
Baroness Deech Mr David Burrowes MP
Baroness Hollis of Heigham Ms Katy Clark
MP
Lord Jenkin of Roding Dr Ian Gibson MP
Lord Mackay of Clashfern Robert Key MP
Baroness Neuberger Chris Mole MP
Lord Selsdon Dr Doug Naysmith MP
Geraldine Smith MP
Ms Dari Taylor MP
Phil Willis MP in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The proceedings of Tuesday 26 and Wednesday 27 June
are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, That the Joint Committee be adjourned to
Wednesday 4 July at 3 o'clock.
Wednesday 4 July 2007
Present:
Baroness Deech Mr David Burrowes MP
Lord Jenkin of Roding Dr Ian Gibson MP
Lord Mackay of Clashfern Robert Key MP
Baroness Neuberger Chris Mole MP
Lord Selsdon Dr Doug Naysmith MP
Lord Winston Geraldine Smith MP
Ms Dari Taylor MP
Phil Willis MP in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, That the Joint Committee be adjourned to
Tuesday 17 July at 1 o'clock.
Tuesday 17 July 2007
Present:
Baroness Deech Mr David Burrowes MP
Baroness Hollis of Heigham Ms Katy Clark
MP
Lord Jenkin of Roding Dr Ian Gibson MP
Lord Mackay of Clashfern Robert Key MP
Baroness Neuberger Chris Mole MP
Lord Selsdon Dr Doug Naysmith MP
Ms Dari Taylor MP
Phil Willis MP in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The proceedings of Tuesday 3 and Wednesday 4 July
are read.
Ordered, That Memoranda numbers HTEV05(b), 06, 09,
09(a), 11(a), 12(a), 19, 36, 38, 41-115 and 84(a) submitted to
the Joint Committee be reported to the House of Commons for publication
on the internet.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, That the Joint Committee be adjourned to
Wednesday 18 July at 3 o'clock.
Wednesday 18 July 2007
Present:
Baroness Deech Mr David Burrowes MP
Baroness Hollis of Heigham Dr Ian Gibson
MP
Lord Jenkin of Roding Robert Key MP
Lord Mackay of Clashfern Chris Mole MP
Baroness Neuberger Dr Doug Naysmith MP
Bishop of St Albans Geraldine Smith MP
Lord Selsdon Ms Dari Taylor MP
Lord Winston
Phil Willis MP in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, That the Joint Committee be adjourned to
Tuesday 24 July at 1 o'clock.
Tuesday 24 July 2007
Present:
Baroness Deech Dr Ian Gibson MP
Baroness Hollis of Heigham Robert Key MP
Lord Mackay of Clashfern Chris Mole MP
Baroness Neuberger Dr Doug Naysmith MP
Bishop of St Albans
Lord Winston
Phil Willis MP in the Chair
The Order of Adjournment is read.
The proceedings of Tuesday 17 and Wednesday 18 July
are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
A draft Report is proposed by the Chairman.
It is moved that the draft Report before the Committee
be read.
The same is agreed to.
Paragraphs 1 to 292 are agreed to, with amendments.
The Abstract is agreed to.
The Committee agreed that the summary of recommendations
appear at the end of the report.
The Appendices to the Report are agreed to.
The Committee agreed that the draft Report, as amended,
be the report of the Joint Committee.
Ordered, That certain
papers be appended to the Minutes of Evidence.
Ordered, that the provisions
of Standing Order 134 (Select Committee Reports) of the House
of Commons apply to the report.
Ordered, That the Chairman
make the report to the House of Commons and Lord Mackay of Clashfern
make the report to the House of Lords.
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