House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)

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Thursday 23 April 1998

The House met at three o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Alderdice, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
 Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
 Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Balfour, E.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Bath, M.

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Bath and Wells, Bp.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Bellwin, L.
Berkeley, L.
Bethell, L.
Biddulph, L.
Biffen, L.
Birdwood, L.
Blackwell, L.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bradford, E.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridgeman, V.
Bridges, L.
Brightman, L.
Brigstocke, B.
Broadbridge, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Buckinghamshire, E.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carnock, L.
Carter, L.
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Chalfont, L.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chesham, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cobbold, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Colwyn, L.
Constantine of Stanmore, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craigavon, V.
Cranborne, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Cross, V.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Dacre of Glanton, L.
 Dahrendorf, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Freyne, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Denbigh, E.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Diamond, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Eatwell, L.
Eccles of Moulton, B.
Eden of Winton, L.
Effingham, E.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Emerton, B.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gibson, L.
Gibson-Watt, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gillmore of Thamesfield, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gladwyn, L.
Glanusk, L.
Glasgow, E.
Glenamara, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gormanston, V.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grantchester, L.
Greene of Harrow Weald, L.
Greenway, L.
Grey, E.
Hacking, L.
Halsbury, E.
 Hamwee, B.
Hankey, L.
Hanworth, V.
Hardie, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardinge of Penshurst, L.
Hardwicke, E.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L.
Haslam, L.
Hayman, B.
Hayter, L.
Healey, L.
Hemphill, L.
Henley, L.
Hereford, Bp.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Howe, E.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Tanworth, L.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Inchyra, L.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeger, B.
Jellicoe, E.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Jopling, L.
Kelvedon, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kennet, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kilmarnock, L.
Kimball, L.
Kingsdown, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Lane, L.
Lane of Horsell, L.
Lang of Monkton, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Layton, L.
Leicester, Bp.
Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.

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Levene of Port Soken, L.
Levy, L.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Liverpool, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lovell-Davis, L.
Lowry, L.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Ludford, B.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
McFarlane of Llandaff, B.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
MacLaurin of Knebworth, L.
Macleod of Borve, B.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Mancroft, L.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Mersey, V.
Meston, L.
Methuen, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Minto, E.
Mishcon, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monckton of Brenchley, V.
Monkswell, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Monteagle of Brandon, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Moore of Wolvercote, L.
Moran, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moyne, L.
Munster, E.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Naseby, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
 Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norfolk, D.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Ogmore, L.
Onslow, E.
Onslow of Woking, L.
Orme, L.
Orr-Ewing, L.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Paul, L.
Pender, L.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Ellesmere, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Prior, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Pym, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Rennell, L.
Renton, L.
Renwick of Clifton, L.
Richard, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rogers of Riverside, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Russell, E.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Sainsbury, L.
Sainsbury of Turville, L.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandberg, L.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Sempill, L.
Serota, B.
Sewel, L.
Shannon, E.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shrewsbury, E.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
 Simon of Highbury, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Stallard, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strange, B.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Strathcona and Mt. Royal, L.
Sudeley, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Temple of Stowe, E.
Templeman, L.
Tenby, V.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurlow, L.
Thurso, V.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Tweeddale, M.
Ullswater, V.
Vinson, L.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakefield, Bp.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walpole, L.
Warnock, B.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Westbury, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Winston, L.
Wise, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Wynford, L.
Young, B.
Young of Dartington, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.

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PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Bath and Wells.

Judicial Business

1.Regina v. Secretary of State for the Home Department (Respondent) ex parte Salem (A.P.) (Petitioner)—The petition of Fathi Saleh Salem praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. The petitioner’s legal aid certificate was lodged.
2.Commissioner of Police for the Metropolis (Appellant) v. Reeves (Joint administratrix of the Estate of Martin Lynch, deceased) (A.P.) (Respondent)—The appeal was set down for hearing and referred to an Appellate Committee.

Papers

3.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Merchant Shipping (Oil Pollution Preparedness, Response and Co-operation Convention) Regulations 1998, laid under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995;
 (1056)
2.Special Trustees for the Middlesex Hospital (Transfer of Trust Property) Order 1998, laid under the National Health Service Act 1977.
 (1104)
4.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1. (i)Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (United Nations Sanctions) (Dependent Territories) Order 1998—(1064)
(ii)Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (United Nations Sanctions) Order 1998—(1065)
(iii)Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (United Nations Sanctions) (Isle of Man) Order 1998—(1072)
(iv)Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (United Nations Sanctions) (Channel Islands) Order 1998—(1073)
 laid under the United Nations Act 1946;
2.Reports by:
(a)the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food on:
(i)Shellfish Orders 1995—
(ii)Shellfish Orders 1996; and
(b)the Secretary of State for Wales on:
(i)Shellfish Orders 1995—
(ii)Shellfish Orders 1996—
laid under the Sea Fisheries (Shellfish) Act 1967;
3.Statement of Guarantee given by the Treasury in respect of temporary borrowing by the Development Board for Rural Wales, laid under the Development of Rural Wales Act 1976.

