Appendix 8: Formal Minutes
Extract from the House of Lords Minutes of Proceedings
of 7 June 2011
Draft House of Lords Reform Bill—Lord
Strathclyde moved that it is expedient that a Joint Committee
of Lords and Commons be appointed to consider and report on the
draft House of Lords Reform Bill presented to both Houses on 17
May (Cm 8077), and that the committee should report on the draft
Bill by 29 February 2012.
Extract from the Votes and Proceedings of the
House of Commons of 23 June 2011
Draft House of Lords Reform Bill (Joint Committee)—Motion
made, and Question put, That this House concurs with the Lords
Message of 7 June, that it is expedient that a Joint Committee
of Lords and Commons be appointed to consider the draft House
of Lords Reform Bill presented to both Houses on 17 May (Cm 8077).
That a Select Committee of thirteen Members be appointed
to join with the Committee appointed by the Lords to consider
the draft House of Lords Reform Bill (Cm 8077).
That the Committee should report on the draft Bill
by 29 February 2012.
That the Committee shall have power—
(i) to send for persons, papers and records;
(ii) to sit notwithstanding any adjournment of the
House;
(iii) to report from time to time;
(iv) to appoint specialist advisers;
(v) to adjourn from place to place within the United
Kingdom.
That Gavin Barwell, Mr Tom Clarke, Ann Coffey, Bill
Esterson, Oliver Heald, Tristram Hunt, Mrs Eleanor Laing, Dr William
McCrea, Dr Daniel Poulter, Laura Sandys, John Stevenson, John
Thurso and Malcolm Wicks be members of the Committee.—(Bill
Wiggin.)
The House divided:
Ayes 140, Noes 7.
Extract from the House of Lords Minutes of Proceedings
of 6 July 2011
Draft House of Lords Reform Bill—The
Chairman of Committees moved that the Commons message of 23 June
be considered and that a Committee of thirteen Lords be appointed
to join with the Committee appointed by the Commons to consider
and report on the draft House of Lords Reform Bill presented to
both Houses on 17 May (Cm 8077) and that the Committee should
report on the draft Bill by 29 February 2012;
That, as proposed by the Committee of Selection,
the following members be appointed to the Committee:
B Andrews
L Hennessy of Nympsfield
L Bishop of Leicester
L Norton of Louth
L Richard
L Rooker
B Scott of Needham Market
| | B Shephard of Northwold
B Symons of Vernham Dean
L Trefgarne
L Trimble
L Tyler
B Young of Hornsey
|
That the Committee have power to agree with the Committee appointed
by the Commons in the appointment of a Chairman;
That the Committee have power to send for persons,
papers and records;
That the Committee have power to appoint specialist
advisers;
That the Committee have leave to report from time
to time;
That the Committee have power to adjourn from place
to place within the United Kingdom;
That the reports of the Committee from time to time
shall be printed, regardless of any adjournment of the House;
and
That the evidence taken by the Committee shall, if
the Committee so wishes, be published.
The motion was agreed to and a message was sent to
the Commons.
Extract from the House of Lords Minutes of Proceedings of 20
December 2011
Draft House of Lords Reform Bill—Lord
Strathclyde moved that, notwithstanding the Resolution of this
House of 6 July, it be an instruction to the Joint Committee on
the Draft House of Lords Reform Bill that it should report on
the draft Bill by 27 March 2012. The motion was agreed to.
Extract from the Votes and Proceedings of the
House of Commons of 12 January 2012
Draft House of Lords Reform Bill (Joint Committee)—Resolved,
That this House concurs with the Lords Message of 20 December
and that, notwithstanding the Resolution of this House of 23 June,
it be an instruction to the Joint Committee on the Draft House
of Lords Reform Bill that it should report on the draft Bill by
27 March 2012.—(Jeremy Wright.)
Monday 11 July 2011
Present:
| Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Richard
Lord Rooker
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Tristram Hunt MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
Dr William McCrea MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Laura Sandys MP
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
Malcolm Wicks MP
|
Members' interests: The full lists of Members' interests as recorded
in the Commons Register of Members' Financial Interests and the
Lords Register of Interests are noted.
Declared interests are appended to the report.
It is moved that Lord Richard do take the Chair.—(Mr
Tom Clarke MP)
The same is agreed to.
The Orders of Reference are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The Call for Evidence is agreed to.
Ordered, That the Joint
Committee be adjourned to Monday 12 September at 5.00 p.m.
Monday 12 September 2011
Present:
| Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Gavin Barwell MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Laura Sandys MP
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
Malcolm Wicks MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 11 July are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, That the Joint
Committee be adjourned to Monday 10 October at 5.00 p.m.
Monday 10 October 2011
Present:
|
Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Tristram Hunt MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
Dr William McCrea MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Laura Sandys MP
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 12 September are read.
