House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)

Previous Next Monday 1 June 1998 The House met at half-past two o’clock. The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present: Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor) Aberdare, L. Ackner, L. Acton, L. Addington, L. Addison, V. Ailesbury, M. Ailsa, M. Aldington, L. Alexander of Tunis, E. Allenby of Megiddo, V. Amos, B. Ampthill, L. Anelay of St. Johns, B. Archer of Sandwell, L. Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L. Arran, E. Ashbourne, L. Ashley of Stoke, L. Astor, V. Astor of Hever, L. Attlee, E. Avebury, L. Baker of Dorking, L. Balfour, E. Barnett, L. Bassam of Brighton, L. Beaumont of Whitley, L. Belhaven and Stenton, L. Beloff, L. Belstead, L. Berkeley, L. Berners, B. Biddulph, L. Biffen, L. Birdwood, L. Blackstone, B. Blackwell, L. Blatch, B. Blease, L. Bledisloe, V. Blyth, L. Boardman, L. Borrie, L. Boston of Faversham, L. Bowness, L. Brabazon of Tara, L. Brain, L. Braine of Wheatley, L. Brentford, V. Brightman, L. Broadbridge, L. Brooks of Tremorfa, L. Brougham and Vaux, L. Broughshane, L. Bruce of Donington, L. Bruntisfield, L. Burlison, L. Burnham, L. Butterworth, L. Byford, B. Cadman, L. Calverley, L. Campbell of Alloway, L. Campbell of Croy, L. Carew, L. Carlisle, E. Carnegy of Lour, B. Carnock, L. Carrington, L. Carter, L. Chadlington, L. Chesham, L. Clancarty, E. Clark of Kempston, L. Cledwyn of Penrhos, L. Clinton-Davis, L. Cockfield, L. Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Page 833 1997-98 Volume 231       Colville of Culross, V. Colwyn, L. Constantine of Stanmore, L. Cooke of Thorndon, L. Cope of Berkeley, L. Courtown, E. Cowdray, V. Cox, B. Craig of Radley, L. Craigavon, V. Cranborne, V. Crathorne, L. Cross, V. Cuckney, L. Cullen of Ashbourne, L. Currie of Marylebone, L. David, B. Davidson, V. Davies of Coity, L. Davies of Oldham, L. De Freyne, L. Dean of Beswick, L. Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B. Dearing, L. Denbigh, E. Denton of Wakefield, B. Desai, L. Dholakia, L. Dilhorne, V. Dixon-Smith, L. Donoughue, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Downshire, M. Dubs, L. Dunrossil, V. Eatwell, L. Eccles of Moulton, B. Elis-Thomas, L. Ellenborough, L. Elles, B. Elliott of Morpeth, L. Elton, L. Erne, E. Erroll, E. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Falkland, V. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Fitt, L. Flather, B. Fookes, B. Freeman, L. Freyberg, L. Gainford, L. Gallacher, L. Gardner of Parkes, B. Geddes, L. Geraint, L. Gibson-Watt, L. Gilbert, L. Gilmour of Craigmillar, L. Gladwin of Clee, L. Glenarthur, L. Glentoran, L. Goodhart, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Gowrie, E. Graham of Edmonton, L. Gray of Contin, L. Greenway, L. Grenfell, L. Grey, E. Hacking, L. Halsbury, E. Harding of Petherton, L. Hardwicke, E. Hardy of Wath, L. Harlech, L. Harris of Greenwich, L. Harrowby, E. Haskel, L. Hattersley, L. Hayhoe, L. Hayter, L. Hemphill, L. Henley, L. Higgins, L. Hilton of Eggardon, B. Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Holderness, L. Hollis of Heigham, B. HolmPatrick, L. Home, E. Hooson, L. Howe, E. Howell of Guildford, L. Hoyle, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Hunt of Wirral, L. Hussey of North Bradley, L. Hutchinson of Lullington, L. Hylton-Foster, B. Ilchester, E. Inglewood, L. Ironside, L. Islwyn, L. Jacobs, L. Janner of Braunstone, L. Jauncey of Tullichettle, L. Jay of Paddington, B. Jeffreys, L. Jenkin of Roding, L. Jenkins of Hillhead, L. Jenkins of Putney, L. Johnston of Rockport, L. Jopling, L. Judd, L. Kennedy of The Shaws, B. Kennet, L. Kilbracken, L. Kingsland, L. Kinloss, Ly. Kinnoull, E. Kirkhill, L. Knight of Collingtree, B. Knollys, V. Lang of Monkton, L. Lauderdale, E. Layton, L. Leigh, L. Lindsay, E. Liverpool, E. Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E. Lockwood, B. Long, V. Longford, E. Lovell-Davis, L. Lowry, L. Lucas, L. Luke, L. Lyell, L. Lytton, E. McCarthy, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L. Mackintosh of Halifax, V. McNair, L. McNally, L. Maddock, B. Mallalieu, B. Malmesbury, E. Mar, C. Marsh, L. Masham of Ilton, B. Mason of Barnsley, L. Mayhew of Twysden, L. Merlyn-Rees, L. Merrivale, L. Mersey, V. Meston, L. Miller of Hendon, B. Milner of Leeds, L. Milverton, L. Mishcon, L. Molloy, L. Molyneaux of Killead, L. Monkswell, L. Montagu of Beaulieu, L. Montague of Oxford, L. Monteagle of Brandon, L. Moore of Wolvercote, L. Moran, L. Morris of Manchester, L. Mottistone, L. Mountevans, L. Mowbray and Stourton, L. Moyne, L. Munster, E. Murton of Lindisfarne, L. Napier and Ettrick, L. Naseby, L. Nathan, L. Nelson, E. Newall, L. Newby, L. Newton of Braintree, L. Nicholson of Winterbourne, B. Nicol, B. Noel-Buxton, L. Norrie, L. Northesk, E. Norton, L. Ogmore, L. Onslow of Woking, L. Oppenheim-Barnes, B. Orme, L. Orr-Ewing, L. Oxfuird, V. Palmer, L. Park of Monmouth, B. Paul, L. Pearson of Rannoch, L. Pender, L. Perry of Southwark, B. Peston, L. Peyton of Yeovil, L. Pilkington of Oxenford, L. Page 834 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top Pitkeathley, B. Plant of Highfield, L. Platt of Writtle, B. Plumb, L. Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L. Prentice, L. Prys-Davies, L. Puttnam, L. Pym, L. Quirk, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Rathcavan, L. Rawlings, B. Rawlinson of Ewell, L. Razzall, L. Rea, L. Redesdale, L. Rees, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Rennell, L. Renton, L. Renwick, L. Renwick of Clifton, L. Richard, L. Ripon, Bp. Rix, L. Roberts of Conwy, L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Rogers of Riverside, L. Rotherwick, L. Rowallan, L. Russell, E. Ryder of Wensum, L. Saint Albans, D. St. Davids, V. St. John of Bletso, L. St. John of Fawsley, L. Sandwich, E. Scotland of Asthal, B. Seccombe, B. Sefton of Garston, L. Selkirk of Douglas, L. Serota, B. Shannon, E. Sharples, B. Sheppard of Liverpool, L. Shore of Stepney, L. Simon, V. Simon of Glaisdale, L. Skelmersdale, L. Skidelsky, L. Slim, V. Smith of Gilmorehill, B. Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L. Stallard, L. Steel of Aikwood, L. Stewartby, L. Stodart of Leaston, L. Stoddart of Swindon, L. Stone of Blackheath, L. Strabolgi, L. Strange, B. Strathcarron, L. Strathclyde, L. Swansea, L. Swinfen, L. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Taverne, L. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Taylor of Gryfe, L. Taylor of Warwick, L. Tenby, V. Teviot, L. Thomas of Gresford, L. Thomas of Macclesfield, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thurso, V. Tope, L. Tordoff, L. Trefgarne, L. Trumpington, B. Turner of Camden, B. Ullswater, V. Varley, L. Vivian, L. Waddington, L. Wade of Chorlton, L. Wakefield, Bp. Walker of Doncaster, L. Wallace of Saltaire, L. Waverley, V. Weatherill, L. Wedgwood, L. Westbury, L. Whaddon, L. Wharton, B. Whitty, L. Wilberforce, L. Wilcox, B. Williams of Crosby, B. Williams of Elvel, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Winchilsea and Nottingham, E. Wise, L. Young, B. Young of Old Scone, B. PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Wakefield. Judicial Business 1. Regina v. Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea (Appellants) ex parte Lawrie Plantation Services Limited (Respondents) (England)—The appeal of the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea was presented and it was ordered that in accordance with Standing Order VI the statement and appendix thereto be lodged on or before 13th July next. 2. Regina v. Hertfordshire County Council (Respondents) ex parte Green Environmental Industries Limited and another (A.P.) (Appellant) (England)—The appeal of John Michael Moynihan was presented and it was ordered that in accordance with Standing Order VI the statement and appendix thereto be lodged on or before 13th July next. 3. In re B (a minor) (A.P.) (Petitioner) (1998) (lodged 6th April)—The petition of the minor (by her Guardian ad litem) praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. The petitioner’s legal aid certificate was lodged. 4. Ivory Gate Limited (Respondents) v. Spetale and Freedman (Petitioner) and another (lodged 21st May)—The petition of Emanuel Montague Freedman praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. 5. Khazanchi and another (A.P.) (Petitioners) v. Faircharm Investments Limited and others (Respondents) (lodged 22nd May)—The petition of Deepak Kumar Khazanchi and Manjit Singh Rattu praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. The petitioners’ legal aid certificates were lodged. 6. Living Waters Christian Centres Limited (Petitioners) v. Conwy County Borough Council and another (Respondents)—The petition of Living Waters Christian Centres Limited praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. 