House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)

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Tuesday 24 March 1998

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Aldington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alport, L.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashburton, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Avebury, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Bath, M.
Bath and Wells, Bp.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Beaverbrook, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Beloff, L.
Belstead, L.
Berkeley, L.
Bethell, L.
Biffen, L.
Birdwood, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blatch, B.
 Blease, L.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Brain, L.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Bramall, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridges, L.
Brightman, L.
Brigstocke, B.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Browne-Wilkinson, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Byron, L.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Canterbury, Abp.
Carew, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnarvon, E.
Carnock, L.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Carter, L.
Castle of Blackburn, B.
 Chalfont, L.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.
Chapple, L.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chesham, L.
Chorley, L.
Churston, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Clyde, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Coleridge, L.
Colwyn, L.
Congleton, L.
Constantine of Stanmore, L.
Cooke of Islandreagh, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Crook, L.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Dahrendorf, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Freyne, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.

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Dearing, L.
Denbigh, E.
Denham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Derwent, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donegall, M.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dowding, L.
Dudley, E.
Dundonald, E.
Dunrossil, V.
Eccles of Moulton, B.
Effingham, E.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Ely, M.
Ely, Bp.
Erne, E.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Forbes, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gainford, L.
Gainsborough, E.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gillmore of Thamesfield, L.
Gilmour of Craigmillar, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Glenamara, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenhill of Harrow, L.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Griffiths of Fforestfach, L.
Grimston of Westbury, L.
Hacking, L.
Haddington, E.
Halsbury, E.
Hamilton of Dalzell, L.
Hampton, L.
 Hamwee, B.
Hankey, L.
Hardie, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardwicke, E.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harmsworth, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L.
Hattersley, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Hayter, L.
Henderson of Brompton, L.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hooper, B.
Hothfield, L.
Howe, E.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Tanworth, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Huntingdon, E.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Hutchinson of Lullington, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Inchyra, L.
Inge, L.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Jacobs, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeffreys, L.
Jeger, B.
Jellicoe, E.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Jopling, L.
Judd, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kennet, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kilmarnock, L.
Kimball, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Kirkwood, L.
Kitchener, E.
Knollys, V.
 Laing of Dunphail, L.
Lane, L.
Lang of Monkton, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Layton, L.
Leathers, V.
Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Levy, L.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Liverpool, E.
Lloyd of Berwick, L.
Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lowry, L.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Ludford, B.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McCarthy, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Macleod of Borve, B.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Malmesbury, E.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlborough, D.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Meston, L.
Middleton, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Minto, E.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monckton of Brenchley, V.
Monkswell, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Moore of Wolvercote, L.
Moran, L.
Morton, E.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.

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Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Naseby, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicholls of Birkenhead, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Nickson, L.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
Norwich, Bp.
O’Cathain, B.
Ogmore, L.
Onslow, E.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Orme, L.
Orr-Ewing, L.
Oxford, Bp.
Oxfuird, V.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Patten, L.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Pender, L.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Ellesmere, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Porter of Luddenham, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
 Rennell, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Renwick, L.
Renwick of Clifton, L.
Richard, L.
Ripon, Bp.
Ritchie of Dundee, L.
Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Robertson of Oakridge, L.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Roll of Ipsden, L.
Romney, E.
Rowallan, L.
Russell, E.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Sainsbury, L.
Sainsbury of Turville, L.
Saint Albans, D.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandford, L.
Sandwich, E.
Sandys, L.
Savile, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selborne, E.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Sempill, L.
Shannon, E.
Sharples, B.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Shuttleworth, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Slim, V.
Smith, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Stafford, L.
Stair, E.
Stallard, L.
 Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stockton, E.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strafford, E.
Strange, B.
Strathclyde, L.
Strathcona and Mt. Royal, L.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tenby, V.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurlow, L.
Thurso, V.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Tryon, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Coslany, L.
Warnock, B.
Waterford, M.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Weatherill, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Wedgwood, L.
Westbury, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Winston, L.
Wise, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Young, B.
Young of Old Scone, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Norwich.

Judicial Business

1.Alan Wibberley Building Limited (Respondents) v. Insley (A.P.) (Petitioner)—The petition of John Graham Insley praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. The petitioner’s legal aid certificate was lodged.
2.Johnson (Her Majesty’s Inspector of Taxes) (Respondent) v. Prudential Assurance Company Limited (Petitioners)—The petition of the Prudential Assurance Company Limited praying for leave to appeal notwithstanding that the time limited by Standing Order II has expired was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.

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3.Appeal Committee—The following Order was made pursuant to the 54th Report:

In re J (a minor) (Respondent)—That leave to appeal be given, and that the petition of appeal be lodged by 7th April next.

Papers

4.Instrument withdrawn—The following instrument, laid before the House on 23rd March, was withdrawn:

Proposal for the Draft Deregulation (Exchangeable Driving Licences) Order 1998.

