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House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)


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Wednesday 16 July 1997

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Ackner, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Aldington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alport, L.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Arran, E.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashburton, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Balfour, E.
Barber, L.
Barber of Tewkesbury, L.
Barnard, L.
Barnett, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Bellwin, L.
Beloff, L.
Belstead, L.
Berkeley, L.
Bethell, L.
Birdwood, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blake, L.
Blatch, B.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Boyd-Carpenter, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Brain, L.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridgeman, V.
Bridges, L.
Brightman, L.
Brigstocke, B.
Broadbridge, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Burnham, L.
Butterfield, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Carver, L.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.
Chandos, V.
Chapple, L.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chelmsford, V.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Clifford of Chudleigh, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Clyde, L.
Cobbold, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Colwyn, L.
Constantine of Stanmore, L.
Cornwallis, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Cranborne, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Cromartie, E.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Dahrendorf, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
De Freyne, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Denham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Desai, L.
Devonport, V.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donaldson of Kingsbridge, L.
Donaldson of Lymington, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Eatwell, L.
Effingham, E.
Elibank, L.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Emerton, B.
Erne, E.

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Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Fisher of Rednal, B.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gainford, L.
Gainsborough, E.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gillmore of Thamesfield, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Glenamara, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Gormanston, V.
Goschen, V.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Gridley, L.
Grimston of Westbury, L.
Halsbury, E.
Hampton, L.
Hanworth, V.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardwicke, E.
Harlech, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Haskel, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayter, L.
Headfort, M.
Healey, L.
Hemphill, L.
Henderson of Brompton, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Holderness, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hooson, L.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Hothfield, L.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hunt of Tanworth, L.
Hussey of North Bradley, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Inchyra, L.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Iveagh, E.
Jakobovits, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeffreys, L.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Johnston of Rockport, L.
Judd, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kennet, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kilmarnock, L.
Kilpatrick of Kincraig, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Kitchener, E.
Knollys, V.
Laing of Dunphail, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Layton, L.
Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Lestor of Eccles, B.
Lewis of Newnham, L.
Liverpool, E.
Lloyd of Berwick, L.
Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lowry, L.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
Lytton, E.
McCarthy, L.
Macclesfield, E.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
McFarlane of Llandaff, B.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
MacLaurin of Knebworth, L.
Macleod of Borve, B.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Mersey, V.
Meston, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Monckton of Brenchley, V.
Monkswell, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Monteagle of Brandon, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Moore of Wolvercote, L.
Moran, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mountgarret, V.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Ogmore, L.
Oxford, Bp.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Pender, L.
Perry of Walton, L.
Perth, E.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Ellesmere, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Porter of Luddenham, L.
Prior, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Pym, L.
Quinton, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Rankeillour, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rawlinson of Ewell, L.
Reay, L.
Rees, L.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Renton, L.
Renwick, L.
Richard, L.
Ridley, V.
Ripon, Bp.
Ritchie of Dundee, L.
Robertson of Oakridge, L.
Robson of Kiddington, B.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Runcie, L.
Sainsbury, L.
Saint Albans, D.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Samuel, V.
Sandwich, E.
Seccombe, B.

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Sefton of Garston, L.
Shannon, E.
Sharples, B.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Slim, V.
Slynn of Hadley, L.
Smith, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Southwark, Bp.
Spens, L.
Stallard, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strange, B.
Strathclyde, L.
Sudeley, L.
Swinfen, L.
Swinton, E.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tebbit, L.
Tenby, V.
Terrington, L.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Tope, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trenchard, V.
Trumpington, B.
Turner of Camden, B.
Tweeddale, M.
Ullswater, V.
Varley, L.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakeham, L.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedgwood, L.
Westbury, L.
Whaddon, L.
Wharton, B.
White, B.
Whitty, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Wilson of Tillyorn, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Windlesham, L.
Winston, L.
Wise, L.
Wyatt of Weeford, L.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Southwark.

1.Oaths—The Lords following took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute:

David James George Lord Windlesham
John Ruaridh Grant Earl of Cromartie

Judicial Business

2.Norton Healthcare Limited (Respondents) v. Beecham Group Plc (Petitioners)—The petition of Beecham Group Plc praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
3.Grovit (Appellant) and others v. Doctor and others (Respondents)—The petition of the second respondent praying that, without prejudice to any review of taxation, an interim payment be made forthwith in respect of his costs (the agents for the appellant not consenting thereto) was presented; and it was referred to an Appeal Committee.
4.Stern (Respondent) v. Piper and others (Appellants)—The petition of the appellants (lodged 15th July) praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 19th August next (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed.
5.Appeal Committee—The following Orders were made pursuant to the 12th Report—

Regina v. Westminster City Council and others and the Secretary of State for Health (Petitioner) ex parte A, P, M and X (Respondents)—That leave to appeal be given, and that the petition of appeal be lodged by 30th July.

