House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)


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Tuesday 15 July 1997

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Aldington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Arran, E.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Balfour, E.
Barber of Tewkesbury, L.
Barnett, L.
Bath and Wells, Bp.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Beaverbrook, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Bellwin, L.
Beloff, L.
Berkeley, L.
Birdwood, L.
Blatch, B.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Boyd-Carpenter, L.
Brain, L.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridges, L.
Brightman, L.
Broadbridge, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Broughshane, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Buchan, E.
Buckinghamshire, E.
Burnham, L.
Burton, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnarvon, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Carter, L.
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Chalfont, L.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chorley, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Colwyn, L.
Congleton, L.
Constantine of Stanmore, L.
Cottesloe, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Craigmyle, L.
Cranborne, V.
Cranbrook, E.
Crathorne, L.
Crawshaw, L.
Croham, L.
Crook, L.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Dahrendorf, L.
Dainton, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.

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David, B.
Davidson, V.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Denbigh, E.
Denham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Desai, L.
Diamond, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donaldson of Kingsbridge, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Downshire, M.
Drogheda, E.
Dubs, L.
Eatwell, L.
Effingham, E.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Ely, Bp.
Erne, E.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Feldman, L.
Ferrers, E.
Fisher of Rednal, B.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gage, V.
Gainford, L.
Gainsborough, E.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gilmour of Craigmillar, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gladwyn, L.
Glenamara, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Gormanston, V.
Goschen, V.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Gowrie, E.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grantchester, L.
Grantley, L.
Gray, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greene of Harrow Weald, L.
Greenhill of Harrow, L.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Grimston of Westbury, L.
Hacking, L.
Hailsham of Saint Marylebone, L.
Halsbury, E.
Hamilton of Dalzell, L.
Hampden, V.
Hanworth, V.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardwicke, E.
Harlech, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harmsworth, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Haskel, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Healey, L.
Hemphill, L.
Henderson of Brompton, L.
Henley, L.
Hertford, M.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg, B.
Holderness, L.
Hollick, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Home, E.
Hooson, L.
Howe, E.
Howell, L.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hussey of North Bradley, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Inchcape, E.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Jeffreys, L.
Jeger, B.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Johnston of Rockport, L.
Judd, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kennet, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kilmarnock, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Knights, L.
Knollys, V.
Knutsford, V.
Laing of Dunphail, L.
Lane of Horsell, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Layton, L.
Leathers, V.
Leconfield and Egremont, L.
Leigh, L.
Lestor of Eccles, B.
Lindsay, E.
Liverpool, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lovell-Davis, L.
Lowry, L.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
Lytton, E.
McCarthy, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
McFarlane of Llandaff, B.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
Macleod of Borve, B.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Mallalieu, B.
Mansfield, E.
Manton, L.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Meston, L.
Middleton, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Molloy, L.
Monckton of Brenchley, V.
Monk Bretton, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Moore of Wolvercote, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Ogmore, L.
Oliver of Aylmerton, L.
Onslow, E.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Patten, L.

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Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Pender, L.
Perth, E.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Prior, L.
Pym, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Rankeillour, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Rees, L.
Rees-Mogg, L.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Rennell, L.
Renton, L.
Renwick, L.
Richard, L.
Rix, L.
Robertson of Oakridge, L.
Robson of Kiddington, B.
Rogers of Riverside, L.
Romney, E.
Rosslyn, E.
Rotherwick, L.
Runcie, L.
Russell, E.
Sainsbury, L.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandford, L.
Sandwich, E.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selborne, E.
Serota, B.
Sewel, L.
Shannon, E.
Sharples, B.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Slim, V.
Smith, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soper, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Southwark, Bp.
Spens, L.
Stallard, L.
Stanley of Alderley, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stockton, E.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strafford, E.
Strange, B.
Strathclyde, L.
Sudeley, L.
Suffield, L.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Swinton, E.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Tenby, V.
Terrington, L.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thurlow, L.
Thurso, V.
Tope, L.
Trumpington, B.
Turner of Camden, B.
Tweeddale, M.
Ullswater, V.
Varley, L.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakeham, L.
Wallace of Coslany, L.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedgwood, L.
Westbury, L.
Whaddon, L.
Wharton, B.
White, B.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Winston, L.
Wise, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Wyatt of Weeford, L.
Young, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Southwark.