The following witness is examined:
Mr Mark Harper MP, Minister for Political and Constitutional
Reform.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, that the following
written evidence received by the Committee be published on the
Committee's website:
Jonathan Boot
Professor Vernon Bogdanor
Roger S Fitzpatrick
Christopher Hartigan
John F H Smith
Michael Keatinge
Simon Gazeley
Lord Lucas
Alice Onwordi
Lord Lipsey
Craig Whittaker MP
James Hand
Lord Jenkin of Roding
Professors Simon Hix and Iain McLean
Ken Batty
Lord Wright of Richmond
Sir Stuart Bell MP
Law Society of Scotland
Lord Foulkes of Cumnock
Jim Riley
Lord Goodhart QC
Mark Ryan
Professor Sir John Baker QC,
Professor Hugh Bochel, Dr Andrew Defty and Jane Kirkpatrick
Ordered,
That the Joint Committee be adjourned to Monday 17 October at
5.00 p.m.
Monday 17 October 2011
Present:
| Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Shepherd of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
| Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Laura Sandys MP
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 10 October are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The following witness is re-examined:
Mr Mark Harper MP, Minister for Political and Constitutional
Reform.
Ordered, That the Joint
Committee be adjourned to Monday 24 October at 5.00 p.m.
Monday 24 October 2011
Present:
| Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Tristram Hunt MP
Eleanor Laing MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Laura Sandys MP
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
Malcolm Wicks MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 17 October are read.
The following witnesses are examined:
Professor Vernon Bogdanor, King's College London;
Rt Hon Peter Riddell, Institute for Government;
Professor Dawn Oliver, Master Treasurer of the Middle
Temple.
Ordered, that the following
written evidence received by the Committee be published on the
Committee's website:
British Humanist Association
Liam Finn
Dr Colin Tyler
Lord Judd
Rt Revd Bishop of Worcester
R C Dales
Programme for Public Participation in Parliament
(PPPP)
Dr Stephen Watkins
Dr Helena McKeown
Green Party
Dr Alan Renwick
Mr Bernard Jenkin MP
Fawcett Society
Ralph Hindle
Counting Women In
Pauline Latham OBE MP
Andrew George MP
Zoroastrian Trust Funds of Europe
Penny Mordaunt MP
Imran Hayat
Nadhim Zahawi MP
Democratic Audit
Dr Julian Lewis MP
Donald Shell
All Party Parliamentary Humanist Group
Rt Hon Peter Riddell
Unlock Democracy
Ordered,
That the Joint Committee be adjourned to Monday 31 October at
4.30 p.m.
Monday 31 October 2011
Present:
| Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Gavin Barwell MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Mr Tristram Hunt MP
Dr William McCrea MP
Laura Sandys MP
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 24 October are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The following witnesses are examined:
Dr Meg Russell, Constitution Unit, University College
London;
Dr Alan Renwick, Reading University;
Professor Sir John Baker QC, Cambridge University,
and David Howarth, Cambridge University.
Ordered, that the following
written evidence received by the Committee be published on the
Committee's website:
Richard Douglas
Muslim Council of Britain
Professor Gavin Phillipson
Electoral Reform Society
John Wainwright
Lord Howarth of Newport
Dr Meg Russell
Joseph Corina
Dr Martin Wright
North Yorkshire for Democracy
Lord Grocott
Ordered,
That the Joint Committee be adjourned to Monday 7 November at
4.30 p.m.
Monday 7 November 2011
Present:
| Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
| Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Mr Tristram Hunt MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
Mr Daniel Poulter MP
Laura Sandys MP
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 31 October are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The following witness is re-examined:
Mark Harper MP, Minister for Political and Constitutional
Reform.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, that the following
written evidence received by the Committee be published on the
Committee's website:
Chief Rabbi, Lord Sacks
David White
Damien Welfare and the Campaign for a Democratic
Upper House
The Viscount Younger of Leckie
Earl of Sandwich
Lord Rowe-Beddoe
Lord Bilston on behalf of an ad-hoc Group of Labour
Peers
Lord Cormack on behalf of the Campaign for an Effective
Second Chamber
Lord Grenfell
Archbishop of Canterbury and Archbishop of York
Ordered,
That the Joint Committee be adjourned to Monday 14 November at
4.30 p.m.
Monday 14 November 2011
Present:
|
Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
Lord Norton of Louth
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Mr Tristram Hunt MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
Dr William McCrea MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Laura Sandys MP
John Stevenson MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 7 November are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The following witnesses are examined:
Ms Katie Ghose, Electoral Reform Society;
Professor John Curtice, University of Strathclyde,
and Professor David Denver, Lancaster University.
Ordered, That the Joint
Committee be adjourned to Monday 21 November at 4.30 p.m.
