House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)

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Wednesday 26 November 1997

The House met at a half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Abercorn, D.
Aberdare, L.
Abinger, L.
Ackner, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ailsa, M.
Alderdice, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alport, L.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Arran, E.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor of Hever, L.
Avebury, L.
 Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Barber of Tewkesbury, L.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Bellwin, L.
Beloff, L.
Belstead, L.
Berners, B.
Bethell, L.
Biddulph, L.
Biffen, L.
Birdwood, L.
Birmingham, Bp.
Blackstone, B.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Bledisloe, V.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
 Boyd-Carpenter, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridge of Harwich, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Bridges, L.
Brightman, L.
Brigstocke, B.
Broadbridge, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brookes, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Buckinghamshire, E.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Butterworth, L.
Cadman, L.
Caldecote, V.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Calverley, L.

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Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carew, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnarvon, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Carter, L.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chesham, L.
Chichester, Bp.
Chorley, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clinton, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Coleridge, L.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
Cooke of Islandreagh, L.
Cooke of Thorndon, L.
Courtown, E.
Cowdrey of Tonbridge, L.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Cranborne, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Croham, L.
Cross, V.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Dahrendorf, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies, L.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Freyne, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Denbigh, E.
Denham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Devonport, V.
Dholakia, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon, L.
Donaldson of Kingsbridge, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Downshire, M.
Dundonald, E.
Eames, L.
Eccles of Moulton, B.
Effingham, E.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Enniskillen, E.
Erne, E.
Erroll, E.
 Evans of Parkside, L.
Exeter, Bp.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Fisher of Rednal, B.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Freyberg, L.
Gainford, L.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Glenamara, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Goschen, V.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grantchester, L.
Grantley, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenhill of Harrow, L.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grey, E.
Hailsham of Saint Marylebone, L.
Hambro, L.
Hamilton of Dalzell, L.
Hampton, L.
Hamwee, B.
Hardwicke, E.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harlech, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of High Cross, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Healey, L.
Hemphill, L.
Henderson of Brompton, L.
Henley, L.
Hereford, Bp.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Howe, E.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
 Hunt of Tanworth, L.
Hussey of North Bradley, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Inge, L.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Iveagh, E.
Jacobs, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Johnston of Rockport, L.
Jopling, L.
Judd, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kilmarnock, L.
Kimball, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Knollys, V.
Laing of Dunphail, L.
Lane of Horsell, L.
Lang of Monkton, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Layton, L.
Leathers, V.
Leicester, Bp.
Leigh, L.
Lestor of Eccles, B.
Lewis of Newnham, L.
Lichfield, Bp.
Lindsey and Abingdon, E.
Liverpool, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lowry, L.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Ludford, B.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McCarthy, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
Macfarlane of Bearsden, L.
McFarlane of Llandaff, B.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
Macleod of Borve, B.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Macpherson of Drumochter, L.
Maddock, B.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.

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Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Methuen, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Kenwood, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Naseby, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norfolk, D.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
Norwich, Bp.
Ogmore, L.
Oliver of Aylmerton, L.
Onslow of Woking, L.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Orme, L.
Orr-Ewing, L.
Oxford, Bp.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Parry, L.
Paul, L.
 Pender, L.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Porter of Luddenham, L.
Prentice, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Pym, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rawlinson of Ewell, L.
Rea, L.
Reading, M.
Rees, L.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Renton, L.
Renwick, L.
Richard, L.
Ripon, Bp.
Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Robertson of Oakridge, L.
Robson of Kiddington, B.
Rochester, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Saint Albans, D.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Sandwich, E.
Savile, L.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selborne, E.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Sempill, L.
Shannon, E.
Sharples, B.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
 Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Slim, V.
Smith, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Stafford, L.
Stallard, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strafford, E.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Sudeley, L.
Suffolk and Berkshire, E.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Temple of Stowe, E.
Tenby, V.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thurlow, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trumpington, B.
Turner of Camden, B.
Ullswater, V.
Vivian, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Walker of Worcester, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walpole, L.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Weidenfeld, L.
Westbury, L.
Whaddon, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitelaw, V.
Whitty, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Wilson of Tillyorn, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Wise, L.
Woolton, E.
Young, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Exeter.

