House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)

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Thursday 5 June 1997

The House met at three o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Alderdice, L.
Aldington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Arran, E.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Balfour, E.
Barber, L.
Barnett, L.
Bathurst, E.
Beaverbrook, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Beloff, L.
Berkeley, L.
Bethell, L.
Biddulph, L.
Birdwood, L.
Blackburn, Bp.
Blatch, B.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Boyd-Carpenter, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bramall, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridgeman, V.
Brightman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Buckinghamshire, E.
Burnham, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Calverley, L.
Cameron of Lochbroom, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnarvon, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Carrick, E.
Carter, L.
Carver, L.
Chalfont, L.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chesham, L.
Chorley, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cobbold, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Coleridge, L.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
Constantine of Stanmore, L.
Cooke of Thorndon, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Craigmyle, L.
Cranborne, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crawshaw, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.

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Cumberlege, B.
Dahrendorf, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
De Freyne, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Denbigh, E.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Derwent, L.
Desai, L.
Devonport, V.
Diamond, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Downshire, M.
Effingham, E.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Ely, M.
Enniskillen, E.
Erroll of Hale, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Ferrers, E.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Foley, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gage, V.
Gainford, L.
Gainsborough, E.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gillmore of Thamesfield, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gladwyn, L.
Glenamara, L.
Glentoran, L.
Gormanston, V.
Goschen, V.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Griffiths of Fforestfach, L.
Hailsham of Saint Marylebone, L.
Halsbury, E.
Hankey, L.
Hardie, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardwicke, E.
Harlech, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayter, L.
Hemphill, L.
Henley, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Howe, E.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hussey of North Bradley, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeger, B.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kennet, L.
Kenyon, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Killearn, L.
Kilmarnock, L.
Kilpatrick of Kincraig, L.
Kimball, L.
Kingsdown, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kirkhill, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Layton, L.
Leathers, V.
Leicester, E.
Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Lestor of Eccles, B.
Leverhulme, V.
Lewis of Newnham, L.
Lindsay, E.
Linlithgow, M.
Lloyd of Berwick, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lovell-Davis, L.
Lowry, L.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
Lytton, E.
McCarthy, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
McFarlane of Llandaff, B.
McGowan, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Clashfern, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Macleod of Borve, B.
McNally, L.
Mallalieu, B.
Mancroft, L.
Mansfield, E.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Melville, V.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Meston, L.
Methuen, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Monckton of Brenchley, V.
Monkswell, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Moore of Wolvercote, L.
Moran, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norfolk, D.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Orr-Ewing, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Pender, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Ellesmere, L.
Pike, B.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Rankeillour, L.
Rathcavan, L.
Rawlings, B.

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Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Rennell, L.
Renton, L.
Renwick, L.
Richard, L.
Ridley, V.
Ripon, Bp.
Rix, L.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rogers of Riverside, L.
Romney, E.
Rowallan, L.
Russell, E.
Sainsbury, L.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandwich, E.
Sandys, L.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selborne, E.
Serota, B.
Sewel, L.
Shannon, E.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shrewsbury, E.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Slim, V.
Slynn of Hadley, L.
Smith, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Southwell, Bp.
Spens, L.
Stafford, L.
Stallard, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strafford, E.
Strange, B.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Sudeley, L.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Swinton, E.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Tanlaw, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tebbit, L.
Tenby, V.
Terrington, L.
Teviot, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurlow, L.
Thurso, V.
Torrington, V.
Trumpington, B.
Turner of Camden, B.
Ullswater, V.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakeham, L.
Wallace of Coslany, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walpole, L.
Waterford, M.
Weatherill, L.
Westbury, L.
Whaddon, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitelaw, V.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Willoughby de Broke, L.
Winston, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Wyatt of Weeford, L.
Wynford, L.
Young, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Ripon.

1.Oaths and affirmations—The Lords following took and subscribed the oath, or made and subscribed the solemn affirmation, pursuant to statute:

Philip William Bryce Viscount Leverhulme
Francis Melfort William Lord Stafford
Adrian John Charles Marquess of Linlithgow
John Lord Diamond
Harry Duncan Cory Lord McGowan

Judicial Business

2.Appeal Committee—The following Orders were made pursuant to the 25th Report of an Appeal Committee Session 1996-97—

Regina v. Burt & Adams Limited (Respondents)—That the petition be referred for hearing.