Monday 21 November 2011
Present:
|
Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
Lord Norton of Louth
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Lord Rooker
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Laura Sandys MP
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 14 November are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The following witnesses are examined:
Mr Peter Facey, and Ms Alexandra Runswick, Unlock
Democracy;
Lord Jay of Ewelme, and Mr Richard Jarvis, House
of Lords Appointments Commission.
Ordered, that the following
written evidence received by the Committee be published on the
Committee's website:
Lord Low of Dalston CBE
Correspondence between the Chairman and the Attorney
General on the applicability of the Parliament Acts
Ordered,
That the Joint Committee be adjourned to tomorrow at 9.00 a.m.
Tuesday 22 November 2011
Present:
|
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
| Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
John Stevenson MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 21 November are read.
The following witnesses are examined by video-link:
Senator Lee Rhiannon (Senator for New South Wales,
Australian Greens), Senator the Hon Michael Ronaldson (Senator
for Victoria, Liberal Party), and Senator the Hon Ursula Stephens
(Senator for New South Wales, Labor Party)
Ordered,
That the Joint Committee be adjourned to Monday 28 November at
4.30 p.m.
Monday 28 November 2011
Present:
|
Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
John Stevenson MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 22 November are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The following witnesses are examined:
Most Rev and Rt Hon Rowan Williams, Archbishop of
Canterbury;
Andrew Copson, Chief Executive, British Humanist
Association, and Elizabeth Hunter, Director, Theos.
Ordered, that the following
written evidence received by the Committee be published on the
Committee's website:
Jesse Norman MP
Martin Limon
Theos
National Secular Society
Ordered,
That the Joint Committee be adjourned to Monday 5 December at
4.30 p.m.
Monday 5 December 2011
Present:
|
Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Tristram Hunt MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
John Stevenson MP
Malcolm Wicks MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 28 November are read.
The following witnesses are examined:
Lord Adonis and Lord Carter of Barnes
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, that the following
written evidence received by the Committee be published on the
Committee's website:
Rt Hon Lord Higgins
Michael Winter
Christine Windbridge
David Le Grice
John Wood
Lord Luce
Electoral Commission
Norman Payne
David Choi
The Venerable Seelawimala, Head Monk, London Buddhist
Vihara
Ordered,
That the Joint Committee be adjourned to Monday 12 December at
4.30 p.m.
Monday 12 December 2011
Present:
|
Baroness Andrews
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Tristram Hunt MP
John Stevenson MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 5 December are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
The following witnesses are examined:
Professor Sir Ian Kennedy, Chair, and Dr Andrew McDonald,
Chief Executive, Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority;
Sir Christopher Kelly, Chair, and Mr Peter Hawthorne,
Assistant Secretary, Committee on Standards in Public Life.
Ordered, that the following
written evidence received by the Committee be published on the
Committee's website:
Lord Desai
Professor Jonathan Tonge
Hansard Society
Ordered,
That the Joint Committee be adjourned to Monday 19 December at
4.30 p.m.
Monday 19 December 2011
Present:
| Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Laura Sandys MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 12 December are read.
The following witnesses are examined:
Dr Alan Renwick and Professor Iain McLean.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, that the following
written evidence received by the Committee be published on the
Committee's website:
Lord Sudeley
Professor Andrew Le Sueur
Lord Peston, Rt Hon Lord Barnett and Baroness Gould
of Potternewton
Lord Cobbold
Ordered,
That the Joint Committee be adjourned to Thursday 12 January 2012
at 10.00 a.m.
Thursday 12 January 2012
Present:
|
Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Oliver Heald MP
Tristram Hunt MP
Laura Sandys MP
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
Malcolm Wicks MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 19 December 2011 are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, that the following
written evidence received by the Committee be published on the
Committee's website:
Mr Harry Lees
Philip Bradshaw
James H Davies
Rt Hon Lord Maclennan of Rogart
Ordered,
That the Joint Committee be adjourned to Monday 16 January at
4.30 p.m.
Monday 16 January 2012
Present:
|
Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Laura Sandys MP
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 12 January are read.
The following witnesses are examined:
Mr Damien Welfare and Mr Daniel Zeichner, Campaign
for a Democratic Upper House;
Lord Cormack and Rt Hon Paul Murphy MP, Campaign
for an Effective Second Chamber;
Baroness Hayman.
Ordered, that the following
written evidence received by the Committee be published on the
Committee's website:
St Philips Centre
Unlock Democracy
Ordered,
That the Joint Committee be adjourned to Thursday 19 January at
11.00 a.m.
Thursday 19 January 2012
Present:
|
Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Laura Sandys MP
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
Malcolm Wicks MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 16 January are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, That the Joint
Committee be adjourned to Monday 23 January at 4.30 p.m.
Monday 23 January 2012
Present:
|
Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Tristram Hunt MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
John Thurso MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 19 January are read.
