House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)

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Monday 2 March 1998

The House met at a half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Avebury, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Beaverbrook, L.
Beloff, L.
Berkeley, L.
Berners, B.
Biddulph, L.
Biffen, L.
Birdwood, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blackwell, L.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
 Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Bridges, L.
Brightman, L.
Brigstocke, B.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Broughshane, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Buckinghamshire, E.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Butterfield, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carew, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Carrick, E.
Carrington, L.
Carter, L.
Carver, L.
Cavendish of Furness, L.
Chalfont, L.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.
Chandos, V.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chesham, L.
Chichester, Bp.
Chorley, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Cockfield, L.
 Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
Cooke of Islandreagh, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Dacre of Glanton, L.
Dahrendorf, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Freyne, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Denbigh, E.
Denham, L.
Denman, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon, L.
Donaldson of Lymington, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Dundee, E.
Dundonald, E.
Dunrossil, V.
Eatwell, L.
Elibank, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.

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Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Emerton, B.
Erne, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Feldman, L.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gainford, L.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gilmour of Craigmillar, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gladwyn, L.
Glenamara, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Greene of Harrow Weald, L.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Hacking, L.
Haddington, E.
Haig, E.
Halsbury, E.
Hamwee, B.
Hanworth, V.
Hardie, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardwicke, E.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harlech, L.
Harmsworth, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of Peckham, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayter, L.
Healey, L.
Henley, L.
Hesketh, L.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hoffmann, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollick, L.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Home, E.
Hood, V.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
 Hope of Craighead, L.
Howe, E.
Howe of Aberavon, L.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Hussey of North Bradley, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Inchcape, E.
Inchyra, L.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Jacobs, L.
Jakobovits, L.
James of Holland Park, B.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeffreys, L.
Jeger, B.
Jellicoe, E.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Johnston of Rockport, L.
Judd, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kennet, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kilmarnock, L.
Kimball, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Kirkwood, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Knollys, V.
Lane of Horsell, L.
Lang of Monkton, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Layton, L.
Leathers, V.
Leigh, L.
Lichfield, Bp.
Lindsay, E.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Liverpool, E.
Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lovell-Davis, L.
Lowry, L.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Ludford, B.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McCarthy, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
McGowan, L.
 McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
Mackintosh of Halifax, V.
Macleod of Borve, B.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Malmesbury, E.
Mancroft, L.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Mersey, V.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monkswell, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Moran, L.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Napier of Magdâla, L.
Naseby, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Nickson, L.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Nolan, L.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Northfield, L.
Norton, L.
Ogmore, L.
Onslow, E.
Onslow of Woking, L.
Orr-Ewing, L.
Oxfuird, V.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Pender, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Pike, B.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.

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Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Porter of Luddenham, L.
Prentice, L.
Prior, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Pym, L.
Quinton, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rathcavan, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reading, M.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Rennell, L.
Renton, L.
Renwick, L.
Richard, L.
Richardson, L.
Richie of Dundee, L.
Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Roll of Ipsden, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Russell, E.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Ryder of Warsaw, B.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Saint Albans, D.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
 St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saint Levan, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sanderson of Bowden, L.
Sandford, L.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Serota, B.
Sewel, L.
Shannon, E.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Spens, L.
Stair, E.
Stallard, L.
Stanley of Alderley, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strange, B.
Strathclyde, L.
Strathcona and Mount Royal, L.
Sudeley, L.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
 Tenby, V.
Teviot, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurlow, L.
Thurso, V.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trenchard, V.
Trumpington, B.
Tugendhat, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Ullswater, V.
Varley, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warnock, B.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Westbury, L.
Whaddon, L.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Windlesham, L.
Wise, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Wrottesley, L.
Wynford, L.
Young, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Ripon.

Judicial Business

1.McFarlane and another (Respondents) v. Tayside Health Board (Appellants) (Scotland)—The appeal of Tayside Health Board was presented and it was ordered that in accordance with Standing Order VI the statement and appendix thereto be lodged on or before 13th April next.
2.Regina v. Secretary of State for the Home Department (Respondents) ex parte Simms (A.P.) (Petitioner) (lodged 26th February)—The petition of Ian Simms praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. The petitioner’s legal aid certificate was lodged.
3.Regina v. Department of Agriculture for Northern Ireland (Respondents) ex parte Bignall (A.P.) (Petitioner) (Northern Ireland) (lodged 27th February)—The petition of Krystyna Bignall praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. The petitioner’s legal aid certificate was lodged.
4.Regina v. Metropolitan Police Commissioners and others (Respondents) ex parte Soper (A.P.) (Petitioner)—The Petitioner’s legal aid certificate was lodged.
5.Appeal Committee—The 56th Report from the Appeal Committee was agreed to and the following Orders were made:

Laceys Footwear (Wholesale) Limited (Respondents) v. Bowler International Freight Limited (Petitioners) and others—That leave to appeal be refused; that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(d) and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.

