House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)


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Thursday 19 February 1998

The House met at three o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Alderdice, L.
Aldington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor of Hever, L.
Avebury, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Beaverbrook, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Beloff, L.
Berkeley, L.
Berners, B.
Biddulph, L.
Blackburn, Bp.
Blackstone, B.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridgeman, V.
Brightman, L.
Brigstocke, B.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Broughshane, L.
Browne-Wilkinson, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Caldecote, V.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carew, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnarvon, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.

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Carnock, L.
Carter, L.
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Chalfont, L.
Chandos, V.
Chapple, L.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chelmsford, V.
Chesham, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clifford of Chudleigh, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Coleridge, L.
Colville of Culross, V.
Cooke of Islandreagh, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Cranborne, V.
Crathorne, L.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Dacre, B.
Dahrendorf, L.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Freyne, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Denbigh, E.
Denham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Desai, L.
Diamond, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon, L.
Donegall, M.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Dundonald, E.
Eatwell, L.
Eccles of Moulton, B.
Effingham, E.
Elibank, L.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Gainford, L.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Geraint, L.
Gerard, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gladwyn, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gormanston, V.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greene of Harrow Weald, L.
Greenway, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Hacking, L.
Haddington, E.
Halsbury, E.
Hamwee, B.
Hankey, L.
Hanworth, V.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardinge of Penshurst, L.
Hardwicke, E.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harlech, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L.
Hawke, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Hayter, L.
Hemphill, L.
Henderson of Brompton, L.
Henley, L.
Hereford, Bp.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Home, E.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Howe of Aberavon, L.
Howell, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Tanworth, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hussey of North Bradley, L.
Hutchinson of Lullington, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Inchcape, E.
Inchyra, L.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Jacobs, L.
James of Holland Park, B.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jauncey of Tullichettle, L.
Jeffreys, L.
Jeger, B.
Jellicoe, E.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Judd, L.
Keith of Kinkel, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kennet, L.
Keyes, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kilmarnock, L.
Kimball, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Kitchener, E.
Laing of Dunphail, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Layton, L.
Leathers, V.
Leicester, Bp.
Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Levy, L.
Lindsey and Abingdon, E.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Liverpool, E.
Lloyd of Berwick, L.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Lovell-Davis, L.
Lowry, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Ludford, B.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Mar, C.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Mersey, V.
Meston, L.
Methuen, L.
Middleton, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Minto, E.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monk Bretton, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monson, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Moran, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mottistone, L.

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Mountevans, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Naseby, L.
Newall, L.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norrie, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Oliver of Aylmerton, L.
Onslow, E.
Orme, L.
Orr-Ewing, L.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Parkinson, L.
Paul, L.
Peel, E.
Pender, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Pike, B.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Pym, L.
Quinton, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Rennell, L.
Renwick, L.
Renwick of Clifton, L.
Richard, L.
Rix, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selborne, E.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Sempill, L.
Serota, B.
Sewel, L.
Shannon, E.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Shrewsbury, E.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Spens, L.
Stair, E.
Stallard, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stockton, E.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strange, B.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Strathcona and Mount Royal, L.
Sudeley, L.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Swinton, E.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Temple of Stowe, E.
Tenby, V.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurso, V.
Tope, L.
Trenchard, V.
Turner of Camden, B.
Tweeddale, M.
Ullswater, V.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Coslany, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walpole, L.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Westbury, L.
Whaddon, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Windlesham, L.
Wise, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Wynford, L.
Young, B.
Young of Old Scone, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Blackburn.

Judicial Business

1.Commissioners of Customs and Excise (Respondents) v. Redrow Group Plc (Appellants)—The petition of the appellants praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 2nd March next (the agents for the respondent consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed.
2.Stanley (A.P.) (Appellant) v. Director of Public Prosecutions (Respondent) (On Appeal from a Divisional Court of the Queen’s Bench Division)—
3.Director of Public Prosecutions (Appellant) v. Jackson (A.P.) (Respondent) (On Appeal from a Divisional Court of the Queen’s Bench Division)—

The petition of the appellants praying that the appeals be conjoined, and that they might have leave to lodge separate statements and cases and one appendix in respect of the two appeals; and that the respondents might have leave to lodge separate cases in respect of the two appeals and be separately represented (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed.

Papers

4.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
(i)Council Tax (Exempt Dwellings and Discount Disregards) (Amendment) Order 1998—
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(ii)Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) (Amendment) Regulations 1998—
 (295)
(iii)Council Tax (Discount Disregards) (Amendment) Regulations 1998—
 (294)
 laid under the Local Government Finance Act 1992.
5.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Direction given by the Secretary of State for Wales in accordance with section 1(9) of the Welsh Development Agency Act 1975, laid under that Act;
2.Statement by the Secretary of State for the Environment, Transport and the Regions giving notice of the salaries of members of the British Railways Board, laid under the Transport Act 1962.

Public Business

6.Lord Chancellor (Tenure of Office) (Amendment) Bill [HL]—A bill to make further provision about the law relating to the tenure of the office of Lord Chancellor by persons who are not members of the Church of England was presented by the Lord Alderdice, read a first time and ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 75)
7.Electricity Generation Bill [HL]—A bill to extend the obligation to generate electricity from certain fuel sources was presented by the Lord Ezra, read a first time and ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 76)
8.Data Protection Bill [HL]—It was moved by the Lord Williams of Mostyn that it be an instruction to the Grand Committee to whom the Data Protection Bill [HL] has been committed that they consider the bill in the following order:
Clauses 1 to 4
Schedules 1 to 4
Clauses 5 and 6
Schedule 5
Clauses 7 to 36
Schedule 7
Clauses 37 to 46
Schedule 6
Clauses 47 and 48
Schedule 8
Clauses 49 and 50
Schedule 9
Clauses 51 to 63
Schedules 10 and 11
Clause 64;

the motion was agreed to.

9.Bank of England Bill—It was moved by the Lord McIntosh of Haringey that it be an instruction to the Grand Committee to whom the Bank of England Bill has been committed that they consider the bill in the following order:
Clause 1
Schedule 1
Clauses 2 to 6
Schedule 2
Clauses 7 to 13
Schedule 3
Clauses 14 to 22
Schedule 4
Clause 23
Schedule 5
Clauses 24 to 26
Schedule 6
Clauses 27 to 37
Schedule 7
Clauses 38 to 42
Schedule 8
Clause 43
Schedule 9
Clauses 44 to 46;

the motion was agreed to.

10.Teaching and Higher Education Bill [HL]—It was moved by the Baroness Blackstone that the amendments for the Report stage be marshalled and considered in the following order:
Clause 1
Schedule 1
Clauses 2 to 29
Schedules 2 and 3;

the motion was agreed to.

11.Local Government (Experimental Arrangements) Bill [HL]—The bill was read a third time; a privilege amendment was agreed to; then the bill was passed and sent to the Commons.
12.Greater London Authority (Referendum) Bill—The Commons reasons were considered; the Lords amendments were not insisted on.
13.Competition Bill [HL]—The bill was further considered on report; amendments were agreed to; amendments were moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn; further consideration on report was adjourned after amendment 152A.
14.Late Payment of Commercial Debts (Interest) Bill [HL]—The report was received; amendments were agreed to; an amendment was moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn; it was ordered that the bill be printed as amended. (HL Bill 77)

The House was adjourned at twenty-five minutes before nine o’clock
to Monday next, half-past two o’clock.