5.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.European Primary and Specialist Dental Qualifications Regulations 1998, laid under the European Communities Act 1972;
 (811)
2.Education (Individual Pupils’ Achievements) (Information) (Amendment) Regulations 1998, laid under the Education Act 1996;
 (877)
3.Education (Publication of Local Education Authority Inspection Reports) Regulations 1998, laid under the Education Act 1997;
 (880)
4. (i)Teachers’ Superannuation (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 1998—(718)
(ii)Teachers (Compensation for Premature Retirement and Redundancy) (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 1998—(719)
 laid under the Superannuation Act 1972.
6.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Report for 1996 of Her Majesty’s Inspectors of Explosives for Northern Ireland, laid under the Explosives Act 1875;
2.Supplement to Amendment No. 18 to the Territorial Army Regulations 1978, laid under the Reserve Forces Act 1996.

Select Committee Report

7.Statutory Instruments—The 27th Report from the Joint Committee was made on certain statutory instruments, including the following affirmative instruments:
 Draft Hovercraft (Convention on Limitation of Liability for Maritime Claims (Amendment)) Order 1998;
 Draft Merchant Shipping (Convention on Limitation of Liability for Maritime Claims) (Amendment) Order 1998;
 Draft Hovercraft (Application of Enactments) (Amendment) Order 1998;
 Draft Institute of Legal Executives Order 1998;

it was ordered that the Report be printed. (HL Paper 88)

Public Business

8.Data Protection Bill [HL]—The Queen’s and Prince of Wales’ Consents were signified; then the bill was read a third time; amendments were agreed to; an amendment was agreed to (see division list); amendments were moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn; a privilege amendment was agreed to; then after debate, the bill was passed and sent to the Commons.
9.European Communities (Amendment) Bill—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; an amendment was moved and, a debate arising thereon, further debate was adjourned; the House was resumed.
10.Grandparents—The Lord Northbourne asked Her Majesty’s Government what importance they attach to the role of grandparents in delivering their commitment to high quality, affordable child care for all; after debate, the question was answered by the Baroness Blackstone.
11.European Communities (Amendment) Bill—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; the debate on an amendment was resumed and, after further debate, the amendment was (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; another amendment was moved and, a debate arising thereon, further debate was adjourned; the House was resumed after the debate on amendment 5 was adjourned.

The House was adjourned at six minutes past eleven o’clock
till tomorrow, half-past two o’clock.

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DIVISION

DATA PROTECTION BILL [HL]

It was moved by the Baroness Nicholson of Winterbourne, in Clause 28, page 18, line 8, to leave out subsection (4); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:

Contents.............134

Not-Contents.............99

CONTENTS

Addington, L.
Ailsa, M.
Aldington, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Avebury, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Bath, M.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Beloff, L.
Bethell, L.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Bridges, L.
Brigstocke, B.
Butterworth, L.
Cadman, L.
Calverley, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carnarvon, E.
Chesham, L.
Clancarty, E.
Coleraine, L.
Coleridge, L.
Craigavon, V.
Crook, L.
Cross, V.
Dahrendorf, L.
De Freyne, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Denham, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Dowding, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Erne, E.
Erroll, E.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V. [Teller]
 Forbes, L.
Gainford, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geraint, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Grey, E.
Hampton, L.
Hamwee, B.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harmsworth, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Henley, L.
Hothfield, L.
Hutchinson of Lullington, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Inglewood, L.
Jacobs, L.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jopling, L.
Kinnoull, E.
Kirkwood, L.
Kitchener, E.
Knollys, V.
Lang of Monkton, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Layton, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L. [Teller]
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Ludford, B.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Malmesbury, E.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Middleton, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
 Morton, E.
Mountevans, L.
Moyne, L.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Norrie, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
Ogmore, L.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Rankeillour, L.
Razzall, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Ritchie of Dundee, L.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Romney, E.
Russell, E.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Sainsbury, L.
St. John of Bletso, L.
Sandford, L.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Stair, E.
Stockton, E.
Strange, B.
Swinfen, L.
Teviot, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thurso, V.
Tordoff, L.
Vivian, L.
Waterford, M.
Weatherill, L.
Wharton, B.
Wigoder, L.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Young, B.

NOT-CONTENTS

Acton, L.
Ampthill, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Berkeley, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blease, L.
Blyth, L.
 Borrie, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Burlison, L.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Chapple, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
 David, B.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Dixon, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Gainsborough, E.
Gallacher, L.

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Gilbert, L.
Glenamara, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Haskel, L.
Hayman, B.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)
Islwyn, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
 Jay of Paddington, B.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kennet, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller]
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Monkswell, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Nicol, B.
Orme, L.
Peston, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
 Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rea, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Richard, L. (Lord Privy Seal)
Sefton of Garston, L.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Stallard, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Wallace of Coslany, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Whitty, L.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Winston, L.