House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)

Previous Next Page 464 1997-98 Volume 231       Monday 26 January 1998 The House met at half-past two o’clock. The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present: Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor) Abercorn, D. Aberdare, L. Ackner, L. Acton, L. Addington, L. Addison, V. Ailesbury, M. Ailsa, M. Alderdice, L. Alexander of Tunis, E. Allenby of Megiddo, V. Amos, B. Ampthill, L. Anelay of St. Johns, B. Annaly, L. Annan, L. Archer of Sandwell, L. Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L. Arran, E. Ashbourne, L. Ashley of Stoke, L. Astor of Hever, L. Attlee, E. Avebury, L. Baker of Dorking, L. Barnett, L. Bassam of Brighton, L. Beaumont of Whitley, L. Belhaven and Stenton, L. Bellwin, L. Beloff, L. Belstead, L. Berkeley, L. Biddulph, L. Birdwood, L. Blackstone, B. Blake, L. Blatch, B. Blease, L. Bledisloe, V. Blyth, L. Boardman, L. Borrie, L. Boston of Faversham, L. Bowness, L. Brabazon of Tara, L. Braine of Wheatley, L. Bridges, L. Brightman, L. Brigstocke, B. Broadbridge, L. Brooke of Alverthorpe, L. Brooks of Tremorfa, L. Brougham and Vaux, L. Broughshane, L. Bruce of Donington, L. Burlison, L. Burnham, L. Butterworth, L. Cadman, L. Caithness, E. Callaghan of Cardiff, L. Calverley, L. Campbell of Alloway, L. Campbell of Croy, L. Carew, L. Carlisle, E. Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L. Carnegy of Lour, B. Carnock, L. Carter, L. Chalfont, L. Chalker of Wallasey, B. Chapple, L. Chesham, L. Chorley, L. Clancarty, E. Clanwilliam, E. Clark of Kempston, L. Cledwyn of Penrhos, L. Clinton-Davis, L. Cochrane of Cults, L. Cockfield, L. Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Coleraine, L. Colville of Culross, V. Colwyn, L. Constantine of Stanmore, L. Cooke of Islandreagh, L. Cooke of Thorndon, L. Cope of Berkeley, L. Courtown, E. Cowdrey of Tonbridge, L. Craig of Radley, L. Craigavon, V. Crickhowell, L. Cross, V. Cuckney, L. Cullen of Ashbourne, L. Cumberlege, B. Currie of Marylebone, L. Davidson, V. Davies of Coity, L. Davies of Oldham, L. De Freyne, L. Dean of Beswick, L. Dean of Harptree, L. Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B. Denbigh, E. Denham, L. Derwent, L. Desai, L. Dholakia, L. Diamond, L. Dixon, L. Dixon-Smith, L. Donoughue, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Dundonald, E. Eatwell, L. Eccles of Moulton, B. Elis-Thomas, L. Elles, B. Elliott of Morpeth, L. Elton, L. Erroll, E. Evans of Parkside, L. Exmouth, V. Ezra, L. Falkland, V. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Fitt, L. Flowers, L. Fookes, B. Fraser of Carmyllie, L. Freyberg, L. Gainford, L. Gallacher, L. Gardner of Parkes, B. Garel-Jones, L. Geddes, L. Geraint, L. Gilbert, L. Gladwin of Clee, L. Gladwyn, L. Glenamara, L. Glenarthur, L. Goodhart, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Gormanston, V. Gould of Potternewton, B. Gowrie, E. Gray of Contin, L. Greene of Harrow Weald, L. Greenhill of Harrow, L. Greenway, L. Grey, E. Hacking, L. Halsbury, E. Hamwee, B. Hankey, L. Harding of Petherton, L. Hardinge of Penshurst, L. Hardwicke, E. Hardy of Wath, L. Harlech, L. Harris of Greenwich, L. Harrowby, E. Haskel, L. Hattersley, L. Hayhoe, L. Hayter, L. Henderson of Brompton, L. Henley, L. Hereford, Bp. Higgins, L. Hilton of Eggardon, B. Page 465 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Holderness, L. Hollis of Heigham, B. Holme of Cheltenham, L. HolmPatrick, L. Home, E. Hooson, L. Howe, E. Howie of Troon, L. Hoyle, L. Hughes, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Hunt of Wirral, L. Hurd of Westwell, L. Hylton-Foster, B. Ironside, L. Islwyn, L. Jacobs, L. Janner of Braunstone, L. Jeffreys, L. Jeger, B. Jenkin of Roding, L. Jenkins of Hillhead, L. Jenkins of Putney, L. Johnston of Rockport, L. Jopling, L. Kennedy of The Shaws, B. Kennet, L. Kilbracken, L. Kilmarnock, L. Kimball, L. Kingsland, L. Kinloss, Ly. Kinnoull, E. Kintore, E. Knollys, V. Lang of Monkton, L. Lauderdale, E. Layton, L. Leathers, V. Leigh, L. Levy, L. Lewis of Newnham, L. Lincoln, Bp. Lindsey and Abingdon, E. Liverpool, E. Lockwood, B. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. Long, V. Longford, E. Lowry, L. Lucas, L. Lucas of Chilworth, L. Ludford, B. Lyell, L. McCarthy, L. Macclesfield, E. McColl of Dulwich, L. McConnell, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L. McNair, L. McNally, L. Maddock, B. Mallalieu, B. Mar, C. Marlesford, L. Marsh, L. Masham of Ilton, B. Mason of Barnsley, L. Massereene and Ferrard, V. Merlyn-Rees, L. Mersey, V. Meston, L. Middleton, L. Milner of Leeds, L. Milverton, L. Mishcon, L. Molloy, L. Monkswell, L. Monson, L. Montagu of Beaulieu, L. Montague of Oxford, L. Monteagle of Brandon, L. Montgomery of Alamein, V. Moore of Wolvercote, L. Moran, L. Morris of Manchester, L. Mottistone, L. Mountevans, L. Moyne, L. Moynihan, L. Munster, E. Murray of Epping Forest, L. Murton of Lindisfarne, L. Napier and Ettrick, L. Naseby, L. Nelson, E. Newby, L. Newton of Braintree, L. Nicholson of Winterbourne, B. Nicol, B. Noel-Buxton, L. Norfolk, D. Norrie, L. Northesk, E. Norton, L. O’Cathain, B. Oliver of Aylmerton, L. Orme, L. Oxfuird, V. Palmer, L. Park of Monmouth, B. Pearson of Rannoch, L. Pender, L. Perry of Southwark, B. Perry of Walton, L. Peston, L. Pilkington of Oxenford, L. Pitkeathley, B. Plant of Highfield, L. Platt of Writtle, B. Plumb, L. Porter of Luddenham, L. Prior, L. Prys-Davies, L. Pym, L. Quirk, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Rankeillour, L. Rawlings, B. Razzall, L. Rea, L. Redesdale, L. Rees, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L. Rennell, L. Renton, L. Renwick, L. Renwick of Clifton, L. Richard, L. Ripon, Bp. Rix, L. Roberts of Conwy, L. Robertson of Oakridge, L. Robson of Kiddington, B. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Rodney, L. Rogers of Riverside, L. Romney, E. Rotherwick, L. Rowallan, L. Runcie, L. Russell, E. Ryder of Wensum, L. St. Davids, V. St. John of Bletso, L. St. John of Fawsley, L. Salisbury, Bp. Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly. Sandberg, L. Sandwich, E. Scanlon, L. Seccombe, B. Sefton of Garston, L. Selborne, E. Selkirk of Douglas, L. Serota, B. Sewel, L. Shannon, E. Shaughnessy, L. Shaw of Northstead, L. Shepherd, L. Shore of Stepney, L. Simon, V. Simon of Glaisdale, L. Simon of Highbury, L. Skelmersdale, L. Skidelsky, L. Slim, V. Smith of Clifton, L. Smith of Gilmorehill, B. Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L. Spens, L. Stallard, L. Stanley of Alderley, L. Steel of Aikwood, L. Stewartby, L. Stoddart of Swindon, L. Stone of Blackheath, L. Strabolgi, L. Strange, B. Strathcarron, L. Strathclyde, L. Strathcona and Mount Royal, L. Sudeley, L. Swansea, L. Swinfen, L. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Taverne, L. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Taylor of Gryfe, L. Taylor of Warwick, L. Tebbit, L. Page 466 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top Tenby, V. Teviot, L. Teynham, L. Thomas of Gwydir, L. Thomas of Macclesfield, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thurlow, L. Thurso, V. Tombs, L. Tope, L. Tordoff, L. Torphichen, L. Trefgarne, L. Trumpington, B. Turner of Camden, B. Tweeddale, M. Ullswater, V. Varley, L. Vivian, L. Wade of Chorlton, L. Wakefield, Bp. Wakeham, L. Walker of Doncaster, L. Walker of Worcester, L. Wallace of Saltaire, L. Walton of Detchant, L. Warnock, B. Watson of Invergowrie, L. Waverley, V. Weatherill, L. Wedderburn of Charlton, L. Westbury, L. Whaddon, L. Wharton, B. Whitty, L. Wigoder, L. Wilberforce, L. Williams of Elvel, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Winchilsea and Nottingham, E. Winston, L. Wright of Richmond, L. Young, B. Young of Old Scone, B. PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Lincoln. Judicial Business 1. Regina v. Secretary of State for the Home Department and another (Respondents) ex parte Franc”ois (A.P.) (Appellant) (On Appeal from a Divisional Court of the Queen’s Bench Division)—The appeal of France Lois Franc”ois was presented and ordered to be prosecuted subject to the procedures applicable thereto. 2. Kuwait Airways Corporation and another (Appellants) v. Kuwait Insurance Company S A K and others (Respondents)—The petition of the appellants praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 9th February next (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed. 3. Total Gas Marketing Limited (Respondents) v. Arco British Limited and others (Appellants)—It was ordered that the appellants be allowed to prosecute the appeal without giving the usual security for costs as required by Standing Order. 