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Curtis (Respondent) v. Chairman of the London Rent Assessment Committee (Petitioner) and others—That the respondent be invited to lodge objections by 16th March next.

Regina v. Brent London Borough Council (Respondents) ex parte O’Malley and others (A.P.) (Petitioners)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the costs of the petitioners be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988; and that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(c) and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.

Labsystems OY and others (Respondents) v. Biohit Limited and others (Petitioners)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(d) and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.

Biotrading & Financing OY and others (Respondents) v. Biohit Limited and others (Petitioners)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(d) and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.

Baltic Insurance Group (Petitioners) v. Jordan Grand Prix Limited and others and Quay Financial Software Limited and others (Respondents) (by counter claim) and one other action—That the respondents be invited to lodge objections by 16th March next.

Bruton (A.P.) (Petitioner) v. London and Quadrant Housing Trust (Respondents)—That the respondents be invited to lodge objections by 16th March next.

Papers

6.Command Paper—The following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:

Local Government—European Charter of Local Self-Government.

(3884)

7.Affirmative Instrument—The following instrument was laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table:

Draft Northern Ireland Arms Decommissioning Act 1997 (Amnesty Period) Order 1998.

8.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Wireless Telegraphy (Licence Charges) (Amendment) Regulations 1998, laid under the Wireless Telegraphy Act 1949;
 (460)
2.Sugar Beet (Research and Education) Order 1998, laid under the Food Act 1984.
 (468)
9.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Report of the Law Commission on Legislating the Criminal Code: Corruption, laid under the Law Commissions Act 1965;
2.Report on Care in Wales for People with a Mental Illness and People with a Mental Handicap, laid under the Disabled Persons (Services, Consultation and Representation) Act 1986.

Private Business

10.London Local Authorities Bill [HL]—The petitions against the bill from British Railways Board (No. 10), London Regional Transport (No. 11) and Railtrack Plc (No. 12) were withdrawn.

Public Business

11.Teaching and Higher Education Bill [HL]—The bill was further considered on report; an amendment was disagreed to (see division list 1); amendments were moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn; amendments were agreed to; amendments were agreed to (see division lists 2 and 3); further consideration on report was adjourned.
12.Public Processions (Northern Ireland) Act 1998 (Code of Conduct) Order 1998—
13.Public Processions (Northern Ireland) Act 1998 (Procedural Rules) Order 1998—
14.Public Processions (Northern Ireland) Act 1998 (Guidelines) Order 1998— It was moved by the Lord Dubs that the draft Orders laid before the House on 23rd February be approved en bloc; after debate, the motion was agreed to.
15.Valuation and Rating (Exempted Classes) (Scotland) Order 1998—It was moved by the Lord Sewel that the draft Order laid before the House on 15th January be approved; the motion was agreed to.

The House was adjourned during pleasure.
The House was resumed.

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16.Teaching and Higher Education Bill [HL]—The bill was further considered on report; amendments were moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn; amendments were agreed to; an amendment was disagreed to (see division list 4); it was ordered that the bill be printed as amended. (HL Bill 82)

The House was adjourned at twenty minutes before midnight
till tomorrow, half-past two o’clock.

DIVISIONS

Division No. 1

TEACHING AND HIGHER EDUCATION BILL [HL]

It was moved by the Lord Tope, in Clause 16, page 11, line 6, at beginning to insert—

(“(A1) Fees in respect of tuition for any course of higher education at a publicly-funded institution shall only be payable by the student concerned where a grant in the same amount has been made available for that purpose to that student.

