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Lord McIntosh of Haringey: My Lords, visitors will not be allowed to take their cars to the site. The only parking will be for coaches. The vast bulk of the visitors to the site will go by public transport, including the new Jubilee Line, park and ride facilities at all points of the compass and river transport.

Lord Marsh: My Lords, perhaps I did not express myself properly. I am simply asking for an estimate of the increased road traffic to be generated. The Government must have one.

Lord McIntosh of Haringey: My Lords, there will be no increased road traffic at the site other than coaches.

Lord Marsh: That is road traffic, my Lords.

Lord McIntosh of Haringey: My Lords, perhaps I may try to explain to the noble Lord. The total estimated number of people going on any day will be 30,000 to 40,000. The capacity planned for is 75,000. Even that is not individuals; and even if they were all in coaches, it is not a very large number.

Lord Dean of Beswick: My Lords, my noble friend at the Dispatch Box gave details of what the building costs will be. However, history shows us that prestige

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projects like this, while they start off with a bang and are initially financially successful, very often turn out to be financial albatrosses. If that turns out to be the case with this project, who will pick up the bill? Will it be the Government or the new London authority?

Lord McIntosh of Haringey: My Lords, there is no suggestion of the new London authority picking up any part of the bill. The project is cash limited. It is on time and it is within budget.

Earl Russell: My Lords, does the Minister agree that £758 million is a considerable sum of public money? Does he further agree that, if that money were instead devoted to capital investment in London Underground, first, he might get better value for money and, secondly, there would be a greater likelihood that the second half of his Answer about the availability of public transport might turn out to be true?

Lord McIntosh of Haringey: My Lords, I do not know what the noble Earl's definition of public money is. The only part of millennium experience money that is coming from the taxpayer is for the regeneration of the ground, which is being carried out by English Partnerships. The rest of it, as he knows, will come from the Lottery, private sponsorship and ticket sales and merchandising. As to the alternative of spending more money on public transport, the Jubilee Line, which is the principal component of the transport access to the dome, is indeed a permanent contribution to capital expenditure on transport in London.

Baroness Rawlings: My Lords, can the Minister tell the House how much money has so far been raised by IMG?

Lord McIntosh of Haringey: My Lords, it is a chicken and egg situation. A whole series of projects have been put forward to be contained in the dome other than the central experience, which is the responsibility of Sir Cameron Mackintosh. Eleven of the 22 proposals which came in are being worked up. Until that has been completed and they can be made public it is difficult to raise money other than by doing what IMG is doing at the moment, which is working on a sponsorship strategy. However, we know that we have staunch support from the original private supporters of the dome, particularly British Airways and British Telecom.

Baroness Rawlings: My Lords, how much money?

Lord Cledwyn of Penrhos: My Lords, does my noble friend agree that our ancestors were infinitely wiser when they built Stonehenge?

Lord McIntosh of Haringey: My Lords, Stonehenge will undoubtedly last longer and will outlive anything that we do at the dome or elsewhere for the millennium.

The Earl of Lauderdale: My Lords, what will the dome do for any of us? What on earth are all the people going to do when they get there?

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Lord McIntosh of Haringey: My Lords, the proposals for the inside of the dome are of two kinds. First, there is the experience itself, which is being worked on by Sir Cameron Mackintosh and John Napier. That will be an in-the-round 10,000-seat auditorium, probably several times a day. Around that there will be a whole series of exhibitions and interactive experiences. None of us knows yet in detail what they will be, but I shall gladly write to the noble Earl about the themes for them.

The Earl of Lauderdale: My Lords, will any of these exhibitions have anything to do with the founder of Christianity?

Lord McIntosh of Haringey: My Lords, as I explained in an answer to the noble Lord, Lord Elton, earlier this year, the spiritual aspects of the dome are the responsibility of a Lambeth working group, which is ensuring--this may not be satisfactory to the noble Earl himself--that there are representatives of all Christian faiths, and others, who observe the Gregorian calendar.

Lord Peyton of Yeovil: My Lords, the working group from Lambeth will have its work cut out to invest this project with a measure of dignity. I wish the noble Lord could bring himself to state more clearly than he has done yet what will be the advantages to this country and when they are likely to accrue.

Lord McIntosh of Haringey: My Lords, I do not think we should be ashamed of ourselves, of our heritage and, indeed, of our plans for the next millennium. That is what the dome experience will be about.

Bosnia: UK Troops

3.6 p.m.

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede asked Her Majesty's Government:

    What plans they have for the United Kingdom's future contribution to the multinational stabilisation force in the former Yugoslavia.

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Foreign and Commonwealth Office (Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean): My Lords, the United Kingdom contributes some 5,300 troops to the NATO-led stabilisation force--SFOR--in Bosnia. Progress in implementing the Dayton peace agreement will determine whether a successor force is needed once SFOR's mandate ends in June 1998. If it is, the United Kingdom is willing to keep troops on the ground, if others are ready to do the same. Troop numbers would depend on the tasks assigned to a successor force.

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede: My Lords, I thank my noble friend for that Answer. I congratulate the Government on the firm action that they have taken in detaining suspected war criminals and those who have

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been indicted for war crimes. Can my noble friend assure me that the Government will continue to take such further action to detain those who are currently free?

Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean: My Lords, the United Kingdom Government will support the pursuance of those indicted of these crimes wherever and whenever possible.

Lord Wallace of Saltaire: My Lords, will the Minister confirm that the phrase "if others are ready to do the same" applies most crucially to the United States? Does she consider it wise that the British Government should lay such heavy dependence on the decision of the United States to continue to contribute troops as to the future of the force as a whole?

Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean: My Lords, the position of the United Kingdom Government is that any successor force must be militarily credible to all Bosnian parties. Experience shows that only NATO has this credibility. It is also important that the burden is shared evenly. Any force should therefore be drawn widely from NATO member states and perhaps from others too. But its exact configuration and mandate will be a matter for NATO to decide and will depend on the tasks assigned to any successor force.

Lord Burnham: My Lords, what undertakings can the Government give us that the cost of British participation in Bosnia will continue to be borne by the Treasury contingency reserve and will not fall on the defence budget as yet another sum of money to be taken from the small amount available for that purpose?

Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean: My Lords, as I have already indicated, it is too early to say whether there will be a need for a further force after the end of June next year. That is still some eight months away. Under the current practice, any further need will fall on the contingency reserve.

Lord Bruce of Donington: My Lords, can my noble friend say whether the present attitude of Her Majesty's Government on this matter has taken into account the apparent close relationship that has now developed formally between the Soviet Union, Germany and France to the exclusion of the United Kingdom?

Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean: My Lords, the position of the United Kingdom Government is one that depends upon the co-operation of all parties involved in Bosnia at the present time. The position of the United Kingdom takes account of all relationships both within NATO and elsewhere.

Lord Avebury: My Lords, while echoing the remarks of the noble Lord, Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede, about the arrest by the British contingent of SFOR of certain war criminals, is the Minister satisfied that the terms of reference of SFOR and the resources available

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to it are sufficient to complete the task of arresting the remaining indictees within the expected life of SFOR? In particular, can the Minister say what additional measures are being taken by SFOR to apprehend the 39 suspects whose whereabouts are listed publicly on a website?

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