House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98) |
Lords Journals Contents Index Alphabetical list of Lords Minutes and Order Papers |
Wednesday 15 October 1997 The House met at half-past two o’clock. The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present: Irvine of Lairg, L.
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Avebury, L. Baldwin of Bewdley, E. Barnett, L. Bath, M. Bath and Wells, Bp. Beaumont of Whitley, L. Beaverbrook, L. Belhaven and Stenton, L. Beloff, L. Belstead, L. Berkeley, L. Biddulph, L. Biffen, L. Birdwood, L. Birkett, L. Blatch, B. Blease, L. Blyth, L. Boardman, L. Borrie, L. Boston of Faversham, L. Bowness, L. Boyd-Carpenter, L. Brabazon of Tara, L. Brentford, V. Bridgeman, V. Bridges, L. Brightman, L. Brigstocke, B. Broadbridge, L. Brookes, L. Brooks of Tremorfa, L. Brougham and Vaux, L. Broughshane, L. Bruce of Donington, L. Bruntisfield, L. Buckinghamshire, E. Burnham, L. Burton, L. Butterworth, L. Cadman, L. Callaghan of Cardiff, L. Calverley, L. Campbell of Alloway, L. Campbell of Croy, L. Carew, L. Carlisle, E. Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L. Carnegy of Lour, B. Carnock, L. Carr of Hadley, L. Carter, L. Carver, L. Chalfont, L. Chalker of Wallasey, B. Chapple, L. Charteris of Amisfield, L. Chesham, L. Clancarty, E. Clanwilliam, E. Clark of Kempston, L. Cledwyn of Penrhos, L. Clinton-Davis, L. Cobbold, L. Cochrane of Cults, L. Cockfield, L. Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Coleraine, L. Colwyn, L. |
Constantine of Stanmore, L. Cornwallis, L. Cottesloe, L. Courtown, E. Cowdrey of Tonbridge, L. Cox, B. Craig of Radley, L. Crathorne, L. Cross, V. Cullen of Ashbourne, L. Cumberlege, B. Currie of Marylebone, L. Darcy de Knayth, B. Davidson, V. Davies of Oldham, L. De Freyne, L. De Ramsey, L. Dean of Beswick, L. Dean of Harptree, L. Denbigh, E. Denham, L. Denton of Wakefield, B. Devonport, V. Dilhorne, V. Dixon, L. Dixon-Smith, L. Donaldson of Kingsbridge, L. Donoughue, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Drogheda, E. Eames, L. Eatwell, L. Effingham, E. Elis-Thomas, L. Ellenborough, L. Elles, B. Elliott of Morpeth, L. Elton, L. Erroll, E. Evans of Parkside, L. Exmouth, V. Ezra, L. Falkland, V. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Ferrers, E. Fitt, L. Fraser of Carmyllie, L. Freyberg, L. Gainford, L. Gallacher, L. Geddes, L. Geraint, L. Gibson, L. Gisborough, L. Gladwin of Clee, L. Glenarthur, L. Goschen, V. Gould of Potternewton, B. Graham of Edmonton, L. Grantley, L. Gray of Contin, L. Greenway, L. Gregson, L. Grenfell, L. Grey, E. Hacking, L. Haddington, E. Haig, E. |
Hailsham of Saint Marylebone, L. Halsbury, E. Hampden, V. Hampton, L. Hamwee, B. Hanworth, V. Hardie, L. Harding of Petherton, L. Hardwicke, E. Hardy of Wath, L. Harmar-Nicholls, L. Harris of Greenwich, L. Harris of High Cross, L. Harrowby, E. Haskel, L. Hayhoe, L. Hayman, B. Hemphill, L. Henley, L. Hereford, Bp. Hogg, B. Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Holderness, L. Hollis of Heigham, B. HolmPatrick, L. Hooper, B. Hooson, L. Howe, E. Howe of Aberavon, L. Howell, L. Howell of Guildford, L. Howie of Troon, L. Hoyle, L. Hughes, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hylton, L. Hylton-Foster, B. Ilchester, E. Inchyra, L. Inge, L. Inglewood, L. Ironside, L. Jeffreys, L. Jellicoe, E. Jenkin of Roding, L. Jenkins of Putney, L. Johnston of Rockport, L. Judd, L. Kenilworth, L. Kilbracken, L. Kilmarnock, L. Kimball, L. Kingsland, L. Kinloss, Ly. Kinnoull, E. Kintore, E. Kirkhill, L. Kissin, L. Lauderdale, E. Lawrence, L. Layton, L. Leathers, V. Leicester, Bp. Leigh, L. Lestor of Eccles, B. Lindsay, E. Lindsey and Abingdon, E. Liverpool, E. Lockwood, B. Long, V. |