Regina v. Southwark Crown Court ex parte Bowles (Respondent)—That the petition be referred for hearing.

3.Appeal Committee—The following Order was made pursuant to the Third Report—

In re S (a minor) (1997)—That leave to appeal be given, and that the petition of appeal be lodged by 10th June next.


4.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Statement of changes in immigration rules, laid under the Immigration Act 1971;
2. (i)Eggs (Marketing Standards) (Amendment) Regulations 1997—(1414)
(ii)Miscellaneous Food Additives (Amendment) Regulations 1997—(1413)
 laid under the Food Safety Act 1990;
3.Pesticides (Maximum Residue Levels in Crops, Food and Feeding Stuffs) (National Limits) (Amendment) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 1997, laid under the Food and Environment Protection Act 1985;

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4.Local Government (General Grant) Order (Northern Ireland) 1997, laid under the Local Government &c. (Northern Ireland) Order 1972;
5.Road Traffic (Special Parking Area) (City of Westminster) (Amendment) Order 1997, laid under the Road Traffic Act 1991;
6. (i)Motor Vehicles (Type Approval for Goods Vehicles) (Great Britain) (Amendment) Regulations 1997—(1365)
(ii)Motor Vehicles (Approval) (Amendment) Regulations 1997—(1366)
(iii)Motor Vehicles (Type Approval) (Great Britain) (Amendment) Regulations 1997—(1367)
 laid under the Road Traffic Act 1988.
5.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1. (i)Report for 1996—
(ii)Accounts for 1996–97, together with the report of the Comptroller and Auditor General—
 of the Crown Agents Holding and Realisation Board, laid under the Crown Agents Act 1979;
2.Statement of guarantee given by the Secretary of State for Health in respect of temporary borrowing by the Northern General Hospital NHS Trust, laid under the National Health Service and Community Care Act 1990.

Public Business

6.Referendums (Scotland and Wales) Bill—A bill to make provision for the holding of a referendum in Scotland on the establishment and tax-varying powers of a Scottish Parliament and a referendum in Wales on the establishment of a Welsh Assembly; and for expenditure in preparation for the establishment of a Scottish Parliament or a Welsh Assembly, was brought from the Commons, read a first time and ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 8)
7.House of Lords’ Offices—It was moved by the Chairman of Committees that the Select Committee on the House of Lords Offices be appointed and that, as proposed by the Committee of Selection, the following Lords together with the Chairman of Committees be named of the Committee:
V. Allenby of Megiddo
L. Brabazon of Tara
L. Brougham and Vaux
L. Bruce of Donington
E. Caithness
L. Carter
L. Colwyn
V. Cranborne
L. Dean of Beswick
V. Falkland
L. Fraser of Carmyllie
E. Gowrie
L. Harris of Greenwich
L. Irvine of Lairg (Lord Chancellor)
B. Jay of Paddington
L. Jenkins of Hillhead
L. Lane of Horsell
B. Nicol
E. Northesk
Bp. Oxford
L. Renfrew of Kaimsthorn
L. Richard (Lord Privy Seal)
V. Slim
L. Strathclyde
B. Thomas of Walliswood
L. Tordoff
B. Turner of Camden
V. Ullswater
L. Weatherill;

the motion was agreed to.

8.Deputy Chairmen of Committees—It was moved by the Chairman of Committees that, as proposed by the Committee of Selection, the following Lords be appointed as the panel of Lords to act as Deputy Chairmen of Committees for this session:
L. Aberdare
V. Allenby of Megiddo
L. Ampthill
L. Broadbridge
L. Brougham and Vaux
L. Burnham
L. Carter
L. Chesham
L. Cocks of Hartcliffe
B. Cox
L. Dean of Harptree
L. Elliott of Morpeth
L. Elton
L. Geraint
L. Graham of Edmondon
B. Hooper
B. Lockwood
L. Lyell
L. McColl of Dulwich
L. McIntosh of Haringey
C. Mar
L. Murton of Lindisfarne
B. Nicol
V. Oxfuird
V. St. Davids
B. Serota
L. Skelmersdale
L. Strabolgi
L. Strathclyde
B. Turner of Camden;

the motion was agreed to.