Judicial Business

1.Clare (Appellant) v. Mirror Group Newspapers and others (Respondents)—The petition of appeal having been dismissed in accordance with Standing Order V, the petition of the appellant praying that the appeal be restored without giving security for costs (the agents for the respondents not consenting thereto) was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
2.Appeal Committee—The 34th Report from the Appeal Committee was agreed to and the following Order was made—

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Fuji Finance Inc. (Appellants) v. Aetna Life Insurance Company Limited and others (Respondents)—That the petition of the Secretary of State for Trade and Industry praying that he might be heard or otherwise intervene in the said appeal be allowed.

Papers

3.Command Paper—The following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:

European Communities—Convention determining the State responsible for examining applications for asylum lodged in one of the Member States of the European Communities.

(3806)

4.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Grants for School Improvements (Scotland) Regulations 1997, laid under the Education (Scotland) Act 1980;
 (2790)
2.Police Cadets (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 1997, laid under the Police (Scotland) Act 1967;
 (2791)
3.National Health Service (Vocational Training for General Medical Practice) Regulations 1997, laid under the European Communities Act 1972;
 (2817)
4.Education (School Performance Information) (England) (Amendment) (No. 3) Regulations 1997, laid under the Education Act 1996.
 (2816)
5.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Report and Accounts for 1996–97 of the London Regional Passengers Committee, laid under the London Regional Transport Act 1984;
2.Accounts for 1996–97 of the Health and Safety Commission and the Health and Safety Executive, together with the report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974.
6.Instrument coming into operation before being laid—The Lord Chancellor acquainted the House that he had received, under the proviso to section 4(1) of the Statutory Instruments Act 1946, notification that the following instrument had come into operation before being laid before Parliament, with an explanation thereof; the notification and explanation were ordered to lie on the Table:

Protection of Wrecks (Designation No. 4) Order 1997.

(2536)

Select Committee Reports

7.Delegated Powers and Deregulation—The following reports from the Select Committee were made and ordered to be printed:

7th Report, on the following bills:

 Education (Student Loans) Bill
 Supreme Court (Offices) Bill. (HL Paper 43)

8th Report, on the following draft deregulation order:

 Deregulation (Licence Transfers) Order 1997. (HL Paper 44)

Public Business

8.Chronic Fatigue Syndrome—The petition of Mrs. Doris Jones, praying that this House will take note of the petition organised by Fighting for Truth which calls for the rejection and withdrawal of the Royal Colleges’ Report on Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CR 54) and further praying that this House will call upon Her Majesty’s Government to review the scientific evidence upon which diagnosis and treatment of M.E. are based was presented by the Countess of Mar and ordered to lie on the Table.
9.Teaching and Higher Education Bill [HL]—A bill to make provision for the establishment of General Teaching Councils for England and Wales and with respect to the registration, qualifications and training of teachers and the inspection of such training; to make new provision with respect to grants and loans to students in higher or further education and fees payable by them, and provision with respect to the funding of higher education institutions in respect of expenditure of connected institutions; to enable young persons to have time off work for study or training; and for connected purposes was presented by the Baroness Blackstone, read a first time and ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 47)
10.Local Government (Experimental Arrangements) Bill [HL]—A bill to enable local authorities to operate experimental arrangements with respect to the way in which they take decisions, including arrangements with respect to elected mayors and the discharge of functions by single members of authorities; and for connected purposes was presented by the Lord Hunt of Tanworth, read a first time and ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 48)

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11.Sport in schools (Short debate)—It was moved by the Lord McNally that there be laid before the House papers relating to the importance of sport in schools; after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn.
12.Gibraltar (Short debate)—It was moved by the Lord Bethell that there be laid before the House papers relating to the problems faced by the inhabitants of Gibraltar; after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn.
13.Business Improvement Districts Bill [HL]—It was moved by the Lord Jenkin of Roding that the bill be now read a second time; after debate, the motion was agreed to and the bill was committed to a Committee of the Whole House.

The House was adjourned at twenty-two minutes past eight o’clock till tomorrow,
two o’clock for judicial business,
three o’clock for public business.