(A2) For the purposes of subsection (A1) above, “the student concerned” means a person whose normal place of residence for purposes other than attendance at that institution is in the United Kingdom.”);

which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:

Contents.............96

Not-Contents.............110

CONTENTS

Addington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Ashbourne, L.
Avebury, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Biffen, L.
Bridges, L.
Brigstocke, B.
Butterfield, L.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Carlisle, E.
Chesham, L.
Chichester, Bp.
Clancarty, E.
Dacre of Glanton, L.
Davidson, V.
De Freyne, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dundonald, E.
Ellenborough, L.
Ezra, L.
Geraint, L.
Gilmour of Craigmillar, L.
Glenamara, L.
Goodhart, L.
Grey, E.
Halsbury, E.
Hamwee, B.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Holderness, L.
 Holme of Cheltenham, L.
Hooson, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Jacobs, L.
Jeger, B.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kirkwood, L.
Leathers, V.
Lichfield, Bp.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Ludford, B.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Malmesbury, E.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Milverton, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Naseby, L.
Newall, L.
Newby, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Norton, L.
Ogmore, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Pender, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Pym, L.
Quinton, L.
Razzall, L.
Redesdale, L.
 Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Ritchie of Dundee, L.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Roll of Ipsden, L.
Rowallan, L.
Russell, E. [Teller]
Russell-Johnston, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Stallard, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Sudeley, L.
Swansea, L.
Taverne, L.
Teviot, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurso, V.
Tope, L. [Teller]
Tordoff, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Weatherill, L.
Wigoder, L.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Windlesham, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Wynford, L.

NOT-CONTENTS

Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Ailesbury, M.
Ampthill, L.
 Archer of Sandwell, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Berkeley, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blease, L.
 Blyth, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Burlison, L.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carter, L. [Teller]

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Chandos, V.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Craig of Radley, L.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Desai, L.
Dixon, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Gallacher, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gladwyn, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Hanworth, V.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Haskel, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
 Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Inchyra, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor)
Islwyn, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kennet, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Longford, E.
Lovell-Davis, L.
McCarthy, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller]
Mallalieu, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Monkswell, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Moyne, L.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
 Nicol, B.
Northfield, L.
Paul, L.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Richard, L. (Lord Privy Seal)
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Serota, B.
Sewel, L.
Shaughnessy, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Tenby, V.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thurlow, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Varley, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warnock, B.
Whitty, L.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.

Division No. 2

TEACHING AND HIGHER EDUCATION BILL [HL]

It was moved by the Baroness Blatch, in Clause 16, page 12, line 30, at end to insert—

(“( ) The Secretary of State shall ensure that, in any regulations made under this section in relation to any eligible student for any prescribed purpose for any academic year—

(a) the maximum amount of any loan made available to that student is no greater than half the prescribed cost of maintenance for such a student for that purpose for that year, and

(b) provision continues to be made for maintenance grants to be payable to such a student, subject to—

(i) a maximum amount of half the prescribed cost of maintenance, and

(ii) assessment of any contributions applicable in his case.”);

which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:

Contents.............143

Not-Contents.............102

CONTENTS

Ackner, L.
Ailsa, M.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Astor, V.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Beloff, L.
Berners, B.
Biddulph, L.
Biffen, L.
Blackwell, L.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Boardman, L.
Bowness, L.
Bridgeman, V.
 Brigstocke, B.
Brookeborough, V.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Burnham, L. [Teller]
Butterfield, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Cavendish of Furness, L.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.
Chesham, L.
Clanwilliam, E.
Coleraine, L.
Colwyn, L.
 Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Crickhowell, L.
Davidson, V.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Denman, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Feldman, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Geddes, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Harlech, L.
Harmsworth, L.

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Hayhoe, L.
Henley, L.
Hesketh, L.
Higgins, L.
Holderness, L.
Home, E.
Hood, V.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Howe, E.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Inchcape, E.
James of Holland Park, B.
Jeffreys, L.
Kimball, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinnoull, E.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Lane of Horsell, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Leigh, L.
Lichfield, Bp.
Liverpool, E.
Long, V.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
 Macleod of Borve, B.
Malmesbury, E.
Mancroft, L.
Marlesford, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Mersey, V.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Mottistone, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Naseby, L.
Newall, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norrie, L.
Northesk, E.
Onslow, E.
Onslow of Woking, L.
Oxfuird, V.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Pender, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Pike, B.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Prentice, L.
Prior, L.
Pym, L.
 Quinton, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Reading, M.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Rennell, L.
Renton, L.
Renwick, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Seccombe, B.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Stewartby, L.
Strange, B.
Strathclyde, L. [Teller]
Sudeley, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Trenchard, V.
Trumpington, B.
Tugendhat, L.
Ullswater, V.
Waddington, L.
Warnock, B.
Wilberforce, L.
Windlesham, L.
Wise, L.
Wynford, L.
Young, B.

