House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)

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Thursday 26 March 1998

The House met at three o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Abinger, L.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amherst of Hackney, L.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Arran, E.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashburton, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Beloff, L.
Berkeley, L.
Berners, B.
Birdwood, L.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Bramall, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridge of Harwich, L.
Briggs, L.
Brightman, L.
Brigstocke, B.
Broadbridge, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Buckinghamshire, E.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
 Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Caldecote, V.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carnarvon, E.
Carnock, L.
Carter, L.
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Chalfont, L.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.
Chandos, V.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chelmsford, V.
Chesham, L.
Chichester, Bp.
Chorley, L.
Clanwilliam, E.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cochrane of Cults, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Colwyn, L.
Congleton, L.
Constantine of Stanmore, L.
Cooke of Islandreagh, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Craigavon, V.
Cranborne, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Cross, V.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Dacre of Glanton, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Freyne, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Dearing, L.
Denbigh, E.
Denham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Derwent, L.
Devonport, V.
Dholakia, L.
Diamond, L.
Dilhorne, V.
 Dixon-Smith, L.
Donegall, M.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dowding, L.
Downshire, M.
Dubs, L.
Dunrossil, V.
Durham, Bp.
Eatwell, L.
Eccles of Moulton, B.
Effingham, E.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Erne, E.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Ezra, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gainford, L.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gillmore of Thamesfield, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gladwyn, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gormanston, V.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Gowrie, E.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Greenway, L.
Grey, E.
Hacking, L.
Haddington, E.
Halsbury, E.
Hamwee, B.
Hankey, L.
Hanworth, V.
Hardie, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harmsworth, L.
Harris of Peckham, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L.

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Hattersley, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Hayter, L.
Henderson of Brompton, L.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hives, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Hothfield, L.
Howe, E.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Inchcape, E.
Inge, L.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeffreys, L.
Jeger, B.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Jopling, L.
Judd, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kennet, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kilmarnock, L.
Kimball, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kintore, E.
Knollys, V.
Lane of Horsell, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Layton, L.
Leathers, V.
Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Levy, L.
Lewin, L.
Liverpool, E.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lovell-Davis, L.
Lowry, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Ludford, B.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
 McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Macleod of Borve, B.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Mancroft, L.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Meston, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monckton of Brenchley, V.
Monkswell, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Moore of Wolvercote, L.
Moran, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mountgarret, V.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Napier of Magdâla, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Newby, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norfolk, D.
Norrie, L.
Northesk, E.
Norwich, Bp.
O’Cathain, B.
Onslow, E.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Orme, L.
Orr-Ewing, L.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Pender, L.
 Peston, L.
Phillips of Ellesmere, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Prior, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Pym, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Rennell, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Renwick, L.
Richard, L.
Ripon, Bp.
Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rogers of Riverside, L.
Roll of Ipsden, L.
Romney, E.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Russell, E.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Sainsbury, L.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandberg, L.
Sandwich, E.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Sempill, L.
Shannon, E.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Slynn of Hadley, L.
Smith, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Stair, E.
Stallard, L.
Stanley of Alderley, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stockton, E.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strafford, E.
Strange, B.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L.

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Strathcona and Mt. Royal, L.
Sudeley, L.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tebbit, L.
Temple of Stowe, E.
Tenby, V.
Teviot, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
 Thurlow, L.
Thurso, V.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warnock, B.
Waterford, M.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Weatherill, L.
 Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Westbury, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Wilson of Tillyorn, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Windlesham, L.
Winston, L.
Wise, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Wynford, L.
Young, B.
Young of Dartington, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Norwich.

1.Leave of Absence—It was ordered that leave of absence be granted to the following Lords for this Parliament:

Bolton, L.
Cayzer, L.
Poltimore, L.

Judicial Business

2.Regina v. Woollin (Appellant) (On Appeal from the Court of Appeal (Criminal Division))—The appeal of Stephen Leslie Woollin was presented and ordered to be prosecuted subject to the procedures applicable thereto.
3.Regina v. Martin (Petitioner) (lodged 5th March)—The petition of Ellis Anthony Martin praying for leave to appeal in accordance with the Criminal Appeal Act 1968 was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
4.Regina v. White (Petitioner) (lodged 5th March)—The petition of James Robert White praying for leave to appeal in accordance with the Criminal Appeal Act 1968 was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
5.Taylor and others (Appellants) v. Director of the Serious Fraud Office and others (Respondents)—The appeal was set down for hearing and referred to an Appellate Committee.
6.Svenska International Plc (Appellants) v. Commissioners of Customs and Excise (Respondents)—The appeal was set down for hearing and referred to an Appellate Committee.