The following witnesses are examined:
Mr David Beamish, Clerk of the Parliaments;
Mr Graham Allen MP, Chair, Political and Constitutional
Reform Committee;
Mr Robert Rogers, Clerk of the House, and Ms Jacqy
Sharpe, Clerk of Legislation, House of Commons.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, that the following
written evidence received by the Committee be published on the
Committee's website:
Lord Dubs
Professor Robert Hazell and Joshua Payne
Ordered,
That the Joint Committee be adjourned to Monday 30 January at
4.30 p.m.
Monday 30 January 2012
Present:
|
Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
Dr William McCrea MP
Laura Sandys MP
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
Malcolm Wicks MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 23 January are read.
The following witnesses are examined:
Lord Pannick;
Lord Cunningham of Felling;
Lord Grocott and Rt Hon David Blunkett MP.
Ordered, that the following
written evidence received by the Committee be published on the
Committee's website:
Dr Alex Reid
Ordered, That the Joint
Committee be adjourned to Wednesday 1 February at 10.30 a.m.
Wednesday 1 February 2012
Present:
|
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Rooker
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
| Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
John Stevenson MP
Malcolm Wicks MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 30 January are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, That the Joint
Committee be adjourned to Monday 6 February at 4.30 p.m.
Monday 6 February 2012
Present:
|
Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Rooker
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Tristram Hunt MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Laura Sandys MP
John Stevenson MP
Malcolm Wicks MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 1 February are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, That the Joint
Committee be adjourned to Monday 27 February at 4.30 p.m.
Monday 27 February 2012
Present:
|
Baroness Andrews
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
| Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Tristram Hunt MP
Dr William McCrea MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Laura Sandys MP
John Stevenson MP
Malcolm Wicks MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 6 February are read.
The following witnesses are examined:
Rt Hon Nick Clegg MP, Deputy Prime Minister, and
Mr Mark Harper MP, Minister for Political and Constitutional Reform.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, that the following
written evidence received by the Committee be published on the
Committee's website:
Lord Goldsmith QC
Lord Pannick
Federation of Muslim Organisations
Conor Burns MP
Matthew Allen
National Assembly for Wales
Northern Ireland Assembly
Thomas Docherty MP
Simona Knox
Rt Hon Mr Frank Field MP and Lord Armstrong of Ilminster
Professor Austin
Gavin Oldham
Ordered,
That the Joint Committee be adjourned to Monday 5 March at 4.30
p.m.
Monday 5 March 2012
Present:
|
Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Tristram Hunt MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Laura Sandys MP
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
Malcolm Wicks MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 27 February are read.
A draft Report is presented by the Chairman.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, that the following
written evidence received by the Committee be published on the
Committee's website:
James Moore
Ordered, That the Joint
Committee be adjourned to Wednesday 7 March at 10.00 a.m.
Wednesday 7 March 2012
Present:
| Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
| Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
John Thurso MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 5 March are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, That the Joint
Committee be adjourned to Monday 12 March at 4.30 p.m.
Monday 12 March 2012
Present:
|
Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Tristram Hunt MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
Laura Sandys MP
John Stevenson MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 7 March are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, That the Joint
Committee be adjourned to Wednesday 14 March at 9.30 a.m.
Wednesday 14 March 2012
Present:
|
Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
| Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
Dr William McCrea MP
Laura Sandys MP
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 12 March are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, That the Joint
Committee be adjourned to Monday 19 March at 4.30 p.m.
Monday 19 March 2012
Present:
| Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Richard (Chairman)
Lord Rooker
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Tristram Hunt MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Laura Sandys MP
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
Malcolm Wicks MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 14 March are read.
A revised draft Report is presented by the Chairman.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, That the Chairman's
draft Report be considered.
Paragraphs 1 to 4 are agreed to.
Paragraph 5 is agreed to, with amendments.
Paragraphs 6 to 12 are agreed to.
Paragraphs 13 to 21 (now paragraphs 14 to 22) are
postponed.
Paragraph 22 (now paragraph 23) is amended.
It is moved by Gavin Barwell in paragraph 22 (now
paragraph 23) to leave out "The Committee on a majority either
agrees that the reformed second chamber of legislature should
be elected [or] on a majority does not agree that the reformed
second chamber of legislature has to be elected" and insert
"agrees that the reformed second chamber of legislature should
have an electoral mandate".
The Committee divides.
| Content, 13
Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Tristram Hunt MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Lord Richard
Laura Sandys MP
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Not content, 9
Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
|
The amendment is agreed to accordingly.
Further consideration of paragraph 22 (now paragraph
23) is postponed.
Postponed paragraphs 13 to 15 (now paragraphs 14
to 16) are agreed to.
Postponed paragraphs 16 and 17 (now paragraphs 17
and 18) are agreed to, with amendments.
Postponed paragraph 18 (now paragraph 19) is agreed
to.
