House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)

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Tuesday 25 November 1997

The House met at a half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Abercorn, D.
Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ailsa, M.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Arran, E.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Avebury, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Barnett, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Bellwin, L.
Beloff, L.
Belstead, L.
Berkeley, L.
Berners, B.
Bethell, L.
Biddulph, L.
Biffen, L.
Birdwood, L.
 Birmingham, Bp.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Boyd-Carpenter, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bradford, Bp.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridgeman, V.
Bridges, L.
Brightman, L.
Broadbridge, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brookes, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Buckinghamshire, E.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Butterfield, L.
Butterworth, L.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Caldecote, V.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Calverley, L.
 Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carew, L.
Carlisle, Bp.
Carlisle, E.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnarvon, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carter, L.
Carver, L.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.
Chapple, L.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chesham, L.
Chichester, Bp.
Chorley, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Coleridge, L.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
Cooke of Islandreagh, L.
Cooke of Thorndon, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Cornwallis, L.
Courtown, E.
Cowdrey of Tonbridge, L.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.

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Craigavon, V.
Cranborne, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Croham, L.
Crook, L.
Cross, V.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Dahrendorf, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Freyne, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Denbigh, E.
Denham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Desai, L.
Devonport, V.
Dholakia, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donaldson of Kingsbridge, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Downshire, M.
Dundonald, E.
Eatwell, L.
Eden of Winton, L.
Effingham, E.
Elibank, L.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Ely, Bp.
Enniskillen, E.
Erne, E.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Exeter, Bp.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Feldman, L.
Fisher of Rednal, B.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Forbes, L.
Forester, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gainford, L.
Gainsborough, E.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Geraint, L.
Gilmour of Craigmillar, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Glenamara, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
 Goschen, V.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Granard, E.
Grantchester, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grey, E.
Hampton, L.
Hankey, L.
Hardie, L.
Hardwicke, E.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harlech, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Haskel, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Healey, L.
Hemphill, L.
Henderson of Brompton, L.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Howe, E.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Tanworth, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Inchyra, L.
Ingleby, V.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Iveagh, E.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jauncey of Tullichettle, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeger, B.
Jellicoe, E.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Johnston of Rockport, L.
Jopling, L.
Judd, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kennet, L.
Kenyon, L.
Keyes, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kilmarnock, L.
Kimball, L.
King of Wartnaby, L.
Kingsland, L.
 Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Kitchener, E.
Knollys, V.
Lang of Monkton, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Layton, L.
Leathers, V.
Leicester, Bp.
Leigh, L.
Lichfield, Bp.
Lincoln, Bp.
Lindsay, E.
Lindsey and Abingdon, E.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Liverpool, E.
Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
London, Bp.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lovell-Davis, L.
Lowry, L.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Ludford, B.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
Macclesfield, E.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Malmesbury, E.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Methuen, L.
Middleton, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Moore of Wolvercote, L.
Moran, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.

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Morris of Manchester, L.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moyne, L.
Munster, E.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Napier of Magdâla, L.
Naseby, L.
Nathan, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Norwich, Bp.
O’Cathain, B.
Ogmore, L.
Oliver of Aylmerton, L.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Orme, L.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Parry, L.
Patten, L.
Paul, L.
Peel, E.
Pender, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Ellesmere, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rathcavan, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rawlinson of Ewell, L.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
 Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Rennell, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Renwick, L.
Richard, L.
Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Robson of Kiddington, B.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Romney, E.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Runcie, L.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Sainsbury, L.
Saint Albans, D.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Sandberg, L.
Sandwich, E.
Savile, L.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Sempill, L.
Serota, B.
Sewel, L.
Shannon, E.
Sharples, B.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Shuttleworth, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Slim, V.
Smith, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soper, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Spens, L.
 Stallard, L.
Stanley of Alderley, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stockton, E.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strafford, E.
Strathcarron, L.
Sudeley, L.
Suffolk and Berkshire, E.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thurlow, L.
Thurso, V.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trumpington, B.
Tugendhat, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Tweeddale, M.
Ullswater, V.
Verulam, E.
Vivian, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Walpole, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Westbury, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitelaw, V.
Whitty, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Wise, L.
Woolf, L.
Young, B.
Young of Dartington, L.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Exeter.

1.Bishop of Bradford—David James Lord Bishop of Bradford was introduced between the Lord Bishop of Norwich and the Lord Bishop of Ely; and took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute.
2.Oath—John Duncan Earl of Verulam took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute.

