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House of Lords

Wednesday, 10th June 1998.

The House met at half-past two of the clock: The LORD CHANCELLOR on the Woolsack.

Prayers--Read by the Lord Bishop of Ripon.

The Lord Chancellor: Leave of Absence

The Lord Chancellor (Lord Irvine of Lairg): My Lords, before today's business begins, I should like to take the opportunity to inform the House that I will be hosting a luncheon on behalf of Her Majesty's Government for the President of South Africa on Monday, 15th June. Accordingly, I trust that the House will grant me leave of absence.

Falkland Islands: Oil and Gas Exploration

Lord Campbell of Croy asked Her Majesty's Government:

    Whether their responsibility for the Falkland Islands includes devising systems to license exploration for oil and gas in the Falklands' exclusive economic zone and to license production, should commercial quantities be discovered, or introducing an associated tax regime.

Lord Whitty: My Lords, the Falkland Islands Government are responsible for granting licences for exploration and production of oil and gas in Falklands' waters, and also for the introduction of a suitable tax regime. However, they were assisted during the drafting of the relevant legislation by the DTI, the Inland Revenue and the Health and Safety Executive.

Lord Campbell of Croy: My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for that reply. As exploration drilling has just started in the Falklands' designated sea-bed zone, has it yet been decided, if oil and gas are discovered, how any tax revenue will be divided between the Falklands Government and the British Treasury?

Lord Whitty: My Lords, although it is clear that any such revenue would accrue to the Falklands Government, revenue sharing was discussed with the islands' council during the recent visit of my honourable friend Tony Lloyd to the Falkland Islands in April. Both sides agreed to take forward discussions on arrangements for the sharing of potential revenues.

Lord Hardy of Wath: My Lords, can my noble friend the Minister confirm that Her Majesty's Government will make sure that the Falkland Islands

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Government receive all possible assistance to ensure that environmental considerations receive a very high priority?

Lord Whitty: Yes, my Lords; part of the advice received from British departments covers precisely those points.

Lord Skelmersdale: My Lords, can the Minister tell the House what the Government's reaction is to a recent statement by the Argentinean Government that they would charge a 3 per cent. revenue tax on any oil and gas found in the Falkland Islands?

Lord Whitty: My Lords, we are aware of that proposition and there is some draft legislation before the Argentinian congress. We do not believe that the Argentinian Government have the right to charge such revenues. Therefore, we hope that they will not proceed with such legislation. If they do, we would not regard it as acceptable.

Lord Dean of Beswick: My Lords, can my noble friend say whether this particular agreement concerning the Falkland Islands bears any relation to the deep sea mining agreements of some years ago when the USA was the only major power which would not sign them?

Lord Whitty: My Lords, I would need greater technical advice to know whether this related to the deep sea mining operations. However, I do know that the geology of the Falkland Islands area is very similar in many ways to that of the North Sea. Therefore, much of the expertise which was gathered by British companies and British Government agencies during the North Sea exploration is being made available to the Falkland Islands Government.

Baroness Hooper: My Lords, as far as concerns the special co-operation area, which is administered jointly by the British and Argentinian Governments, can the Minister tell the House whether the discussions which are being pursued have got as far as deciding what the tax revenue will be in that respect?

Lord Whitty: No, my Lords; not conclusively. The special co-operation area lies, I believe, to the south-west of the Falkland Islands and the co-operation between Britain and Argentina in that area sends a strong signal to the oil industry that we can co-operate. However, the technical details of both the tax and licensing regime have yet to be finalised. Indeed, discussions are still going on.

Lord Ironside: My Lords, while the Government can give very wise advice about the tax regime and its structuring, can the Minister tell the House what provisions will be made to pay for our military presence on the islands out of the revenue, if it materialises?

Lord Whitty: My Lords, I have already referred to the possibility of sharing revenue. However, that is not in any sense directly related to our continuing military

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presence. Whatever the revenue from oil exploration--and we must recognise that actual production of commercially usable oil is many years away--Her Majesty's Government retain a commitment as regards the defence of the Falkland Islands.

Lord Campbell of Alloway: My Lords, can the Minister tell the House what is the limit of the sovereignty of sea territoriality claimed by the Falklands?

Lord Whitty: My Lords, as regards the territorial waters, there is a 200-mile limit around the Falkland Islands, subject to the joint co-operation area to the south of the islands which is run by agreement between Britain and Argentina.

Lord Mackay of Ardbrecknish: My Lords, is the Minister aware that the assurances that he has just given the House are most welcome? Can the noble Lord give us a further assurance that the brief from which his answers have come has been copied to other Ministers in the Foreign Office and been read by them?

Lord Whitty: My Lords, I regret the way in which we have a cheap intervention from the Opposition Front Bench, which will not be appreciated by the Falkland Islanders. However, I can assure the noble Lord and the House that all Ministers who have responsibility for the Falkland Islands are aware of everything that I have told noble Lords today. That will continue to be the case.

Lord Callaghan of Cardiff: My Lords, will my noble friend the Minister confirm that he is replying to this Question because his noble friend Lady Symons of Vernham Dean is in North America? If that is so, will my noble friend assure her on her return that absolutely no one who knows her or anything about her work could ever accuse her of misleading the House?

Lord Whitty: My Lords, I warmly endorse the sentiment expressed by my noble friend. No Minister in this House in my time has shown greater diligence and respect for the requirements of this Chamber than my noble friend Lady Symons.

Lord Campbell of Croy: My Lords, has the designated area now been accepted internationally? In the area of special co-operation, agreed with Argentina, has the system of drilling licence applications yet been agreed with Argentina?

Lord Whitty: My Lords, as regards the noble Lord's second point, these are subject to continuing technical discussions. However, as regards the joint co-operation area, there is a willingness on the part of both Governments to state their sovereignty claims, to put them to one side and to co-operate in that area. The Falklands' territorial claim stems from the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. Argentina has not accepted that claim. However, the British Government continue to assert it.

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Lord Strathclyde: My Lords, is the noble Lord aware that everything he has said about the noble Baroness, Lady Symons, may well be true, but some serious accusations have been made which reflect both on her and on this House? Will he comment on whether or not she will be able to come to this House as soon as possible to make a Statement to clarify the situation?

Lord Whitty: My Lords, I am advised by my noble friends that those comments have little to do with the Question. However, the House should know that my noble friend has been in North America and is in North America today. She will obviously have seen the headlines and I am sure she will consider carefully what has been said. On her return she will, as always, take the appropriate action to respect the views and requirements of this House.

Health of the Nation: Government Policy

2.44 p.m.

Lord Rowallan asked Her Majesty's Government:

    Why, and at what cost, the Department of Health has dropped its logo which states "improving the health of the nation" from its stationery and whether that statement remains the policy of the Government.

The Minister of State, Department of Health (Baroness Jay of Paddington): My Lords, I am not sure whether the noble Lord is concerned more with reckless expenditure by the Department of Health or a basic change of philosophy. I hope that I can reassure him on both points. The stationery on which the previous government's logo was printed is being phased out. However, I am delighted to show your Lordships' House an envelope which I picked out of my letter rack today which still has the old logo. Replacement is taking time and no additional costs have been incurred. I reassure the noble Lord that the Government certainly have ambitious policies to improve the overall health of the whole population which go well beyond those reflected in the previous government's slogan. To retain the stationery logo over a long period would be as inappropriate as to use one which states,

    "Improving the NHS internal market".

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