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9.Statutory Instruments—It was moved by the Chairman of Committees that a select committee of seven Lords be appointed to join with the Committee appointed by the Commons to consider:
(1)Every instrument which is laid before each House of Parliament and upon which proceedings may be or might have been taken in either House of Parliament, in pursuance of an Act of Parliament; being
(a)a statutory instrument, or a draft of a statutory instrument;
(b)a scheme, or an amendment of a scheme, or a draft thereof, requiring approval by statutory instrument;
(c)any other instrument (whether or not in draft), where the proceedings in pursuance of an Act of Parliament are proceedings by way of an affirmative resolution; or
(d)an order subject to special parliamentary procedure;
 but excluding any Order in Council or draft Order in Council made or proposed to be made under paragraph 1 of Schedule 1 to the Northern Ireland Act 1974 and any draft order proposed to be made under section 1 of the Deregulation and Contracting Out Act 1994.
(2)Every general statutory instrument not within the foregoing classes, and not required to be laid before or to be subject to proceedings in the Commons only, but not including Measures under the Church of England Assembly (Powers) Act 1919 and instruments made under such Measures;

with a view to determining whether the special attention of the House should be drawn to it on any of the following grounds:

(i)that it imposes a charge on the public revenues or contains provisions requiring payments to be made to the Exchequer or any government department or to any local or public authority in consideration of any licence or consent or of any services to be rendered, or prescribes the amount of any such charge or payments;
(ii)that it is made in pursuance of any enactment containing specific provisions excluding it from challenge in the courts, either at all times or after the expiration of a specific period;
(iii)that it purports to have retrospective effect where the parent statute confers no express authority so to provide;
(iv)that there appears to have been unjustifiable delay in the publication or in the laying of it before Parliament;
(v)that there appears to have been unjustifiable delay in sending a notification under the proviso to subsection (1) of section 4 of the Statutory Instruments Act 1946, where an instrument has come into operation before it has been laid before Parliament;
(vi)that there appears to be a doubt whether it is intra vires or that it appears to make some unusual or unexpected use of the powers conferred by the statute under which it is made;
(vii)that for any special reasons its form or purport call for elucidation;
(viii)that its drafting appears to be defective;

or on any other ground which does not impinge on its merits or on the policy behind it, and to report their decision with the reasons thereof in any particular case.

That, as proposed by the Committee of Selection, the following Lords be named of the Committee:

V. Addison
L. Brooks of Tremorfa
L. Meston
L. Prys-Davies
L. Shaughnessy
L. Skelmersdale
L. Vivian;

That two be the quorum of the Committee;

That the Committee have power to agree with any Committee appointed by the Commons in the appointment of a Chairman;

That the Committee have power to appoint one or more Sub-Committees severally to join with any Sub-Committee or Sub-Committees appointed by any Committee appointed by the Commons; and to refer to such Sub-Committee or Sub-Committees any of the matters referred to the Committee;

That it be an instruction to the Committee that they do not consider any instrument which is directed by Act of Parliament to be laid before and to be subject to proceedings in the Commons only; and that the Committee do not join with any Committee appointed by the Commons in considering any such instrument;

That it be a further instruction to the Committee that, before reporting that the special attention of the House be drawn to any instrument, the Committee do afford to any government department concerned therewith an opportunity of furnishing orally or in writing to them or to any Sub-Committee of the Committee such explanations as the department think fit;

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That the Joint Committee have leave to report from time to time;

That, as proposed by the Commons in their message of yesterday, the Committee do meet with the Committee appointed by the Commons this day at half-past four o’clock;

the motion was agreed to.

10.Wireless Telegraphy Bill [HL]—It was moved by the Lord Clinton-Davis that the bill be now read a second time; after debate, the motion was agreed to and the bill was committed to a Committee of the Whole House.
11.Statutory Instruments—The First Report from the Joint Committee was made on certain statutory instruments, including the following affirmative instruments:

Draft Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 Compensation Scheme;

Draft Northern Ireland (Entry to Negotiations, etc.) Act 1996 (Revival of Section 3) Order 1997;

Draft Army, Air Force and Naval Discipline Acts (Continuation) Order 1997;

it was ordered that the Report be printed. (HL Paper 4)

12.Special Immigration Appeals Commission Bill [HL]—It was moved by the Lord Williams of Mostyn that the bill be now read a second time; after debate, the motion was agreed to and the bill was committed to a Committee of the Whole House.

The House was adjourned at twenty minutes past six o’clock
to Monday next, half-past two o’clock.