Judicial Business

3.Krol (A.P.) (Appellant) v. Craig (Respondent) (Scotland)—The appeal of Irene Krol was presented and it was ordered that in accordance with Standing Order VI the statement and appendix thereto be lodged on or before 6th January next. The appellant’s legal aid certificate was lodged.

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4.Loughran (Respondent) v. Northern Ireland Housing Executive (Appellants) (Northern Ireland)—The appeal of the Northern Ireland Housing Executive was presented and it was ordered that in accordance with Standing Order VI the statement and appendix thereto be lodged on or before 6th January next.
5.Kelly (Appellant) v. Northern Ireland Housing Executive (Respondents) (Northern Ireland)—The appeal of Bernadette Kelly was presented and it was ordered that in accordance with Standing Order VI the statement and appendix thereto be lodged on or before 6th January next; it was also ordered that the appellant be allowed to prosecute the appeal without giving the usual security for costs as required by Standing Order.

Papers

6.Command Paper—The following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:

Finance—Securing Britain’s Long-Term Economic Future: Pre-Budget Report November 1997.

(3804)

7.Affirmative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Draft Non-Domestic Rating (Chargeable Amounts) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 1997;
2.Draft Activity Centres (Young Persons’ Safety) (Northern Ireland) Order 1997;
3.Draft Museums and Galleries (Northern Ireland) Order 1997.
8.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.National Health Service (Vocational Training) Amendment Regulations 1997, laid under the National Health Service Act 1977;
 (2787)
2.Relocation Grants Regulations 1997, laid under the Housing Grants, Construction and Regeneration Act 1996.
 (2764)
9.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions (Non-Effective Benefits and Family Pensions) Order 1997, laid under the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act 1865;
2.Report for 1996–97 of the Countryside Council for Wales, Volume II: Digest of Statistics, laid under the Environmental Protection Act 1990.

Private Business

10.London Local Authorities Bill [HL]—The petition against the bill from the Post Office (No. 2) was withdrawn.

Select Committee Reports

11.European Communities—The following Reports from the Select Committee were made and ordered to be printed:

Evidence by the Minister of State, Foreign and Commonwealth Office, on the Amsterdam Treaty; (9th Report—HL Paper 40)

The Financial Consequences of Enlargement. (10th Report—HL Paper 41)

12.Statutory Instruments—The 14th Report from the Joint Committee was made on certain statutory instruments, including the following affirmative instruments:
 Criminal Procedure and Investigations Act 1996 (Code of Practice) (Northern Ireland) Order 1997;
 Mink Keeping Order 1997;
 Draft European Communities (Definition of Treaties) (Partnership and Co-operation Agreement between the European Communities and their Member States and the Republic of Azerbaijan) Order 1997;
 Draft European Communities (Definition of Treaties) (Partnership and Co-operation Agreement between the European Communities and their Member States and Georgia) Order 1997;
 Draft European Communities (Definition of Treaties) (Partnership and Co-operation Agreement between the European Communities and their Member States and the Republic of Armenia) Order 1997;
 Draft European Communities (Definition of Treaties) (Partnership and Co-operation Agreement between the European Communities and their Member States and the Republic of Uzbekistan) Order 1997;

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 Draft European Communities (Definition of Treaties) Partnership and Co-operation Agreement between the European Communities and their Member States and the Republic of Slovenia) Order 1997;
 Draft Child Support (Miscellaneous Amendments) Regulations 1997;
 Draft European Communities (Immunities and Privileges of the European Police Office) Order 1997;
 Draft European Communities (Definition of Treaties) (European Police Office) Order 1997;
 Draft OSPAR Commission (Immunities and Privileges) Order 1997;
 Draft Channel 4 (Application of Excess Revenues) Order 1997;
 Draft Road Traffic (Vehicle Emissions) (Fixed Penalty) Regulations 1997;
 it was ordered that the Report be printed. (HL Paper 42)

Public Business

13.Competition Bill [HL]—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the House was resumed for a statement; the House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; amendments were agreed to; the House was resumed.
14.Supreme Court (Offices) Bill—It was moved by the Lord Chancellor that the bill be now read a second time; after debate, the motion was agreed to and the bill was committed to a Committee of the Whole House.
15.Competition Bill [HL]—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were agreed to; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the question that a clause stand part of the bill was negatived; the House was resumed and the bill was reported with amendments; it was ordered that the bill be printed as amended. (HL Bill 46)

The House was adjourned at twenty-two minutes past eleven o’clock
till tomorrow, half-past two o’clock.