House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)


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Monday 16 February 1998

The House met at a half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Alderdice, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor of Hever, L.
Avebury, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Beaverbrook, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Bellwin, L.
Beloff, L.
Belstead, L.
Berkeley, L.
Biddulph, L.
Biffen, L.
Birdwood, L.
Blackburn, Bp.
Blackstone, B.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridgeman, V.
Bridges, L.
Brightman, L.
Brigstocke, B.
Broadbridge, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brookes, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Butterworth, L.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carew, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Carter, L.
Chalfont, L.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chelmsford, V.
Chesham, L.
Chorley, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Colville of Culross, V.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cowdrey of Tonbridge, L.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Cranborne, V.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Dahrendorf, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.

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Davidson, V.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Freyne, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Denbigh, E.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Desai, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Drogheda, E.
Effingham, E.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Ewing of Kirkford, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gage, V.
Gainford, L.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gormanston, V.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Gray, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Hacking, L.
Haig, E.
Halsbury, E.
Hamilton of Dalzell, L.
Hamwee, B.
Hardie, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardwicke, E.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L.
Haslam, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayter, L.
Henderson of Brompton, L.
Henley, L.
Hesketh, L.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Home, E.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Howe, E.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hussey of North Bradley, L.
Hutchinson of Lullington, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jeffreys, L.
Jeger, B.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Johnston of Rockport, L.
Jopling, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kennet, L.
Keyes, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kimball, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Layton, L.
Leathers, V.
Leigh, L.
Liverpool, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lovell-Davis, L.
Lowry, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Ludford, B.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
Macclesfield, E.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Macleod of Borve, B.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Malmesbury, E.
Mancroft, L.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mottistone, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Naseby, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Ogmore, L.
Onslow, E.
Orme, L.
Orr-Ewing, L.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Palumbo, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Paul, L.
Pender, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Pym, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reading, M.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rennell, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Renwick, L.
Richard, L.
Rix, L.

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Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Romney, E.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Russell, E.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Saint Albans, D.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Sempill, L.
Shannon, E.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Stallard, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strange, B.
Strathclyde, L.
Sudeley, L.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Tebbit, L.
Tenby, V.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Tombs, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trumpington, B.
Turner of Camden, B.
Ullswater, V.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warnock, B.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Westbury, L.
Whaddon, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitelaw, V.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Windlesham, L.
Winston, L.
Wise, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Blackburn.

1.Royal Assent—The Lord Chancellor notified the Queen’s Assent to the following Act:
Public Processions (Northern Ireland) Act.c. 2
2.Barony of Hotham in the Peerage of Ireland—The petition of Henry Durand Hotham claiming to have succeeded to the Barony of Hotham in the Peerage of Ireland was presented and was referred to the Lord Chancellor to consider and report upon to the House pursuant to Standing Order 76.

Judicial Business

3.Piglowska (Petitioner) v. Piglowski (Respondent)—The petition of Ewa Rozalia Piglowska praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
4.Regina v. Deegan (Petitioner)—The petition of Desmond Garcia Deegan praying for leave to appeal in accordance with the Criminal Appeal Act 1968 was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
5.Ingram and another (Appellants) v. Commissioners of Inland Revenue (Respondents)—The appeal was set down for hearing and referred to an Appellate Committee.

Papers

6.Command Paper—The following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:

Housing—Accounts for 1996–97 of the Northern Ireland Housing Executive, together with the Report of the Local Government Auditor and of the Comptroller and Auditor General.

(3858)

7.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Education (Student Loans) (Northern Ireland) Order 1998, laid under the Education (Student Loans) Act 1998;
 (258)
2.London Docklands Development Corporation (Alteration of Designated Areas) Order 1998, laid under the London Docklands Development Corporation Act 1994;
 (293)
3. (i)Sea Fishing (Enforcement of Community Quota Measures) Order 1998—(268)
(ii)Third Country Fishing (Enforcement) Order 1998—(269)
 laid under the Fisheries Act 1981;
4. (i)Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions) Act 1996 (Code of Practice) Order 1998—(312)
(ii)Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions) Act 1996 (Silent Video Recording of Interviews) Order 1998—(313)
 laid under the Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions) Act 1996.

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8.Paper not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following paper was laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:

Police (Secretary of State’s Objectives) Order 1998, laid under the Police Act 1996.

(216)

Public Business

9.European Communities (Amendment) Bill—It was moved by the Lord Whitty that the bill be now read a second time; a debate having arisen, it was moved by the Lord Beloff that the debate be adjourned; after debate, the motion was disagreed to (see division list); the debate on the original motion was resumed; then the motion was agreed to and the bill was committed to a Committee of the Whole House.
10.Ministerial statements to Parliament—The Earl of Northesk asked Her Majesty’s Government what role they anticipate the Strategic Communications Unit, launched on 14th January, will have in ensuring compliance with the requirement expressed in paragraph 27 of the Ministerial Code that “when Parliament is in session, Ministers will want to bear in mind the desire of Parliament that the most important announcements of government policy should be made, in the first instance, in Parliament”; after debate, the question was answered by the Lord McIntosh of Haringey.

The House was adjourned at twenty-four minutes past eleven o’clock
till tomorrow, half-past two o’clock.


DIVISION

EUROPEAN COMMUNITIES (AMENDMENT) BILL

It was moved by the Lord Beloff that the debate on second reading be now adjourned; which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:

Contents.............40

Not-Contents.............115

CONTENTS

Ailsa, M.
Annaly, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Beloff, L.
Boardman, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Butterworth, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Chesham, L. [Teller]
Clanwilliam, E.
Cox, B.
Davidson, V.
Ellenborough, L.
Exmouth, V.
Gisborough, L.
Gray, L.
Haig, E.
Hamilton of Dalzell, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Long, V.
McConnell, L.
Merrivale, L.
Monson, L.
Newall, L.
Northesk, E.
Onslow, E. [Teller]
Orr-Ewing, L.
Pender, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Tebbit, L.
Teviot, L.
Trumpington, B.
Vivian, L.
Westbury, L.

NOT-CONTENTS

Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Ailesbury, M.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
Ampthill, L.
Avebury, L.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Berkeley, L.
Blackburn, Bp.
Blease, L.
Bridges, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Burlison, L.
Carew, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Clancarty, E.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Dahrendorf, L.
David, B.
Desai, L.
Dixon, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Ewing of Kirkford, L.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V.
Freyberg, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Halsbury, E.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Haskel, L.
Hayter, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.

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Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hutchinson of Lullington, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor)
Islwyn, L.
Jeger, B.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Kennet, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Ludford, B.
McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller]
Mar and Kellie, E.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Monkswell, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Moyne, L.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Ogmore, L.
Paul, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Redesdale, L.
Richard, L. (Lord Privy Seal)
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Russell, E.
Russell-Johnston, L.
St. John of Bletso, L.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Stallard, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Tenby, V.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Tombs, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Wright of Richmond, L.