Postponed paragraph 19 (now paragraph 20) is agreed
to, with amendments.
Postponed paragraph 20 (now paragraph 21) is agreed
to.
Postponed paragraph 21 (now paragraph 22) is agreed
to, with amendments.
Postponed paragraph 22 (now paragraph 23) is agreed
to, with amendments.
Paragraphs 23 and 24 (now paragraphs 24 and 25) are
agreed to.
Paragraph 25 (now paragraph 26) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraph 26 (now paragraph 27) is agreed to.
Paragraphs 27 and 28 (now paragraphs 28 and 29) are
agreed to, with amendments.
Paragraph 29 (now paragraph 30) is agreed to.
Paragraphs 30 to 32 (now paragraphs 31 to 33) are
agreed to.
Paragraph 33 (now paragraph 34) is agreed to, with
amendments.
It is moved by Lord Rooker in paragraph 34 to leave
out "would enhance" and insert "would not enhance".
The Committee divides.
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Content, 12
Baroness Andrews
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Oliver Heald MP
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
Tristram Hunt MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trimble
| Not content, 11
Gavin Barwell MP
Ann Coffey MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Lord Richard
Laura Sandys MP
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
|
The amendment is agreed to accordingly.
Paragraph 34 is divided (now paragraphs 35 and 36)
and agreed to, with further amendments.
Paragraphs 35 to 62 (now paragraphs 37 to 65) are
postponed.
It is moved by Baroness Andrews in paragraph 63 (now
paragraph 67) to leave out "A majority, while acknowledging
that the balance of power would shift, consider that the remaining
pillars on which Commons primacy rests would suffice to ensure
its continuation".
The Committee divides.
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Content, 10
Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
| Not content, 12
Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Lord Richard
Laura Sandys MP
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
Lord Tyler
Malcolm Wicks MP
Baroness Young of Hornsey
|
The amendment is disagreed to accordingly.
It is moved by Lord Norton of Louth to leave out
paragraph 63 (now paragraph 67) and insert a new paragraph —
"We received no clear evidence and reached no
conclusion as to the limits of primacy. The Commons will continue
to be the chamber through which the Government is elected and
enjoy privilege in respect of finance. (We consider later the
matter of the Parliament Acts.) Beyond that, it is difficult to
reach conclusions as to the extent to which the Commons will be
able to assert itself over an elected or largely elected second
chamber. Even if the Parliament Acts remain in force, they are
blunt weapons for determining outcomes and the regular use of
their provisions would have the potential to create tension within
our constitutional arrangements. The Draft Bill provides for no
new arrangements for resolving disputes between the two chambers.
We have not addressed how such disputes should be resolved. We
consider that this will need to be addressed by Government before
a Bill is introduced."
The Committee divides.
| Content, 11
Baroness Andrews
Oliver Heald MP
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
| Not content, 12
Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Lord Richard
Laura Sandys MP
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
Lord Tyler
Malcolm Wicks MP
Baroness Young of Hornsey
|
The amendment is disagreed to accordingly.
Paragraph 63 (now paragraph 67) is agreed to.
Postponed paragraphs 35 to 38 (now paragraphs 37
to 40) are agreed to.
Postponed paragraphs 39 to 41 (now paragraphs 41
to 43) are agreed to, with amendments.
Postponed paragraph 42 (now paragraph 44) is agreed
to.
It is moved by Lord Rooker in postponed paragraph
43 (now paragraph 45) at the end to insert "This lack of
transparency has hampered Parliamentary scrutiny of the draft
Bill".
The Committee divides.
| Content, 18
Baroness Andrews
Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Ton Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
Tristram Hunt MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Richard
Lord Rooker
Laura Sandys
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
John Thurso MP
Lord Trimble
Malcolm Wicks MP
| Not content, 5
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
John Stevenson MP
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
|
The amendment is agreed to accordingly.
Postponed paragraph 43 (now paragraph 45) is agreed
to, with amendments.
Postponed paragraphs 44 to 47 (now paragraphs 46
to 49) are agreed to.
Postponed paragraph 48 (now paragraph 50) is agreed
to, with amendments.
Postponed paragraphs 49 to 53 (now paragraphs 51
to 55) are agreed to.
Postponed paragraph 54 (now paragraph 56) is agreed
to, with amendments.
Postponed paragraphs 55 and 56 (now paragraphs 57
and 58) are agreed to.
A new paragraph (now paragraph 59) is inserted.
Postponed paragraph 57 (now paragraph 60) is agreed
to, with amendments.
Postponed paragraph 58 (now paragraph 61) is agreed
to.
Postponed paragraphs 59 and 60 (now paragraphs 62
and 63) are agreed to, with amendments.
Postponed paragraph 61 (now paragraph 64) is agreed
to.
A new paragraph (now paragraph 65) is inserted.
Postponed paragraph 62 (now paragraph 66) is agreed
to, with amendments.