4. Regina v. Secretary of State for the Home Department (Appellant) ex parte Fayed and another (Respondents)—The petition of the appellant praying that the appeal be withdrawn on the terms agreed between the parties and on condition that the appellant do pay to the respondents any costs incurred in respect of the petition of appeal to this House, such costs to be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed. 5. Appeal Committee—The following Orders were made pursuant to the 35th Report— Svenska International Plc (Petitioners) v. Commissioners of Customs and Excise (Respondents)—That leave to appeal be given, and that the petition of appeal be lodged by 9th February next. Hurst (Petitioner) v. Bryk and others (Respondents)—That leave to appeal be given, and that the petition of appeal be lodged by 9th February next. 6. Appeal Committee—The following Order was made pursuant to the 42nd Report— Credit Lyonnais Nederland NV (now known as Generale Bank Nederland NV) (Petitioners) v. Export Credits Guarantee Department (Respondents)—That leave to appeal be given, and that the petition of appeal be lodged by 9th February next. 7. Appeal Committee—The following Orders were made pursuant to the 46th Report— Islam (A.P.) (Petitioner) v. Secretary of State for the Home Department (Respondent)—That leave to appeal be given, and that the petition of appeal be lodged by 9th February next. Regina v. Immigration Appeal Tribunal and another (Respondents) ex parte Shah (A.P.) (Petitioner)—That leave to appeal be given, and that the petition of appeal be lodged by 9th February next. 8. Appeal Committee—The 47th Report from the Appeal Committee was agreed to and the following Order was made— Reeman (A.P.) and another (A.P.) (Petitioners) v. Department of Transport and others (Respondents)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the costs of the petitioners be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988; and that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(c) and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties. Page 467 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top Papers 9. Instrument withdrawn—The following instrument, laid before the House on 3rd November 1997, was withdrawn: Draft Carriage by Air Acts (Application of Provisions) (Fourth Amendment) Order 1997. 10. Command Papers—The following papers, having been presented to the House by command of Her Majesty on 23rd January, were ordered to lie on the Table: 1. Shipping— (i) Amendments to the International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea, adopted London, May 1990; (3845) (ii) Amendments to the International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea, adopted London, October 1988; (3848) 2. Social Security—Report by the Social Security Advisory Committee on the Jobseeker’s Allowance (Amendment) Regulations 1998 (S.I. 1998/71).   (3829) 11. Statutory Instruments (Standing Order 68)—The following statutory instruments, having been laid before the House on 23rd January, were ordered to lie on the Table: Negative Instruments 1. Feeding Stuffs (Amendment) Regulations 1998, laid under the Agriculture Act 1970;   (104) 2. (i) Prescription Only Medicines (Human Use) Amendment Order 1998— (108) (ii) Medicines (Pharmacy and General Sale-Exemption) Amendment Order 1998— (107)   laid under the Medicines Act 1968; 3. Jobseeker’s Allowance (Amendment) Regulations 1998, laid under the Jobseekers Act 1995;   (71) Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings 4. (i) National Crime Squad (Secretary of State’s Objectives) Order 1998— (109) (ii) NCIS (Secretary of State’s Objectives) Order 1998— (110)   laid under the Police Act 1997. 12. Affirmative Instrument—The following instrument was laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table: Draft Carriage by Air Acts (Application of Provisions) (Fourth Amendment) Order 1998. 13. Deregulation—The following document was laid before the House under section 3(3) of the Deregulation and Contracting Out Act 1994 and referred to the Delegated Powers and Deregulation Committee: Proposal for the Draft Deregulation (Methylated Spirits Sale by Retail) (Scotland) Order 1998. 14. Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table: 1. Licensing (Fees) (Amendment) Order 1998, laid under the Licensing Act 1964;   (115) 2. Recreational Craft (Amendment) Regulations 1998, laid under the European Communities Act 1972.   (116) 15. Paper not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following paper was laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table: Accounts for 1996–97 of the Pooling of Non-Domestic Rates and Redistribution to Local Authorities in Wales, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Local Government Finance Act 1988. Public Business 16. Teaching and Higher Education Bill [HL]—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; an amendment was agreed to; the House was resumed for a statement; the House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; an amendment was agreed to; the House was resumed and the bill was reported with amendments; it was ordered that the bill be printed as amended. (HL Bill 66) Page 468 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top 17. Bank of England Bill—A bill to make provision about the constitution, regulation, financial arrangements and functions of the Bank of England, including provision for the transfer of supervisory functions; to amend the Banking Act 1987 in relation to the provision and disclosure of information; to make provision relating to appointments to the governing body of a designated agency under the Financial Services Act 1986; to amend Schedule 5 to that Act; to make provision relating to the registration of Government stocks and bonds; to make provision about the application of section 207 of the Companies Act 1989 to bearer securities; and for connected purposes was brought from the Commons, read a first time and ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 65) 18. Welfare of Pigs (No. 2) Bill [HL]—It was moved by the Lord Beaumont of Whitley that the bill be now read a second time; then it was moved as an amendment thereto to leave out (“now”) and at the end insert (“this day six months”); after debate, the amendment was agreed to (see division list). The House was adjourned at ten minutes before nine o’clocktill tomorrow, half-past two o’clock. DIVISION WELFARE OF PIGS (No. 2) BILL [HL] It was moved by the Lord Beaumont of Whitley that the bill be now read a second time; then it was moved by the Lord Stanley of Alderley as an amendment thereto, to leave out (“now”) and at the end insert (“this day six months”); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided: Contents.............52 Not-Contents.............23 CONTENTS Anelay of St. Johns, B. Annaly, L. Astor of Hever, L. Boardman, L. Brabazon of Tara, L. Burnham, L. Cadman, L. Carnegy of Lour, B. Cope of Berkeley, L. Cross, V. Dean of Harptree, L. Dixon-Smith, L. Dundonald, E. Garel-Jones, L. Hereford, Bp. HolmPatrick, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Islwyn, L. Janner of Braunstone, L. Kimball, L. Levy, L. Lockwood, B. Lucas of Chilworth, L. Lyell, L. Macclesfield, E. McConnell, L. Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L. Middleton, L. [Teller] Montgomery of Alamein, V. Norrie, L. Northesk, E. Palmer, L. Perry of Southwark, B. Pilkington of Oxenford, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Renton, L. Roberts of Conwy, L. Rotherwick, L. Rowallan, L. Runcie, L. Seccombe, B. Selkirk of Douglas, L. Skelmersdale, L. Stanley of Alderley, L. [Teller] Stone of Blackheath, L. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Thomas of Gwydir, L. Thomas of Macclesfield, L. Ullswater, V. Wade of Chorlton, L. Watson of Invergowrie, L. Young, B. NOT-CONTENTS Addington, L. Beaumont of Whitley, L. Burlison, L. Carlisle, E. Craigavon, V. Dixon, L. Elliott of Morpeth, L. Evans of Parkside, L. Goodhart, L. Hamwee, B. Hardy of Wath, L. Harris of Greenwich, L. Kilbracken, L. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. Maddock, B. Monkswell, L. Nicol, B. [Teller] Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Russell, E. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Tope, L. [Teller] Tordoff, L. Wharton, B.