Papers

7.Command Papers—The following papers were presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Welfare—New Ambitions for our Country: A new contract for welfare: Government consultation document;
 (3805)
2.Criminal Injuries—Report and Accounts for 1996–97 of the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board.
 (3921)
8.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 (Variation of Schedules 5 and 8) Order 1998, laid under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981;
 (878)
2.Video Recordings (Labelling) (Amendment) Regulations 1998, laid under the Video Recordings Act 1984.
 (852)
9.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Statement of Guarantee given by the Treasury in respect of the British Waterways Board, laid under the Transport Act 1962;
2.Accounts for 1996–97 of the Social Fund, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Social Security Administration Act 1992;
3.Report and Accounts for 1996–97 of the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority, laid under the Criminal Injuries Compensation Act 1995.

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Public Business

10.School Standards and Framework Bill—A bill to make new provision with respect to school education and the provision of nursery education otherwise than at school; to enable arrangements to be made for the provision of further education for young persons partly at schools and partly at further education institutions; to make provision with respect to the Education Assets Board; and for connected purposes was brought from the Commons, read a first time and ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 94)
11.Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions) Bill—The report was received; an amendment was disagreed to (see division list); an amendment was moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn.
12.European Communities (Amendment) Bill—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; the debate on an amendment was resumed and, after further debate, was again adjourned; the House was resumed.
13.Armed forces—The Lord Inge asked Her Majesty’s Government what are the key new legal and personnel issues facing the fighting services, and, in particular, whether there are any which will affect their ethos and operational effectiveness; after debate, the question was answered by the Lord Gilbert.
14.European Communities (Amendment) Bill—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; the debate on an amendment was again resumed and, after further debate, the amendment was (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; another amendment was moved and, a debate arising thereon, further debate was adjourned; the House was resumed after the debate on amendment 10 was adjourned.

The House was adjourned at five minutes past eleven o’clock
till tomorrow, eleven o’clock.

DIVISION

NORTHERN IRELAND (EMERGENCY PROVISIONS) BILL

It was moved by the Lord Cope of Berkeley to leave out Clause 3; which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:

Contents.............69

Not-Contents.............132

CONTENTS

Aberdare, L.
Abinger, L.
Ashbourne, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Berners, B.
Blatch, B.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Burnham, L. [Teller]
Carnock, L.
Clanwilliam, E.
Cochrane of Cults, L.
Cooke of Islandreagh, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Davidson, V.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Denham, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Erne, E.
 Erroll, E.
Gainford, L.
Gladwyn, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Harrowby, E.
Holderness, L.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Jopling, L.
Kintore, E.
Leigh, L.
Lyell, L.
McConnell, L.
Milverton, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monckton of Brenchley, V.
Monson, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Moore of Wolvercote, L.
Mountgarret, V.
Napier of MagdaŻla, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
 Northesk, E.
O’Cathain, B.
Onslow, E.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Prior, L.
Rees, L.
Renton, L.
Romney, E.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Seccombe, B.
Skelmersdale, L.
Strafford, E.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L. [Teller]
Strathcona and Mount Royal, L.
Sudeley, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tebbit, L.
Vivian, L.
Westbury, L.
Wilson of Tillyorn, L.
Wise, L.
Wynford, L.

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NOT-CONTENTS

Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Berkeley, L.
Blackstone, B.
Borrie, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Burlison, L.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Calverley, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Chorley, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
David, B.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dholakia, L.
Diamond, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Ezra, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Fitt, L.
Gallacher, L.
Geraint, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
 Graham of Edmonton, L.
Hamwee, B.
Hanworth, V.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Haskel, L.
Hayman, B.
Henderson of Brompton, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Ilchester, E.
Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeger, B.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Judd, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kilbracken, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Levy, L.
Longford, E.
Lovell-Davis, L.
Ludford, B.
McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller]
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Merrivale, L.
Meston, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Mishcon, L.
Monkswell, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Newby, L.
 Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Nicol, B.
Orme, L.
Peston, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Prys-Davies, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rea, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Richard, L. (Lord Privy Seal)
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rogers of Riverside, L.
Roll of Ipsden, L.
Russell, E.
Sainsbury, L.
Sandberg, L.
Sandwich, E.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Stallard, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Tenby, V.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.