NOT-CONTENTS

Acton, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Berkeley, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blease, L.
Blyth, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Burlison, L.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Chandos, V.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Desai, L.
Dixon, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Gallacher, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gladwyn, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
 Greene of Harrow Weald, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Hanworth, V.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Haskel, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hollick, L.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor)
Islwyn, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeger, B.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kennet, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kilmarnock, L.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Longford, E.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mallalieu, B.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Monkswell, L.
 Montague of Oxford, L.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Nicol, B.
Northfield, L.
Peston, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Richard, L. (Lord Privy Seal)
Serota, B.
Sewel, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thurlow, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Varley, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Whitty, L. [Teller]
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.

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Division No. 3

TEACHING AND HIGHER EDUCATION BILL [HL]

It was moved by the Lord Mackay of Ardbrecknish, in Clause 16, page 12, line 30, at end to insert—

(“( ) Regulations under this section shall ensure that any arrangements for the payment of grant in respect of tuition fees for the fourth or any subsequent year of study at a higher education institution in England or Wales apply equally to a student whose parental home or normal place of residence for purposes other than attendance at that institution is in Scotland or Northern Ireland as they do to a student whose parental home or normal place of residence for purposes other than attendance at that institution is in England or Wales.”);
which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:

Contents.............134

Not-Contents.............89

CONTENTS

Ackner, L.
Addington, L.
Ailsa, M.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Beaverbrook, L.
Beloff, L.
Biddulph, L.
Biffen, L.
Blackwell, L.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Boardman, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Brookeborough, V.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Burnham, L. [Teller]
Butterfield, L.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Calverley, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Chesham, L.
Clanwilliam, E.
Coleraine, L.
Colwyn, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Dahrendorf, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Denham, L.
Dholakia, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Goodhart, L.
Hacking, L.
Hamwee, B.
 Harmsworth, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Henley, L.
Hesketh, L.
Higgins, L.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Home, E.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hussey of North Bradley, L.
Inchcape, E.
James of Holland Park, B.
Kimball, L.
Kirkwood, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Lichfield, Bp.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Liverpool, E.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Ludford, B.
Lyell, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mancroft, L.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Mersey, V.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Moynihan, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Newall, L.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Northesk, E.
Ogmore, L.
Onslow, E.
Onslow of Woking, L.
 Oxfuird, V.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Prior, L.
Pym, L.
Razzall, L.
Redesdale, L.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Renton, L.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Russell, E.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Seccombe, B.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stewartby, L.
Strange, B.
Strathclyde, L. [Teller]
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trenchard, V.
Ullswater, V.
Warnock, B.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Windlesham, L.
Wise, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Wynford, L.
Young, B.

NOT-CONTENTS

Acton, L.
Amos, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
 Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Berkeley, L.
Blackstone, B.
 Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Burlison, L.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.

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Currie of Marylebone, L.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Desai, L.
Dixon, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Gallacher, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Greene of Harrow Weald, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Hanworth, V.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Haskel, L.
 Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hollick, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor)
Islwyn, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeger, B.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kilbracken, L.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
McCarthy, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller]
Mallalieu, B.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Molloy, L.
Monkswell, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
 Nicol, B.
Northfield, L.
Peston, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Richard, L. (Lord Privy Seal)
Serota, B.
Sewel, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Varley, L.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Whitty, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.

Division No. 4

TEACHING AND HIGHER EDUCATION BILL [HL]

It was moved by the Earl Russell to leave out Clause 18; which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:

Contents.............63

Not-Contents.............73

CONTENTS

Addington, L.
Avebury, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Beloff, L.
Biffen, L.
Blatch, B.
Brookeborough, V.
Butterfield, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Chesham, L.
Cross, V.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dundee, E.
Goodhart, L.
Hamwee, B.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Inglewood, L.
 James of Holland Park, B.
Lichfield, Bp.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Lucas, L.
Ludford, B.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Newby, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Northesk, E.
Ogmore, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Rawlings, B.
Redesdale, L. [Teller]
 Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Russell, E. [Teller]
Russell-Johnston, L.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Seccombe, B.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Taverne, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warnock, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Wise, L.
Wynford, L.
Young, B.

NOT-CONTENTS

Acton, L.
Amos, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Berkeley, L.
Blackstone, B.
 Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Burlison, L.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
 Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Desai, L.
Dixon, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.

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Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Fitt, L.
Gallacher, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Grenfell, L.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Haskel, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L.
 (Lord Chancellor)
Islwyn, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Judd, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kilbracken, L.
Kirkhill, L.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller]
Mallalieu, B.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Molloy, L.
Monkswell, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
 Nicol, B.
Northfield, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Richard, L. (Lord Privy Seal)
Sewel, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Whitty, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.