Paragraph 64 (now paragraph 68) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraphs 65 to 68 (now paragraphs 69 to 72) are
agreed to.
A new paragraph (now paragraph 73) is inserted.
Paragraph 69 (now paragraph 74) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraphs 70 to 88 (now paragraphs (75 to 93) are
postponed.
Paragraph 89 (now paragraph 94) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Postponed paragraph 86 (now paragraph 91) is agreed
to.
Postponed paragraphs 87 and 88 (now paragraphs 92
and 93) are agreed to, with amendments.
Postponed paragraphs 70 to 85 (now paragraphs 75
to 90) are agreed to.
Ordered, That the Joint
Committee be adjourned to Wednesday 21 March at 9.30 a.m.
Wednesday 21 March 2012
[morning]
Present:
| Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Tristram Hunt MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
Laura Sandys MP
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
Malcolm Wicks MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 19 March are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, That the Chairman's
draft Report be further considered.
Paragraphs 90 to 100 (now paragraphs 95 to 105) are
postponed.
Paragraph 101 (now paragraph 106) is agreed to, with
amendments.
It is moved by the Chairman that paragraph 102 (now
paragraph 107) be agreed to.
The Committee divides.
| Content, 16
Gavin Barwell MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
Tristram Hunt MP
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Lord Richard
Laura Sandys MP
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Tyler
Malcolm Wicks MP
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Not content, 6
Baroness Andrews
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
Lord Norton of Louth
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trimble
|
The paragraph is agreed to accordingly.
Paragraph 103 is disagreed to.
Postponed paragraphs 90 to 100 (now paragraphs 95
to 105) are agreed to.
Paragraphs 104 to 109 (now paragraphs 108 to 113)
are postponed.
Paragraph 110 (now paragraph 114) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Postponed paragraphs 104 to 109 (now paragraphs 108
to 113) are agreed to.
Paragraphs 111 to 118 (now paragraphs 115 to 122)
are postponed.
A new paragraph (now paragraph 123) is inserted.
Paragraph 119 (now paragraph 124) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Postponed paragraphs 111 to 115 (now paragraphs 115
to 119) are agreed to.
Postponed paragraph 116 (now paragraph 120) is agreed
to, with amendments.
Postponed paragraphs 117 and 118 (now paragraphs
121 and 122) are agreed to.
Paragraph 120 (now paragraph 125) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraphs 121 to 128 (now paragraphs 126 to 133)
are agreed to.
Paragraph 129 (now paragraph 134) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraphs 130 to 137 (now paragraphs 135 to 142)
are agreed to.
Paragraph 138 (now paragraph 143) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraphs 139 and 140 (now paragraphs 144 and 145)
are agreed to.
Paragraph 141 (now paragraph 146) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraphs 142 to 147 (now paragraphs 147 to 152)
are agreed to.
Paragraphs 148 and 149 (now paragraphs 153 and 154)
are agreed to, with amendments.
Paragraphs 150 and 151 (now paragraphs 155 and 156)
are agreed to
Paragraph 152 (now paragraph 157) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraph 153 (now paragraph 158) is agreed to.
Paragraph 154 (now paragraph 159) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraphs 155 to 158 (now paragraphs 160 to 163)
are agreed to.
Paragraphs 159 and 160 (now paragraphs 164 and 165)
are agreed to, with amendments.
Paragraph 161 (now paragraph 166) is agreed to.
It is moved by the Chairman in paragraph 162 (now
paragraph 167) to leave out "disagree with the Government's
proposal and recommend instead the possibility of re-election
for future term be available".
The Committee divides.
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Content, 12
Gavin Barwell MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Lord Richard
Laura Sandys MP
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
Lord Tyler
Malcolm Wicks MP
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Not content, 10
Baroness Andrews
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
|
The amendment is agreed to accordingly.
Paragraph 162 (now paragraph 167), as amended, is
agreed to.
Paragraphs 163 to 165 (now paragraphs 168 to 170)
are agreed to.
Paragraph 166 (now paragraph 171) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraph 167 (now paragraph 172) is agreed to.
It is moved by the Chairman to replace paragraph
168 with "A majority of the Committee considers on balance
that a 15-year term is to be preferred".
The Committee divides.
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Content, 20
Baroness Andrews
Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Lord Richard
Laura Sandys MP
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
John Stevenson MP
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
John Thurso MP
Lord Tyler
Malcolm Wicks MP
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Not content, 2
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
|
Paragraph 168 is disagreed to and the new paragraph (now paragraph
173) is inserted accordingly.
Paragraphs 169 to 175 (now paragraphs 174 to 180)
are agreed to.
Paragraph 176 (now paragraph 181) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraphs 177 to 184 (now paragraphs 182 to 189)
are agreed to.