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Longford, E. Lowry, L. Lucas, L. Lucas of Chilworth, L. Luke, L. Lytton, E. Macclesfield, E. McColl of Dulwich, L. McConnell, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. Mackay of Drumadoon, L. Mackintosh of Halifax, V. Macleod of Borve, B. McNair, L. McNally, L. Mar, C. Marlesford, L. Marsh, L. Masham of Ilton, B. Mason of Barnsley, L. Mayhew of Twysden, L. Merlyn-Rees, L. Mersey, V. Miller of Hendon, B. Milverton, L. Mishcon, L. Molloy, L. Molyneaux of Killead, L. Monkswell, L. Monson, L. Montagu of Beaulieu, L. Moore of Wolvercote, L. Morris of Castle Morris, L. Mottistone, L. Mountevans, L. Mowbray and Stourton, L. Moyne, L. Moynihan, L. Munster, E. Napier and Ettrick, L. Nathan, L. Nelson, E. Newall, L. Newby, L. Nicol, B. Noel-Buxton, L. Norrie, L. Northesk, E. Northfield, L. Norton, L. Norwich, Bp. O’Cathain, B. Ogmore, L. Onslow, E. Oxford, Bp. Palmer, L. Park of Monmouth, B. Parkinson, L. Paul, L. Pearson of Rannoch, L. |
Pender, L. Perry of Walton, L. Peston, L. Peyton of Yeovil, L. Pike, B. Pilkington of Oxenford, L. Plant of Highfield, L. Platt of Writtle, B. Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L. Porter of Luddenham, L. Prior, L. Prys-Davies, L. Pym, L. Quirk, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Rathcavan, L. Rawlings, B. Rawlinson of Ewell, L. Rea, L. Reay, L. Redesdale, L. Rees, L. Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L. Renton, L. Renton of Mount Harry, L. Renwick, L. Richard, L. Ripon, Bp. Robson of Kiddington, B. Rochester, L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Rotherwick, L. Rowallan, L. Russell, E. Ryder of Warsaw, B. Sainsbury, L. St. Davids, V. St. John of Bletso, L. St. John of Fawsley, L. Saint Levan, L. Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly. Sandwich, E. Seccombe, B. Sefton of Garston, L. Sempill, L. Shannon, E. Sharples, B. Shaughnessy, L. Shaw of Northstead, L. Shepherd, L. Shore of Stepney, L. Simon, V. Simon of Glaisdale, L. Simon of Highbury, L. Skelmersdale, L. Skidelsky, L. Slim, V. Smith of Gilmorehill, B. |
Southwell, Bp. Stallard, L. Stanley of Alderley, L. Stewartby, L. Stodart of Leaston, L. Stoddart of Swindon, L. Strabolgi, L. Strafford, E. Strange, B. Strathcarron, L. Strathclyde, L. Strathcona and Mount Royal, L. Sudeley, L. Swansea, L. Swinfen, L. Swinton, E. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Taverne, L. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Taylor of Gryfe, L. Taylor of Warwick, L. Tenby, V. Teviot, L. Teynham, L. Thomas of Gresford, L. Thomas of Gwydir, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thomson of Monifieth, L. Thurlow, L. Thurso, V. Tope, L. Trefgarne, L. Trumpington, B. Tugendhat, L. Ullswater, V. Vivian, L. Waddington, L. Wade of Chorlton, L. Wakefield, Bp. Wakeham, L. Wallace of Saltaire, L. Walpole, L. Walton of Detchant, L. Waterford, M. Waverley, V. Weatherill, L. Wedderburn of Charlton, L. Westbury, L. Whaddon, L. Wharton, B. Whitty, L. Wigoder, L. Wilberforce, L. Williams of Crosby, B. Williams of Elvel, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Winchilsea and Nottingham, E. Wright of Richmond, L. Young, B. Younger of Prestwick, L. |
PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Norwich.
