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House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)


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Thursday 13 November 1997

The House met at two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Alanbrooke, V.
Alderdice, L.
Aldington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Alexander of Weedon, L.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Avebury, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Balfour, E.
Barnett, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Beaverbrook, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Beloff, L.
Berkeley, L.
Berners, B.
Bethell, L.
Biddulph, L.
Biffen, L.
Birdwood, L.
Birmingham, Bp.
Blackstone, B.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Bledisloe, V.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridgeman, V.
Brightman, L.
Brigstocke, B.
Broadbridge, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Broughshane, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Butterfield, L.
Butterworth, L.
Cadman, L.
Cadogan, E.
Caldecote, V.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Carter, L.
Cavendish of Furness, L.
Chapple, L.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chelmsford, V.
Chorley, L.

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Churston, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Coleridge, L.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
Congleton, L.
Constantine of Stanmore, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craigavon, V.
Cranborne, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Freyne, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Denbigh, E.
Denham, L.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donaldson of Kingsbridge, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Downshire, M.
Drogheda, E.
Dubs, L.
Dundee, E.
Eatwell, L.
Elibank, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Erne, E.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Ewing of Kirkford, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Feversham, L.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Gage, V.
Gainford, L.
Gallacher, L.
Garel-Jones, L.
Geraint, L.
Gillmore of Thamesfield, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gladwyn, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gormanston, V.
Goschen, V.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Greenhill of Harrow, L.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grey, E.
Griffiths of Fforestfach, L.
Habgood, L.
Hacking, L.
Haddington, E.
Hailsham of Saint Marylebone, L.
Hamwee, B.
Hankey, L.
Hardie, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardwicke, E.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harlech, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Haskel, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Healey, L.
Hemphill, L.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Howe, E.
Howell, L.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Inchyra, L.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Iveagh, E.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jeffreys, L.
Jeger, B.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Johnston of Rockport, L.
Jopling, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kilmarnock, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Knollys, V.
Lane of Horsell, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Layton, L.
Leathers, V.
Leicester, Bp.
Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Levy, L.
Lindsey and Abingdon, E.
Liverpool, E.
Lockwood, B.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Ludford, B.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
Lytton, E.
McAlpine of West Green, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
Macleod of Borve, B.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Moran, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Munster, E.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Napier of Magdâla, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.

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Nolan, L.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
Northfield, L.
Norton, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Ogmore, L.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Orme, L.
Orr-Ewing, L.
Oxford, Bp.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Pender, L.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Plumb, L.
Plunket, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Porter of Luddenham, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Pym, L.
Quinton, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rathcavan, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reading, M.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Rennell, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Renwick, L.
Renwick of Clifton, L.
Richard, L.
Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Robson of Kiddington, B.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rowallan, L.
Runciman of Doxford, V.
Russell, E.
Sainsbury of Preston Candover, L.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandwich, E.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selborne, E.
Sempill, L.
Serota, B.
Shannon, E.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Southwell, Bp.
Spens, L.
Stallard, L.
Stanley of Alderley, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stewartby, L.
Steyn, L.
Stockton, E.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strafford, E.
Strathclyde, L.
Strathcona and Mount Royal, L.
Suffolk and Berkshire, E.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tenby, V.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurlow, L.
Tope, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trenchard, V.
Turner of Camden, B.
Tweeddale, M.
Ullswater, V.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Coslany, L.
Walpole, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Wedgwood, L.
Weidenfeld, L.
Westbury, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Wilson of Tillyorn, L.
Winston, L.
Wise, L.
Young, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Birmingham.

Judicial Business

1.Regina v. Emmett and another (Respondents) (On Appeal from the Court of Appeal (Criminal Division))—The Cause was considered; it was ordered and adjudged that the Orders of the Court of Appeal (Criminal Division) of 16th February 1996 be set aside and the confiscation orders in respect of Michael Emmett and Brian Emmett of 20th December 1994 be restored, save that for the words “from today” there shall be substituted the words “from 13th November 1997”.
2.Bolitho (Administratrix of the estate of Patrick Nigel Bolitho (deceased)) (A.P.) (Appellant) and others v. City and Hackney Health Authority (Respondents)—The Report from the Appellate Committee was agreed to; it was ordered and adjudged that the Orders of the Court of Appeal of 15th December 1992 and 23rd February 1993 be affirmed and the appeal dismissed; that the costs of the respondents in this House be paid out of the Legal Aid Fund in accordance with section 18 of the Legal Aid Act 1988, such order to be suspended for four weeks to allow the Legal Aid Board to object if they wish; and that the costs of the appellant be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988.
3.Girvan (Respondent) v. Inverness Farmers’ Dairy and another (Appellants) (Scotland)—The Report from the Appellate Committee was agreed to; it was ordered and adjudged that the Interlocutor of an Extra Division of the Inner House of the Court of Session of 7th February 1996 be affirmed and the appeal dismissed with costs, the amount thereof to be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.

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4.Regina v. Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards (Respondent) ex parte Fayed (Petitioner)—The petition of Mohamed Al Fayed praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
5.Regina v. Chief Constable of Sussex (Respondent) ex parte International Trader’s Ferry Limited (Appellants)—The petition of the appellant praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 31st December next (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed.
6.Secretary of State for the Home Department (Appellant) v. Adan (Respondent)—The petition of the appellant praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 29th December next (the agents for the respondent consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed.
7.Appeal Committee—The following Orders were made pursuant to the 29th Report—

In re Kiriakos (Petitioner) (application for a Writ of Habeas Corpus)—That leave to appeal be given, and that the petition of appeal be lodged forthwith.

