House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)

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Wednesday 10 December 1997

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Airlie, E.
Aldington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alport, L.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
 Arran, E.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor of Hever, L.
Avebury, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Banbury of Southam, L.
Barber, L.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Beaverbrook, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Beloff, L.
Belstead, L.
Berkeley, L.
Berners, B.
Bethell, L.
Biddulph, L.
 Birdwood, L.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Bledisloe, V.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Boyd-Carpenter, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bradford, E.
Brain, L.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridge of Harwich, L.
Bridges, L.
Brightman, L.
Bristol, Bp.

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Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brookes, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Butterworth, L.
Cadman, L.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Carrick, E.
Carter, L.
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Chalfont, L.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chelmsford, V.
Chesham, L.
Chorley, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Coleridge, L.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
Cooke of Islandreagh, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Cranborne, V.
Cranbrook, E.
Crickhowell, L.
Cross, V.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies, L.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Ramsey, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Deedes, L.
Denbigh, E.
Denham, L.
Desai, L.
Devonport, V.
Devonshire, D.
Dholakia, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon, L.
 Dixon-Smith, L.
Donegall, M.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Eatwell, L.
Eccles of Moulton, B.
Elibank, L.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Ewing of Kirkford, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Feldman, L.
Ferrers, E.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Flowers, L.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gage, V.
Gainford, L.
Gainsborough, E.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gibson-Watt, L.
Gillmore of Thamesfield, L.
Gilmour of Craigmillar, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gladwyn, L.
Glanusk, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gormanston, V.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grantchester, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Griffiths of Fforestfach, L.
Hacking, L.
Haig, E.
Hailsham of Saint Marylebone, L.
Halifax, E.
Hampton, L.
Hamwee, B.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardinge of Penshurst, L.
Hardwicke, E.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harlech, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L.
Hattersley, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
 Hemphill, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hindlip, L.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hooson, L.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Hothfield, L.
Howe, E.
Howell, L.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Tanworth, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Huntingdon, E.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ingleby, V.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Jacobs, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jellicoe, E.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Johnston of Rockport, L.
Jopling, L.
Judd, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kennet, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kilmarnock, L.
Kilpatrick of Kincraig, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Knights, L.
Knollys, V.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Leathers, V.
Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Lestor of Eccles, B.
Lincoln, Bp.
Lindsay, E.
Lindsey and Abingdon, E.
Liverpool, E.
Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E.
Lloyd-Webber, L.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lowry, L.
Lucas, L.

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Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
Lytton, E.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
Mackintosh of Halifax, V.
Macleod of Borve, B.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlborough, D.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milverton, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Moore of Wolvercote, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Naseby, L.
Nathan, L.
Nelson, E.
Nelson of Stafford, L.
Newall, L.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norfolk, D.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
Ogmore, L.
Oliver of Aylmerton, L.
Onslow of Woking, L.
Orme, L.
Orr-Ewing, L.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
 Parry, L.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Pender, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Ellesmere, L.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Porter of Luddenham, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Pym, L.
Quinton, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Renton, L.
Renwick, L.
Richard, L.
Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Robson of Kiddington, B.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Russell, E.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Sainsbury, L.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandberg, L.
Sandwich, E.
Savile, L.
Scanlon, L.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selborne, E.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Sempill, L.
Shannon, E.
Sharples, B.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Shrewsbury, E.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Slim, V.
Smith, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
 Southwell, Bp.
Spens, L.
Stallard, L.
Stanley of Alderley, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strafford, E.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Strathcona and Mount Royal, L.
Sudeley, L.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tebbit, L.
Tenby, V.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurlow, L.
Thurso, V.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trumpington, B.
Turner of Camden, B.
Tweeddale, M.
Ullswater, V.
Vinson, L.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Waterford, M.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Westbury, L.
Westmorland, E.
Whaddon, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitelaw, V.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Windlesham, L.
Winston, L.
Wise, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Young, B.
Young of Old Scone, B.

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PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Lincoln.

1.Lord Glanusk—Christopher Russell Lord Glanusk sat first in Parliament after the death of his father, David Russell Lord Glanusk, having first taken and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute.
2.Leave of Absence—Leave of absence was granted to the Lord Chancellor for Thursday 18th December.
3.Summer Time Order 1997—The Queen’s answer to the Address of 24th November was delivered by the Lord Chamberlain (Earl of Airlie) and read as follows:

I have received your address praying that the Summer Time Order 1997 be made in the form of the draft laid before your House.

I will comply with your request.

Judicial Business

4.Regina v. Elmbridge Borough Council (Respondents) ex parte Activeoffice Limited (Petitioners)—The petition of Activeoffice Limited praying for leave to appeal in accordance with the Administration of Justice Act 1960 was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
5.Hollis (Respondent) v. Dudley Metropolitan Borough Council (Petitioners)—The petition of Dudley Metropolitan Borough Council praying for leave to appeal in accordance with the Administration of Justice Act 1960 was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
6.Probert (Respondent) v. Dudley Metropolitan Borough Council (Petitioners)—The petition of Dudley Metropolitan Borough Council praying for leave to appeal in accordance with the Administration of Justice Act 1960 was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.