7. Regina v. Bow Street Magistrates’ Court and Allison (Respondent) ex parte Government of the United States of America (Petitioners) (lodged 27th May)—The petition of the Government of the United States of America praying for leave to appeal in accordance with the Administration of Justice Act 1960 was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. Page 835 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top 8. Regina v. Kelly (Petitioner) (lodged 28th May)—The petition of Anthony-Noel Kelly praying for leave to appeal in accordance with the Criminal Appeal Act 1968 was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. 9. Platform Home Loans Limited (Appellants) v. Oyston Shipways Limited and others (Respondents)—The appeal was set down for hearing and referred to an Appellate Committee. 10. Barry (Appellant) v. Midland Bank Plc (Respondents)—The appeal was set down for hearing and referred to an Appellate Committee. 11. Fitzpatrick (A.P.) (Appellant) v. Sterling Housing Association Limited (Respondents)—The appeal was set down for hearing and referred to an Appellate Committee. 12. Regina v. Woollin (Appellant) (On Appeal from the Court of Appeal (Criminal Division))—The appeal was set down for hearing and referred to an Appellate Committee. 13. In re L (by his next friend GE) (Respondent)—The petition of the Registered Nursing Homes Association praying that they might be heard or otherwise intervene in the appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. 14. Axis West Developments Limited (Appellants) v. Chartwell Land Investments Limited (Respondents) (Scotland)—The petition of the appellants praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 24th June next (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed. 15. Cook (A.P.) (Appellant) v. Financial Insurance Company Limited (Respondents)—The petition of the appellant praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 29th June next (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed. 16. Appeal Committee—The following Order was made pursuant to the 72nd Report: Ujima Housing Association (Respondents) v. Ansah (A.P.) (Petitioner)—That the respondents’ costs be paid out of the Legal Aid Fund in accordance with section 18 of the Legal Aid Act 1988, such order to be suspended until 29th June to enable the Legal Aid Board to object if they wish. Papers 17. Command Papers—The following papers, having been presented to the House by command of Her Majesty on the dates shown, were ordered to lie on the Table: 1. Channel Tunnel—Agreement between the United Kingdom, Belgium and France concerning Channel Tunnel rail traffic between the United Kingdom and Belgium; (22nd May)   (3954) 2. Police—Metropolitan Police Fund Estimates for 1997-98 and 1998-99; (28th May)   (3956) 3. Treaty Series—Index to Treaty Series 1997. (29th May)   (3941) 18. Statutory Instruments (Standing Order 68)—The following negative instruments, having been laid before the House on the dates shown, were ordered to lie on the Table: Title, etc. S.I. No. Date of laying Magistrates’ Courts Committees (Merseyside) Amalgamation (Amendment) Order 1998, laid under the Justices of the Peace Act 1997; 1293 22nd May Local Government Act 1988 (Defined Activities) (Exemptions) (Northumberland County Council and Suffolk Coastal District Council) Order 1988, laid under the Local Government Act 1988; 1237 22nd May Local Government Pension Scheme Regulations 1997 (Amendment) Regulations 1998, laid under the Superannuation Act 1972; 1238 22nd May Food (Cheese) (Emergency Control) (Amendment) Order 1998, laid under the Food Safety Act 1990; 1284 22nd May Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) (Amendment) (No. 3) Regulations 1998, laid under the Road Traffic Act 1988; 1229 27th May (i) Environmentally Sensitive Areas (England) Designation Orders (Revocation of Specified Provisions) Regulations 1998— 1295 27th May Page 836 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top Title, etc. S.I. No. Date of laying (ii) Countryside Stewardship Regulations 1998— laid under the European Communities Act 1972; 1327 27th May (i) Environmentally Sensitive Areas (West Penwith) Designation (Amendment) Order 1998— 1296 27th May (ii) Environmentally Sensitive Areas (South Downs) Designation (Amendment) Order 1998— 1297 27th May (iii) Environmentally Sensitive Areas (Somerset Levels and Moors) Designation (Amendment) Order 1998— 1298 27th May (iv) Environmentally Sensitive Areas (The Broads) Designation (Amendment) Order 1998— 1299 27th May (v) Environmentally Sensitive Areas (Pennine Dales) Designation (Amendment) Order 1998— 1300 27th May (vi) Environmentally Sensitive Areas (Lake District) Designation (Amendment) Order 1998— 1301 27th May (vii) Environmentally Sensitive Areas (Exmoor) Designation (Amendment) Order 1998— 1302 27th May (viii) Environmentally Sensitive Areas (North Peak) Designation (Amendment) Order 1998— 1303 27th May (ix) Environmentally Sensitive Areas (North Kent Marshes) Designation (Amendment) Order 1998— 1304 27th May (x) Environmentally Sensitive Areas (South West Peak) Designation (Amendment) Order 1998— 1305 27th May (xi) Environmentally Sensitive Areas (Breckland) Designation (Amendment) Order 1998— 1306 27th May (xii) Environmentally Sensitive Areas (Avon Valley) Designation (Amendment) Order 1998— 1307 27th May (xiii) Environmentally Sensitive Areas (Test Valley) Designation (Amendment) Order 1998— 1308 27th May (xiv) Environmentally Sensitive Areas (South Wessex Downs) Designation (Amendment) Order 1998— 1309 27th May (xv) Environmentally Sensitive Areas (Suffolk River Valleys) Designation (Amendment) Order 1998— 1310 27th May (xvi) Environmentally Sensitive Areas (Clun) Designation (Amendment) Order 1998— laid under the Agriculture Act 1986; 1311 27th May   Lands Tribunal (Superannuation) (Amendment) Order (Northern Ireland) 1998, laid under the Northern Ireland Act 1974; — 27th May   General Optical Council (Disciplinary Committee (Constitution) Rules) Order of Council 1998, laid under the Opticians Act 1989; 1338 28th May (i) Bolton Sixth Form College (Incorporation) Order 1998— 1331 29th May (ii) Bolton Sixth Form College (Government) Regulations 1998— 1332 29th May laid under the Further and Higher Education Act 1992. 19. Affirmative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table: 1. Draft Producer Responsibility Obligations (Northern Ireland) Order 1998; 2. Draft Criminal Justice (Children) (Northern Ireland) Order 1998; 3. Draft Northern Ireland Act 1974 (Interim Period Extension) Order 1998. 20. Deregulation—The following document was laid before the House under section 3(3) of the Deregulation and Contracting Out Act 1994 and referred to the Delegated Powers and Deregulation Committee: Proposal for the Draft Deregulation (Weights and Measures) Order 1998. Page 837 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top 21. Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table: 1. Yorkshire Ouse (Pilotage Powers) Order 1998, laid under the Pilotage Act 1987;   (1272) 2. European Communities (Enforcement of Community Judgments) (Amendment) Order 1998, laid under the European Communities Act 1972;   (1259) 3. Employment Rights (Dispute Resolution) (Northern Ireland) Order 1998, laid under the Employment Rights (Dispute Resolution) Act 1998;   (1265) 4. National Health Service (Pilot Schemes: Financial Assistance for Preparatory Work) Regulations 1998, laid under the National Health Service (Primary Care) Act 1997.   (1330) 22. Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table: 1. Statement of Guarantee given by the Secretary of State for Health on loans proposed to be raised by the North West Anglia Healthcare NHS Trust, laid under the National Health Service and Community Care Act 1990; 2. Report and Financial Statements for 1997 of Channel Four Television Corporation, laid under the Broadcasting Act 1990. Public Business 23. School Standards and Framework Bill—After debate, the House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the House was resumed for a statement; the House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were agreed to; the House was resumed. 24. Building Regulations (Energy Rating Information) (Amendment) Bill [HL]—It was moved by the Baroness Nicol that the bill be now read a second time; after debate, the motion was agreed to and the bill was committed to a Committee of the Whole House. 25. Sea Fisheries (Shellfish) (Amendment) Bill [HL]— It was moved by the Earl of Lindsay that the bill be now read a second time; after debate, the motion was agreed to and the bill was committed to a Committee of the Whole House. The House was adjourned during pleasure. The House was resumed. 