Loughran (Respondent) v. Northern Ireland Housing Executive (Petitioners) (Northern Ireland)—That leave to appeal be given, and that the petition of appeal be lodged by 27th November next.

Kelly (Petitioner) v. Northern Ireland Housing Executive (Respondents) (Northern Ireland)—That leave to appeal be given, and that the petition of appeal be lodged by 27th November next.

The House was adjourned during pleasure.
The House was resumed.

8.Earl Cadogan—Charles Gerald John Earl Cadogan sat first in Parliament after the death of his father, William Gerald Charles, having first taken and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute.
9.Oath—Robin Rathmore Lord Plunket took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute.

Papers

10.Affirmative Instrument—The following instrument was laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table:

Criminal Procedure and Investigations Act 1996 (Code of Practice) (Northern Ireland) Order 1997.

11.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Sheep Annual Premium (Amendment) Regulations 1997, laid under the European Communities Act 1972;
 (2500)
2.Section 7 of the Petroleum (Production) Act 1934 and Section 2(1)(a) of the Petroleum Act 1987 (Modification) Regulations 1997, laid under the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974;
 (2703)
3.Companies Act 1985 (Insurance Companies Accounts) (Minor Amendments) Regulations 1997, laid under the Companies Act 1985;
 (2704)
4.Building Societies (Prescribed Equitable Interests) Order 1997, laid under the Building Societies Act 1986.
 (2693)
12.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Report for 1996–97 of the Historic Buildings Council for Scotland, laid under the Historic Buildings and Ancient Monuments Act 1953;
2.1991 Census: Key Statistics for Urban and Rural Areas, Great Britain, laid under the Census Act 1920.
13.Instrument coming into operation before being laid—The Lord Chancellor acquainted the House that he had received, under the proviso to section 4(1) of the Statutory Instruments Act 1946, notification that the following instrument had come into operation before being laid before Parliament, with an explanation thereof; the notification and explanation were ordered to lie on the Table:

Food Protection (Emergency Prohibitions) (Dounreay Nuclear Establishment) Order 1997.

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Private Business

14.Standing Orders (Private Business)—It was moved by the Chairman of Committees that the Standing Orders relating to Private Business be amended as follows:
Amendment
No.
Standing Order 27
1.Line 74, at end insert “, Transport and the Regions”
Standing Order 27A
2.Line 23, leave out “three” and insert “four”
3.Line 24, after “Environment” insert “, Transport and the Regions”
Standing Order 29
4.Line 8, leave out “Transport” and insert “the Environment, Transport and the Regions”
Standing Order 30
5.Line 6, leave out “Energy” and insert “Trade and Industry”
Standing Order 30A
6.Line 5, after “Environment” insert “, Transport and the Regions”
Standing Order 31
7.Line 7, leave out “Transport” and insert “the Environment, Transport and the Regions”
Standing Order 32
8.Line 13, leave out “National Rivers Authority” and insert “Environment Agency”
Standing Order 33
9.Line 10, leave out “National Rivers Authority” and insert “Environment Agency”
Standing Order 34
10.Line 10, leave out “Transport” and insert “the Environment, Transport and the Regions”
Standing Order 37
11.Line 10, at end insert “, Transport and the Regions”
12.Line 17, at end insert “, Transport and the Regions”
Standing Order 39
13.Line 3, after “bill”, insert “four at the Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions”
14.Line 3, leave out “at the Department of the Environment and”
15.Line 9, leave out “of National Heritage” and insert “for Culture, Media and Sport”
16.Line 9, leave out “the Department of Transport”
17.Line 35, leave out “Great George Street” and insert “Whitehall”
Standing Order 42
18.Line 8, leave out “National Rivers Authority” and insert “Environment Agency”
Standing Order 43
19.Line 8, leave out “National Rivers Authority” and insert “Environment Agency”
Standing Order 45
20.Line 17, leave out “Transport” and insert “the Environment, Transport and the Regions”
Standing Order 47
21.Line 11, after “Environment” insert “, Transport and the Regions”
Standing Order 139
22.Line 12, leave out “Transport” and insert “the Environment, Transport and the Regions”
23.Line 26, leave out “Transport” and insert “the Environment, Transport and the Regions”

the motion was agreed to; it was ordered that the amendments be printed. (HL Paper 34)

Public Business

15.Competition Bill [HL]—The House resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; an amendment was agreed to; the House was resumed.
16.Public Processions etc. (Northern Ireland) Bill [HL]—The bill was reported from a Grand Committee with an amendment; it was ordered that the bill be printed as amended. (HL Bill 44)
17.Fishing Vessels (Decommissioning) Scheme 1997—It was moved by the Lord Carter that the Scheme laid before the House on 5th August be approved; after debate, the motion was agreed to.

The House was adjourned during pleasure.
The House was resumed.

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18.Competition Bill [HL]—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; amendments were agreed to; the House was resumed after Schedule 6 stood part.

The House was adjourned at twenty-five minutes before eleven o’clock
to Monday next, a quarter-past two o’clock.


APPENDIX

PROCEEDINGS OF THE GRAND COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE IN THE MOSES ROOM ON THE PUBLIC PROCESSIONS ETC. (NORTHERN IRELAND) BILL [HL]

The Committee met at half-past three o’clock.

The Deputy Chairman of Committees (Lord Brougham and Vaux) was in the Chair.

Amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; an amendment was agreed to; it was ordered that the bill be reported with an amendment.