Papers

7.Command Papers—The following papers were presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Science and Technology—Convention between the United Kingdom, France and Germany concerning Scientific Personnel at the Max von Laue-Paul Langevin Institute;
 (3821)
2.Railways—Consolidated Text of the Convention concerning International Carriage by Rail (COTIF);
 (3812)
3.Mental Incapacity—“Who Decides? Making Decisions on behalf of Mentally Incapacitated Adults”; Government consultation document;
 (3803)
4.Prisons—Government Reply to the 2nd Report of the House of Commons Home Affairs Committee, Session 1996–97, on the Management of the Prison Service (Public and Private).
 (3810)
8.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Education (Particulars of Independent Schools) Regulations 1997, laid under the Education Act 1996;
 (2918)
2.National Health Service (Pilot Schemes-Health Service Bodies) Regulations 1997, laid under the National Health Service (Primary Care) Act 1997;
 (2929)
3. (i)European Specialist Medical Qualifications Amendment Regulations 1997—(2928)
(ii)Telecommunications (Interconnection) Regulations 1997—(2931)
(iii)Telecommunications (Licensing) Regulations 1997—(2930)
(iv)Telecommunications (Open Network Provision and Leased Lines) Regulations 1997—(2932)
 laid under the European Communities Act 1972;
4. (i)Community Bus (Amendment) Regulations 1997—(2917)
(ii)Minibus and Other Section 19 Permit Buses (Amendment) Regulations 1997—(2916)
 laid under the Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981;
5. (i)Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) (Amendment) (No. 5) Regulations 1997—(2915)
(ii)Motor Vehicles (Type Approval) (Great Britain) (Amendment) (No. 3) Regulations 1997—(2933)
(iii)Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) (Amendment) (No. 6) Regulations 1997—(2935)

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(iv)Motor Vehicles (Type Approval for Goods Vehicles) (Great Britain) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 1997—(2936)
(v)Motor Vehicles (Approval) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 1997—(2934)
 laid under the Road Traffic Act 1988;
6.Courses for Drink-Drive Offenders (Designation of Areas) Order 1997, laid under the Road Traffic Act 1991;
 (2913)
7. (i)Civil Aviation (Route Charges for Navigation Services) Regulations 1997—(2920)
(ii)Civil Aviation (Air Travel Organisers’ Licensing) (Second Amendment) Regulations 1997—(2912)
 laid under the Civil Aviation Act 1982;
8.Merchant Shipping (Master’s Discretion) Regulations 1997, laid under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995;
 (2886)
9.Non-Domestic Rating (Rural Settlements) (Wales) Order 1997, laid under the Local Government Finance Act 1988.
 (2885)
9.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Report for 1996–97 of the British Library, laid under the British Library Act 1972;
2.Accounts for 1996–97 of the Criminal Injuries Compensation Appeals Panel, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Criminal Injuries Compensation Act 1995;
3.3rd Report of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Administration: Selected Cases 1997–Volume 5, laid under the Parliamentary Commissioner Act 1967;
4.Report for 1996–97 of the Northern Ireland Standing Advisory Commission on Human Rights, laid under the Northern Ireland Constitution Act 1973.

Public Business

10.Late Payment of Commercial Debts (Interest) Bill [HL]—A bill to make provision with respect to interest on the late payment of certain debts arising under commercial contracts for the supply of goods or services was presented by the Lord Haskel, on behalf of Lord Clinton-Davis, read a first time and ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 54)
11.Consolidated Fund Bill—A bill to apply certain sums out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the years ending on 31st March 1998 and 1999 was brought from the Commons endorsed with the certificate of the Speaker that the bill is a money bill and was read a first time.
12.Scottish Agricultural College Order Confirmation Bill—The bill was brought from the Commons, read a first time and (pursuant to the Private Legislation Procedure (Scotland) Act 1936) deemed to have been read a second time and reported from the Committee.
13.Business of the House—It was moved by the Lord Privy Seal (Lord Richard) that the debates on the motions in the names of the Lord Crickhowell and the Lord Hindlip set down for today shall each be limited to 2½ hours; the motion was agreed to.
14.Wales (2½-hour debate)—It was moved by the Lord Crickhowell that there be laid before the House papers relating to economic and social progress in Wales and to consider the good governance of Wales within the United Kingdom; after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn.
15.International art market (2½-hour debate)—It was moved by the Lord Hindlip that there be laid before the House papers relating to the importance of London’s leading position in the international art market; after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn.
16.Mink Keeping Order 1997—It was moved by the Lord Donoughue that the Order laid before the House on 19th November be approved; after debate, the motion was agreed to.

The House was adjourned at eighteen minutes before nine o’clock
till tomorrow, three o’clock.