| 1. | Bishop of Wakefield—Nigel Simeon Lord Bishop of Wakefield was introduced between the Lord Bishop of Norwich and the Lord Bishop of Hereford; and took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute. |
| 2. | Lord Newby—Richard Mark Newby Esquire OBE, having been created Baron Newby, of Rothwell in the County of West Yorkshire, for life by Letters Patent dated in the forenoon of 25th September 1997 (see appendix 1), was introduced between the Lord Harris of Greenwich |
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| and the Lord Thomson of Monifieth, the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod and Garter King of Arms preceding; and took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute. |
| 3. | Lord Hardy of Wath—Peter Hardy Esquire, having been created Baron Hardy of Wath, of Wath upon Dearne in the County of South Yorkshire, for life by Letters Patent dated in the forenoon of 27th September 1997 (see appendix 2), was introduced between the Lord Kirkhill and the Lord Merlyn-Rees, the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod and Garter King of Arms preceding; and took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute. |
| 4. | Lord Hughes of Woodside—Robert Hughes Esquire, having been created Baron Hughes of Woodside, of Woodside in the City of Aberdeen, for life by Letters Patent dated in the afternoon of 27th September 1997 (see appendix 3), was introduced between the Lord Kirkhill and the Lord Carmichael of Kelvingrove, the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod and Garter King of Arms preceding; and made and subscribed the solemn affirmation pursuant to statute. |
Judicial Business
| 5. | Kelley (A.P.) (Petitioner) v. Corston (Respondent)—The petition of Lindsey Ann Kelley praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. The petitioner’s legal aid certificate was lodged. |
| 6. | Baker (suing on his own behalf and on behalf of other members of Syndicate 947 at Lloyd’s since 1957) (Appellant) v. Black Sea & Baltic General Insurance Company Limited (Respondents)—The petition of the appellant (lodged 8th October) praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 31st October next (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed. |
Papers
| 7. | Command Papers—The following papers were presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table: |
| 1. | Drugs—Agreement between the United Kingdom and Chile concerning Mutual Assistance in relation to Illicit Trafficking in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic substances; |
| (3775) |
| 2. | European Communities—Framework Agreement for Trade and Co-operation between the European Community and Korea. |
| (3770) |
| 8. | Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table: |
| 1. | National Health Service (General Medical Services) Amendment (No. 3) Regulations 1997, laid under the National Health Service Act 1977; |
| (2468) |
| 2. | Police Authorities (Standing Orders) Regulations 1997, laid under the Local Government and Housing Act 1989. |
| (2416) |
Select Committee Reports
| 9. | Delegated Powers and Deregulation—The following report from the Select Committee was made and ordered to be printed: |
5th Report, on the following bills:
| Ministerial and Other Salaries Bill |
| British Nationality (St Helena) Bill [HL] |
| Succession to the Crown Bill [HL]. (HL Paper 27) |
| 10. | Procedure of the House—The First Report from the Select Committee was made (see appendix 4); it was ordered that the Report be printed. (HL Paper 28) |
Public Business
| 11. | Competition Bill [HL]—A bill to make provision about competition and the abuse of a dominant position in the market; to confer powers in relation to investigations conducted in connection with Article 85 or 86 of the treaty establishing the European Community; to amend the Fair Trading Act 1973 in relation to information required by the Director General of Fair Trading with respect to monopoly situations; to make provision with respect to the meaning of “supply of services” in the Fair Trading Act 1973; and for connected purposes, was presented by the Lord Simon of Highbury, read a first time and ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 33) |
| 12. | Land use in the countryside (Short debate)—It was moved by the Earl of Lytton that there be laid before the House papers relating to land use in the countryside and to the demands placed on it by society; after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn. |
| 13. | Pensions (Short debate)—It was moved by the Earl of Buckinghamshire that there be laid before the House papers relating to the case for greater pension provision; after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn. |
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| 14. | Colombia—The Viscount Waverley asked Her Majesty’s Government what support or encouragement they are giving to the state of Colombia in dealing with its internal political and security situation; after debate, the question was answered by the Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean. |
The House was adjourned at ten minutes before ten o’clock
till tomorrow, two o’clock for judicial business,
three o’clock for public business.