26. School Standards and Framework Bill—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were disagreed to (see division lists 1 and 2); amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; amendments were agreed to; the House was resumed after clause 41 stood part. The House was adjourned at seventeen minutes before two o’clock in the morning of Tuesday 2nd June till later the same day, half-past two o’clock in the afternoon. DIVISIONS Division No. 1 SCHOOL STANDARDS AND FRAMEWORK BILL It was moved by the Lord Pilkington of Oxenford, after Clause 24, to insert the new Clause (Right of appeal against decision of adjudicator); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the Committee divided: Contents.............45 Not-Contents.............51 CONTENTS Addington, L. Aldington, L. Anelay of St. Johns, B. Baker of Dorking, L. Biddulph, L. Blackwell, L. Blatch, B. Byford, B. [Teller] Carnegy of Lour, B. Carnock, L. Chesham, L. Cope of Berkeley, L. Cox, B. Dholakia, L. Dixon-Smith, L. Fookes, B. Gray of Contin, L. Lauderdale, E. Leigh, L. Lucas, L. Luke, L. Lyell, L. Mackintosh of Halifax, V. McNair, L. Maddock, B. Newby, L. Nicholson of Winterbourne, B. Page 838 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top Northesk, E. Norton, L. Palmer, L. Pearson of Rannoch, L. Pilkington of Oxenford, L. Renton, L. Rowallan, L. St. John of Fawsley, L. Seccombe, B. Skelmersdale, L. Strange, B. Strathclyde, L. [Teller] Swinfen, L. Thomas of Gresford, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thurso, V. Wise, L. Young, B. NOT-CONTENTS Archer of Sandwell, L. Barnett, L. Berkeley, L. Blackstone, B. Burlison, L. Carter, L. David, B. Davies of Coity, L. Davies of Oldham, L. Dean of Beswick, L. Desai, L. Donoughue, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Dubs, L. Elis-Thomas, L. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Fitt, L. Gallacher, L. Gilbert, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Grenfell, L. Haskel, L. Hollis of Heigham, B. Hoyle, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Islwyn, L. Janner of Braunstone, L. Jay of Paddington, B. Jenkins of Putney, L. Lockwood, B. McCarthy, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller] Mallalieu, B. Milner of Leeds, L. Molloy, L. Monkswell, L. Montague of Oxford, L. Nicol, B. Orme, L. Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L. Puttnam, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. [Teller] Renwick of Clifton, L. Ripon, Bp. Scotland of Asthal, B. Simon, V. Smith of Gilmorehill, B. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Thomas of Macclesfield, L. Walker of Doncaster, L. Whitty, L. Division No. 2 SCHOOL STANDARDS AND FRAMEWORK BILL It was moved by the Lord Pilkington of Oxenford, in Clause 25, page 23, line 10, at end to insert— (“( ) No school organisation plan prepared under this section shall include proposals to— (a) discontinue sixth form provision at a particular school; (b) introduce pupils of the opposite sex into any age group or teaching group in a particular school in which that school currently offers single sex education; or (c) eliminate selection by ability, in part or in whole, unless the proposals submitted within the school organisation plan have previously been accepted by the governing body and parents of the school concerned.”); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the Committee divided: Contents.............16 Not-Contents.............43 CONTENTS Blackwell, L. Blatch, B. Byford, B. [Teller] Carnegy of Lour, B. Carnock, L. Chesham, L. Lauderdale, E. Leigh, L. Lucas, L. Northesk, E. Pilkington of Oxenford, L. Rowallan, L. Seccombe, B. [Teller] Swinfen, L. Wise, L. Young, B. NOT-CONTENTS Berkeley, L. Blackstone, B. Burlison, L. Carter, L. David, B. Davies of Coity, L. Davies of Oldham, L. Donoughue, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Dubs, L. Elis-Thomas, L. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Gallacher, L. Gilbert, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Grenfell, L. Haskel, L. [Teller] Hollis of Heigham, B. Hoyle, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Islwyn, L. Jay of Paddington, B. Lockwood, B. McCarthy, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller] Maddock, B. Mallalieu, B. Milner of Leeds, L. Monkswell, L. Newby, L. Nicholson of Winterbourne, B. Nicol, B. Orme, L. Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L. Puttnam, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Renwick of Clifton, L. Scotland of Asthal, B. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Thomas of Gresford, L. Thomas of Macclesfield, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Whitty, L.