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Lord McIntosh of Haringey moved Amendment No. 25:
On Question, amendment agreed to.
Lord Rodgers of Quarry Bank moved Amendment No. 26:
On Question, Whether the said amendment (No. 26) shall be agreed to?
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Beaumont of Whitley, L.
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Berkeley, L.
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Darcy (de Knayth), B.
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Resolved in the affirmative, and amendment agreed to accordingly.
The Earl of Courtown: My Lords, I beg to move that further consideration on Report be now adjourned. In moving the Motion, I suggest that the Report stage begins again at twenty-five minutes past eight o'clock.
Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.
7.24 p.m.
Brought from the Commons; read a first time, and to be printed.
United Nations Personnel Bill
Brought from the Commons; read a first time, and to be printed.
Pharmacists (Fitness to Practise) Bill
Brought from the Commons; read a first time, and to be printed.
Education (Special Educational Needs) Bill [H.L.]
7.25 p.m.
Lord Campbell of Alloway: My Lords, I beg to move that the Bill do now pass.
Moved, That the Bill do now pass.--(Lord Campbell of Alloway.)
The Lord Bishop of Lincoln: My Lords, perhaps I may express my support for the noble Lord's Bill. It seems that the intention is wholly worthy, but we need to be assured that pupils who, for various reasons, may have some form of disability are not disadvantaged in any way.
There are some children whose parents and guardians, no doubt for a variety of reasons, do not act on behalf of their children and ensure that they receive their full legal entitlement. There are no obvious problems about enabling those children who can understand the proceedings to represent themselves when parents or guardians do not do so. What we ought to be concerned with is the moral issue of entitlement; how we may enable children to receive what is legally and morally theirs.
Clearly, no one wishes to create a situation in which children are set against their parents or guardians. But, equally, it is important to acknowledge that children have an entitlement for their cause to be pursued. We need to recognise that children who do not necessarily have all the gifts of an active intellectual life can and do have real insights into life itself. They know when they are patronised, when they are not recognised or when they are summarily dismissed.
It is deeply important that the value of each child or pupil is recognised, whether it is at statementing or at a tribunal. We do not fight for them or on their behalf, but we do fight with them, ensuring that they learn and grow. Therefore, we need to ensure that the needs of such children are met, that we have sufficient trained teachers to teach them, and that we have a system which provides them with specialist help when they need it. We need their insight and we need to recognise and rejoice in their contribution and not prejudge it.
We may need also to provide more effective support so that parents feel confident in taking up issues on behalf of their children. Many parents fear tribunals and hearings, and if a special child then becomes a parent he will need help to take up the rights of his children. Many highly articulate and educated parents have trouble filling in forms and dealing with procedures. Perhaps I may make a plea that the Government consider how best to support parents of such children in order to ensure that they receive what is their due.
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