APPENDIX 1
ELIZABETH THE SECOND by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith To all Lords Spiritual and Temporal and all other Our Subjects whatsoever to whom these Presents shall come Greeting Know Ye that We of Our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion in pursuance of the Life Peerages Act 1958 and of all other powers in that behalf Us enabling do by these Presents advance create and prefer Our trusty and well beloved Richard Mark Newby Esquire Officer of Our Most Excellent Order of the British Empire to the state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Newby of Rothwell in Our County of West Yorkshire
And for Us Our heirs and successors do appoint give and grant unto him the said name state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Newby to have and to hold unto him for his life
Willing and by these Presents granting for Us Our heirs and successors that he may have hold and possess a seat place and voice in the Parliaments and Public Assemblies and Councils of Us Our heirs and successors within Our United Kingdom amongst the Barons And also that he may enjoy and use all the rights privileges pre-eminences immunities and advantages to the degree of a Baron duly and of right belonging which Barons of Our United Kingdom have heretofore used and enjoyed or as they do at present use and enjoy
In Witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent Witness Ourself at Westminster in the forenoon of the twenty-fifth day of September in the forty-sixth year of Our Reign
BY WARRANT UNDER THE QUEEN’S SIGN MANUAL
APPENDIX 2
ELIZABETH THE SECOND by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith To all Lords Spiritual and Temporal and all other Our Subjects whatsoever to whom these Presents shall come Greeting Know Ye that We of Our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion in pursuance of the Life Peerages Act 1958 and of all other powers in that behalf Us enabling do by these Presents advance create and prefer Our trusty and well beloved Peter Hardy Esquire to the state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Hardy of Wath of Wath upon Dearne in Our County of South Yorkshire
And for Us Our heirs and successors do appoint give and grant unto him the said name state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Hardy of Wath to have and to hold unto him for his life
Willing and by these Presents granting for Us Our heirs and successors that he may have hold and possess a seat place and voice in the Parliaments and Public Assemblies and Councils of Us Our heirs and successors within Our United Kingdom amongst the Barons And also that he may enjoy and use all the rights privileges pre-eminences immunities and advantages to the degree of a Baron duly and of right belonging which Barons of Our United Kingdom have heretofore used and enjoyed or as they do at present use and enjoy
In Witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent Witness Ourself at Westminster in the forenoon of the twenty-seventh day of September in the forty-sixth year of Our Reign
BY WARRANT UNDER THE QUEEN’S SIGN MANUAL
APPENDIX 3
ELIZABETH THE SECOND by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith To all Lords Spiritual and Temporal and all other Our Subjects whatsoever to whom these Presents shall come Greeting Know Ye that We of Our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion in pursuance of the Life Peerages Act 1958 and of all other powers in that behalf Us enabling do by these Presents advance create and prefer Our trusty and well beloved Robert Hughes Esquire to the state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Hughes of Woodside of Woodside in our City of Aberdeen
And for Us Our heirs and successors do appoint give and grant unto him the said name state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Hughes of Woodside to have and to hold unto him for his life
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Willing and by these Presents granting for Us Our heirs and successors that he may have hold and possess a seat place and voice in the Parliaments and Public Assemblies and Councils of Us Our heirs and successors within Our United Kingdom amongst the Barons And also that he may enjoy and use all the rights privileges pre-eminences immunities and advantages to the degree of a Baron duly and of right belonging which Barons of Our United Kingdom have heretofore used and enjoyed or as they do at present use and enjoy
In Witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent Witness Ourself at Westminster in the afternoon of the twenty-seventh day of September in the forty-sixth year of Our Reign
BY WARRANT UNDER THE QUEEN’S SIGN MANUAL
APPENDIX 4
FIRST REPORT FROM THE SELECT COMMITTEE ON PROCEDURE OF THE HOUSE
Wednesday 15th October 1997
By the Select Committee on Procedure of the House
Ordered to Report:
1. The Ceremony of Introduction
The Committee has agreed that there should be an examination into the possibility of making changes to the ceremony on the Introduction of peers into the House. The Committee believes that the proper way of proceeding is for the Leader of the House to table a motion for an Humble Address to Her Majesty the Queen praying that Her Majesty place Her prerogative and interest at the disposal of the House for the purpose of considering alterations to the Introduction ceremony. A debate on this motion (and a vote, if desired) will give the House the opportunity to express its views.
The Committee was informed that it had been agreed through the usual channels that, on those Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays when three Introductions were scheduled to take place, the House would sit at 2.15 pm. Meetings of the House at 2.15 pm for Introductions are well precedented.
2. Implications For The Lords of The Commons Select Committe on Modernisation
The Committee took note of proposals made by the Select Committee on Modernisation of the House of Commons (HC 190 and 191) and agreed to consider at the appropriate time whether it would be desirable to make any consequential changes to Lords procedure.