Regina v. Westminster City Council (Petitioners) ex parte A (Respondent)—That leave to appeal be given, and that the petition of appeal be lodged by 30th July.

Papers

6.Command Papers—The following papers were presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Finance—Treasury Minute on the 12th to 25th Reports (Session 1996–97) of the House of Commons Committee of Public Accounts;
 (3714)
2.Criminal Justice—Exchange of Notes between the United Kingdom and Thailand extending the Agreement on the Transfer of Offenders and on Co-operation in the Enforcement of Penal Sentences to the Isle of Man;
 (3710)
3.Consular Relations—Exchange of Notes between the United Kingdom and China concerning the Establishment of a British Consulate-General in Hong Kong;
 (3711)
4.Commercial Debts—Exchange of Notes between the United Kingdom and Guyana concerning certain Commercial Debts;
 (3706)
5.Agriculture—Government Response to the 2nd Report (Session 1996–97) of the House of Commons Agriculture Committee: Environmentally Sensitive Areas and Other Schemes under the Agri-Environment Regulation.
 (3707)

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7.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Local Government Act 1988 (Defined Activities) (Exemption) (Craven, Kerrier and Mid-Devon District Councils and Middlesbrough Borough District Council) Order 1997, laid under the Local Government Act 1988;
 (1666)
2.Dual-Use and Related Goods (Export Control) (Amendment No. 3) Regulations 1997, laid under the European Communities Act 1972.
 (1694)
8.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Statement by the Secretary of State for National Heritage on the pay and pensions of the Chairman and Members of the British Library Board, laid under the British Library Act 1972;
2. (i)Report and Accounts for 1995–96 of the Fire Service College, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General—
(ii)Report and Accounts for 1996–97 of the Meteorological Office, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General—
 laid under the Government Trading Funds Act 1973;
3.Second Report of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Administration: Selected cases volume 4, laid under the Parliamentary Commissioner Act 1967;
4.Report for 1996–97 of the English National Board for Nursing, Midwifery and Health Visiting, laid under the Nurses, Midwives and Health Visitors Act 1997;
5.Report and Accounts for 1996–97 of the Valuation and Lands Agency, laid under the Exchequer and Audit Act (Northern Ireland) 1921;
6.Report and Accounts for 1996–97 of the Scottish Prison Service, laid under the Prisons (Scotland) Act 1989;
7.Report and Accounts for 1996–97 of Highlands and Islands Enterprise, laid under the Enterprise and New Towns (Scotland) Act 1990;
8.Report for 1996 of the Crofters Commission, laid under the Crofters (Scotland) Act 1993;
9. (i)Report and Accounts for 1996–97 of the Birmingham Heartlands Development Corporation—
(ii)Report for 1997 of the Plymouth Development Corporation—
(iii)Report for 1996–97 of Trafford Park Development Corporation—
(iv)Report and Accounts for 1996–97 of the Black Country Development Corporation—
(v)Report and Accounts for 1996–97 of the Tyne and Wear Development Corporation—
(vi)Report and Financial Statements for 1996–97 of the Teesside Development Corporation—
 laid under the Local Government, Planning and Land Act 1980;
10.Report and Accounts for 1996–97 of the Ordnance Survey, laid under the Exchequer and Audit Departments Act 1921;
11.NHS (Scotland) Summarised Accounts for 1995–96, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978;
12.Summarised Accounts for 1995–96, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, of the—
(i)NHS (England)—
(ii)NHS (Wales)—
 laid under the National Health Service Act 1977.

Public Business

9.Schools and Preparation for Adult Life (Short debate)—It was moved by the Lord Northbourne that there be laid before the House papers relating to the role of schools in preparing young people for the responsibilities and challenges of adult life, including parenthood; after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn.
10.Probation Service (Short debate)—It was moved by the Earl of Longford that there be laid before the House papers relating to proposed cuts in the probation service; after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn.

The House was adjourned at a quarter before eight o’clock
till tomorrow two o’clock for judicial business,
three o’clock for public business.