Public Business

5.Northern Ireland (Elections) Bill—A bill to make provision for the establishment of the New Northern Ireland Assembly and for the election of its members was brought from the Commons, read a first time and ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 105)
6.Bank of England Bill—The Commons reason was considered; the Lords amendment was not insisted on.
7.Social Security Bill—The bill was further considered on report; amendments were agreed to; amendments were moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn; amendments were disagreed to (see division lists 1 to 3); it was ordered that the bill be printed as amended. (HL Bill 106)
8.Royal Assent—The Lord Speaker (Lord Ampthill) notified the Queen’s Assent to the following Act:
Bank of England Actc. 11
9.Financial Statement and Budget Report—It was moved by the Lord Whitty that this House take note with approval of the Government’s assessment as set out in the Financial Statement and Budget Report 1998–99 for the purposes of section 5 of the European Communities (Amendment) Act 1993; after debate, the motion was agreed to.

The House was adjourned at ten minutes past nine o’clock
to Monday next, half-past two o’clock.

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DIVISIONS

Division No. 1

SOCIAL SECURITY BILL

It was moved by the Earl Russell, after Clause 70, to insert the new Clause (Lone Parent Regulations); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:

Contents.............42

Not-Contents.............80

CONTENTS

Addington, L.
Alderdice, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Carlisle, E.
Cross, V.
Dacre of Glanton, L.
Dholakia, L.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Falkland, V.
Glasgow, E.
Goodhart, L. [Teller]
Halsbury, E.
Hamwee, B.
 Harrowby, E.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Meston, L.
Milverton, L.
Newby, L.
Ogmore, L.
Razzall, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
 Russell, E. [Teller]
Sandberg, L.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurso, V.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Williams of Crosby, B.

NOT-CONTENTS

Acton, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Berkeley, L.
Borrie, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Burlison, L.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Desai, L.
Diamond, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Erroll, E.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Gallacher, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
 Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grantchester, L.
Greenway, L.
Hanworth, V.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Haskel, L. [Teller]
Hayman, B.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor)
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Lockwood, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Mishcon, L.
Monkswell, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
 Nelson, E.
Nicol, B.
Paul, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Renwick of Clifton, L.
Richard, L. (Lord Privy Seal)
Rogers of Riverside, L.
Sewel, L.
Shannon, E.
Simon, V.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Whitty, L.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winston, L.
Young of Dartington, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.

Division No. 2

SOCIAL SECURITY BILL

It was moved by the Baroness Williams of Crosby, after Clause 70, to insert the new Clause (Lone parent with children under 5); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:

Contents.............33

Not-Contents.............70

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CONTENTS

Addington, L.
Alderdice, L.
Avebury, L.
Carlisle, E.
Dholakia, L.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Goodhart, L. [Teller]
Hamwee, B.
Kingsland, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
 McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Meston, L.
Newby, L.
Ogmore, L.
Razzall, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Russell, E.
 Sandberg, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strathcona and Mount Royal, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurso, V.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Williams of Crosby, B. [Teller]

NOT-CONTENTS

Acton, L.
Ampthill, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Berkeley, L.
Borrie, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Burlison, L.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Desai, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Gallacher, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
 Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grantchester, L.
Hanworth, V.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Haskel, L. [Teller]
Hayman, B.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor)
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Kilbracken, L.
Mallalieu, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Mishcon, L.
Monkswell, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
 Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Nicol, B.
Norton, L.
Paul, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Renwick of Clifton, L.
Richard, L. (Lord Privy Seal)
Rogers of Riverside, L.
Sewel, L.
Simon, V.
Strabolgi, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Whitty, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winston, L.
Young of Dartington, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.

Division No. 3

SOCIAL SECURITY BILL

It was moved by the Lord Higgins, after Clause 71, to insert the new Clause (Lone parent benefit: re-entitlement); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:

Contents.............64

Not-Contents.............65

CONTENTS

Addington, L.
Alderdice, L.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Avebury, L.
Balfour, E.
Blatch, B.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Burnham, L. [Teller]
Byford, B.
Carnock, L.
Chesham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Ezra, L.
 Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Gisborough, L.
Goodhart, L.
Hamwee, B.
Higgins, L.
Hooper, B.
Kenilworth, L.
Kingsland, L.
Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Lyell, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Macleod of Borve, B.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
 Maddock, B.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Northesk, E.
Ogmore, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Redesdale, L.
Renton, L.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Russell, E. [Teller]
Sandberg, L.
Seccombe, B.

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Skelmersdale, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strathclyde, L.
 Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thurso, V.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
 Trefgarne, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Wise, L.

NOT-CONTENTS

Acton, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Berkeley, L.
Borrie, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Burlison, L.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Desai, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Gallacher, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
 Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grantchester, L.
Hanworth, V.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Haskel, L. [Teller]
Hayman, B.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kilbracken, L.
Mallalieu, B.
Monkswell, L.
 Montague of Oxford, L.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
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