Judicial Business

1.In re Ismail (Petitioner) (application for a writ of Habeas Corpus)—The petition of Nashwan Dawood Ismail praying for leave to appeal in accordance with the Administration of Justice Act 1960 was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
2.Regina v. Mayor etc. of the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea (Appellants) ex parte Kihara (A.P.) (Respondent)—
3.Regina v. Lord Mayor etc. of the City of Westminster (Appellants) ex parte Pavlov (A.P.) (Respondent)—

(Consolidated Appeals)—

The petition of the appellants praying that the appeal be withdrawn on the terms agreed between the parties and on condition that the appellants do pay to the respondents their costs incurred in respect of the petitions of appeal to this House, such costs to be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties, and that the costs of the respondents be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988 (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed.

4.Baker (suing on his own behalf and on behalf of other members of Syndicate 947 at Lloyd’s since 1957) (Original Appellant and Cross-Respondent) v. Black Sea & Baltic General Insurance Company Limited (Original Respondents and Cross-Appellants)—The petition of the appellant (lodged 14th July) praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 25th August next or to the third sitting day after the next ensuing meeting of the House (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed.

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5.Commissioners of Customs and Excise (Respondents) v. Thorn Materials Supply Limited and Thorn Resources Limited (Appellants)—The petition of the appellants praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 12th August next (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed.
6.Appeal Committee—The following Orders were made pursuant to the 6th Report—

Gerber Garment Technology Inc. (Petitioners) v. Lectra Systems Limited and others (Respondents)—That the petition be referred for hearing.

Regina v. Chief Constable of Sussex (Respondent) ex parte International Trader’s Ferry Limited (Petitioners)—That leave to appeal be given, and that the petition of appeal be lodged by 29th July.

Papers

7.Negative Instrument—The following instrument was laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:

Recreation Grounds (Revocation of Parish Council Byelaws) Order 1997, laid under the Local Government Act 1972.

(1654)

8.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Report and Accounts for 1996–97 of:
(i)the Ministry of Defence Pay and Personnel Agency—
(ii)the Scottish Fisheries Protection Agency—
(iii)the NHS Estates Management and Health Building Agency—
 laid under the Exchequer and Audit Departments Act 1921;
2. (i)Report of the Data Protection Registrar, June 1977—
(ii)Accounts for 1996–97 of the Data Protection Registrar, together with the report of the Comptroller and Auditor General—
 laid under the Data Protection Act 1984;
3.Report for 1996–97 of the Crown Prosecution Service, laid under the Prosecution of Offences Act 1985;
4.Accounts for 1996–97 of the Central Office of Information, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Government Trading Funds Act 1973;
5.Report for 1996–97 of the Countryside Council for Wales, laid under the Environmental Protection Act 1990;
6.First Report of the Parliamentary Commission for Administration, Selected cases 1997 volume 3, laid under the Parliamentary Commissioner Act 1967;
7.Report and Accounts for 1996–97 of the Scottish Transport Group, laid under the Transport Act 1962;
8.Report for 1996–97 of the Horserace Betting Levy Board and the Horserace Totalisator Board, laid under the Betting, Gaming and Lotteries Act 1963.

Select Committee Report

9.Statutory Instruments—The 7th Report from the Joint Committee was made on certain statutory instruments, including the following affirmative instruments:

Draft Transport and Works (Guided Transport Modes) (Amendment) Order 1997;

 Draft Local Government Act 1988 (Competition) (Defined Activities) (Scotland) Amendment Order 1997;

it was ordered that the Report be printed. (HL Paper 16)

Public Business

10.Special Immigration Appeals Commission Bill [HL]—The bill was read a third time; a privilege amendment was agreed to; then the bill was passed and sent to the Commons.
11.National Health Service (Private Finance) Bill [HL]—The bill was returned from the Commons agreed to.
12.Wireless Telegraphy Bill [HL]—The report was received; amendments were moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn.
13.Firearms (Amendment) Bill—The House resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the House was resumed and the bill was reported without amendment.

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14.Royal Assent—The Lord Speaker (Lord Ampthill) notified the Queen’s Assent to the following Acts:
National Health Service (Private Finance) Actc. 56
Southampton International Boat Show Actc. i
Imperial College Actc. ii
15.Geneva Conventions (Amendment) Bill [HL]—It was moved by the Lord Avebury that the bill be read a second time; after debate, the motion was agreed to and the bill was committed to a Committee of the Whole House.

The House was adjourned at twenty-nine minutes past eight o’clock
till tomorrow, half-past two o’clock.