Paragraph 185 (now paragraph 190) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraphs 186 to 191 (now paragraphs 191 to 196)
are agreed to.
Paragraphs 192 and 193 (now paragraphs 197 and 198)
are agreed to, with amendments.
Paragraphs 194 to 200 (now paragraphs 199 to 205)
are agreed to.
Paragraph 201 (now paragraph 206) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraph 202 is disagreed to.
A new paragraph (now paragraph 207) is inserted.
Ordered, That the Joint
Committee be adjourned to this day at 5.00 p.m.
Wednesday 21 March 2012
[afternoon]
Present:
| Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
Laura Sandys MP
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
Malcolm Wicks MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 21 March (morning) are read.
Ordered, That the Chairman's
draft Report be further considered.
Paragraph 203 (now paragraph 208) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraphs 204 to 216 (now paragraphs 209 to 221)
are agreed to.
It is moved by Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean in
paragraph 217 (now paragraph 222) to leave out "The Committee
believes" and insert "Some members of the Committee
believe".
The Committee divides.
| Content, 11
Baroness Andrews
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Rooker
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
| Not content, 11
Gavin Barwell MP
Ann Coffey MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Lord Richard
Laura Sandys MP
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
Lord Tyler
Malcolm Wicks MP
Baroness Young of Hornsey
|
The numbers are equal, so the amendment is disagreed to in accordance
with Lords Standing Order 56.
Paragraph 217 (now paragraph 222) is agreed to, with
amendments.
It is moved by Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean in
paragraph 218 (now paragraph 223) to leave out "Accordingly,
we recommend that IPSA should make no provision for members of
the reformed House to deal with personal casework, as opposed
to policy work.".
The Committee divides.
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Content, 8
Baroness Andrews
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Trimble
| Not content, 13
Gavin Barwell MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Lord Richard
Laura Sandys MP
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
Lord Tyler
Malcolm Wicks MP
Baroness Young of Hornsey
|
The amendment is disagreed to accordingly.
Paragraph 218 (now paragraph 223) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraphs 219 to 237 (now paragraphs 224 to 242)
are agreed to.
Paragraph 238 (now paragraph 243) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraphs 239 to 243 (now paragraphs 244 to 248)
are agreed to.
Paragraph 244 (now paragraph 249) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraphs 245 to 249 (now paragraphs 250 to 254)
are agreed to.
Paragraph 250 (now paragraph 255) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraphs 251 to 258 (now paragraphs 256 to 263)
are agreed to.
Paragraph 259 (now paragraph 264) is postponed.
Paragraphs 260 and 261 (now paragraphs 265 and 266)
are agreed to.
It is moved by John Stevenson MP in paragraph 262
(now paragraph 267) at the end to add "We believe that these
members should have the right to sit, but not to vote, in a reformed
House".
The Committee divides.
| Content, 11
Gavin Barwell MP
Ann Coffey MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Lord Rooker
Laura Sandys MP
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
John Stevenson MP
Lord Trimble
Lord Tyler
Malcolm Wicks MP
| Not content, 10
Baroness Andrews
Oliver Heald MP
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Richard
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
John Thurso
Lord Trefgarne
|
The amendment is agreed to accordingly.
Paragraph 262 (now paragraph 267), as amended, is
agreed to.
Postponed paragraph 259 (now paragraph 264) is agreed
to, with amendments.
Paragraph 263 (now paragraph 268) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraphs 264 and 265 (now paragraphs 269 and 270)
are agreed to.
Ordered, That the Joint
Committee be adjourned to Monday 26 March at 4.30 p.m.
Monday 26 March 2012
Present:
| Baroness Andrews
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
| Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Tristram Hunt MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
Laura Sandys MP
John Stevenson MP
John Thurso MP
Malcolm Wicks MP
|
Lord Richard (in the Chair)
The proceedings of 21 March (afternoon) are read.
The Joint Committee deliberate.
Ordered, That the Chairman's
draft Report be further considered.
Paragraphs 266 to 279 (now paragraphs 271 to 284)
are agreed to.
Paragraph 280 (now paragraph 285) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraphs 281 to 283 (now paragraphs 286 to 288)
are agreed to.
It is moved by the Chairman, in paragraph 284 (now
paragraph 289), to leave out "bishops should no longer have
ex officio seats in the reformed House of Lords."
The Committee divides.
| Content, 13
Baroness Andrews
Gavin Barwell MP
Oliver Heald MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
Tristram Hunt MP
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Richard
Laura Sandys MP
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Lord Trefgarne
| Not content, 7
Ann Coffey MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
John Stevenson MP
Lord Tyler
Malcolm Wicks MP
Baroness Young of Hornsey
|
The amendment is agreed to accordingly.
Paragraph 284 (now paragraph 289) is agreed to, with
amendments.
It is moved by Baroness Andrews, in paragraph 285
(now paragraph 290), to leave out "that the number of reserved
seats ought to be reduced to seven".
The Committee divides.
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Content, 13
Baroness Andrews
Gavin Barwell MP
Tom Clarke MP
Oliver Heald MP
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
Tristram Hunt MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Laura Sandys MP
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
Lord Trefgarne
| Not content, 5
Ann Coffey MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Lord Richard
Lord Tyler
Baroness Young of Hornsey
|
The amendment is agreed to accordingly.
Paragraph 285 (now paragraph 290) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraph 286 (now paragraph 291) is agreed to, with
amendments..
Paragraphs 287 to 307 (now paragraphs 292 to 312)
are agreed to.
Paragraph 308 (now paragraph 313) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraph 309 (now paragraph 314) is agreed to.
Paragraph 310 (now paragraph 315) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraph 311 (now paragraph 316) is agreed to.
Paragraphs 312 and 313 (now paragraphs 317 and 318)
is agreed to, with amendments.
Paragraph 314 (now paragraph 319) is agreed to.
Paragraph 315 is disagreed to.
Paragraphs 316 to 319 (now paragraphs 320 to 323)
are agreed to.
Paragraph 320 (now paragraph 324) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraphs 321 and 322 (now paragraphs 325 and 326)
are agreed to.
Paragraphs 323 and 324 (now paragraphs 327 and 328)
are agreed to, with amendments.
Paragraphs 325 and 326 (now paragraphs 329 and 330)
are agreed to.
Paragraph 327 is disagreed to.
A new paragraph (now paragraph 331) is inserted.
Paragraphs 328 to 331 (now paragraphs 332 to 335)
are agreed to.
Paragraph 332 (now paragraph 336) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraphs 333 to 353 (now paragraphs 337 to 357)
are agreed to.
It is moved by Lord Trefgarne, after paragraph 353,
to insert the following paragraph:
"Consideration will also need to be given to
the undertaking given to hereditary peers in 1999, namely that
their excepted colleagues would remain until "House of Lords
reform is complete". They may say that this means the end
of the transitional period."
The motion and paragraph are, by leave, withdrawn.
A new paragraph (now paragraph 358) is inserted.
Paragraphs 354 and 355 (now paragraphs 359 and 360)
are agreed to, with amendments.
Paragraphs 356 to 361 (now paragraphs 361 to 366)
are agreed to.
It is moved by Mrs Eleanor Laing MP, in paragraph
362 (now paragraph 367), to leave out "We leave the evidence
of Lord Pannick and Lord Goldsmith to speak for itself".
The Committee divides.
| Content, 9
Baroness Andrews
Oliver Heald MP
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
| Not content, 12
Gavin Barwell MP
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Lord Richard
Laura Sandys MP
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
John Thurso
Lord Tyler
Malcolm Wicks MP
Baroness Young of Hornsey
|
The amendment is disagreed to accordingly.
Paragraph 362 (now paragraph 367) is agreed to.
Paragraph 363 (now paragraph 368) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Three new paragraphs (now paragraphs 369 to 371)
are inserted.
Paragraphs 364 to 369 (now paragraphs 372 to 377)
are agreed to.
Paragraph 370 (now paragraph 378) is agreed to, with
amendments.
Paragraphs 371 to 375 (now paragraphs 379 to 383)
are agreed to.
Paragraph 376 (now paragraph 384) postponed.
It is moved by Baroness Andrews, at the end, to add
a paragraph as follows: "The Committee recommends that, in
view of the significance of the constitutional change brought
forward by an elected House of Lords, the Government should submit
the decision to a referendum."
The Committee divides.
| Content, 13
Baroness Andrews
Mr Tom Clarke MP
Ann Coffey MP
Oliver Heald MP
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield
Tristram Hunt MP
Mrs Eleanor Laing MP
The Lord Bishop of Leicester
Lord Norton of Louth
Lord Richard
Baroness Shephard of Northwold
Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean
Lord Trefgarne
| Not content, 8
Gavin Barwell MP
Dr Daniel Poulter MP
Laura Sandys MP
Baroness Scott of Needham Market
John Thurso
Lord Tyler
Malcolm Wicks MP
Baroness Young of Hornsey
|
The paragraph (now paragraph 385) is added accordingly.
Postponed paragraph 376 (now paragraph 384) is agreed
to, with amendments.
A paragraph (now paragraph 13) is inserted.
It is ordered that the Report, as amended, be the
Report of the Joint Committee.
It is ordered that the letter of 8 March 2012 from
the Minister for Political and Constitutional Reform and the paper
on electoral systems by Dr Alan Renwick and Professor Iain McLean
be appended to the Report.
It is ordered that the Report be made by the Chairman
to the House of Lords and by Mr Tom Clarke to the House of Commons.
Ordered, That the Joint
Committee be adjourned.
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