House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)

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Thursday 4 June 1998

The House met at three o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Abercorn, D.
Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Balfour, E.
Balfour of Burleigh, L.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Beloff, L.
Berkeley, L.
Biddulph, L.
Birdwood, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Brentford, V.
Brightman, L.
Broadbridge, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Calverley, L.
 Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carew, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carnarvon, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Carrick, E.
Carter, L.
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Chadlington, L.
Chalfont, L.
Chandos, V.
Chelmsford, V.
Chesham, L.
Chorley, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleridge, L.
Colwyn, L.
Cooke of Islandreagh, L.
Cooke of Thorndon, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Cranborne, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Dahrendorf, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
Dartmouth, E.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Freyne, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dearing, L.
Denbigh, E.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Diamond, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon, L.
 Dixon-Smith, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Downshire, M.
Drogheda, E.
Dubs, L.
Dundonald, E.
Dunrossil, V.
Elibank, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Erroll, E.
Erroll of Hale, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Foley, L.
Fookes, B.
Gainford, L.
Gainsborough, E.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geraint, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gilmour of Craigmillar, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Glasgow, E.
Glenamara, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Gormanston, V.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Grimston of Westbury, L.
Haddington, E.
Halsbury, E.
Hankey, L.
Hanworth, V.
Hardie, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardwicke, E.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harlech, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L.
Hattersley, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Hayter, L.
Hemphill, L.
Henderson of Brompton, L.
Henley, L.

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Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hood, V.
Hooson, L.
Hothfield, L.
Howe, E.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Tanworth, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Jacobs, L.
James of Holland Park, B.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Jopling, L.
Judd, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kennet, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kimball, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Kirkwood, L.
Kitchener, E.
Knollys, V.
Lane, L.
Lane of Horsell, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Layton, L.
Leigh, L.
Lindsey and Abingdon, E.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Liverpool, E.
Lockwood, B.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lovell-Davis, L.
Lowry, L.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Ludford, B.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McCarthy, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
McFarlane of Llandaff, B.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Clashfern, L.
 Macleod of Borve, B.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Mersey, V.
Methuen, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monckton of Brenchley, V.
Monkswell, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Moran, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moyne, L.
Munster, E.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Nelson, E.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Onslow, E.
Orme, L.
Orr-Ewing, L.
Oxfuird, V.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Pender, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Plumb, L.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prentice, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
 Puttnam, L.
Pym, L.
Quinton, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rawlinson of Ewell, L.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reading, M.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Rennell, L.
Renton, L.
Renwick, L.
Richard, L.
Ripon, Bp.
Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Robertson of Oakridge, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Romney, E.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Russell, E.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Sainsbury, L.
Sainsbury of Turville, L.
Saint Albans, D.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandwich, E.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selborne, E.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Selsdon, L.
Shannon, E.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Sheppard of Liverpool, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Shrewsbury, E.
Shuttleworth, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Stallard, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stockton, E.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strange, B.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.

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Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Tebbit, L.
Tenby, V.
Teviot, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thurlow, L.
Thurso, V.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trumpington, B.
Turner of Camden, B.
Vinson, L.
 Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakefield, Bp.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Coslany, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warnock, B.
Waterford, M.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Waverley, V.
 Weatherill, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Westbury, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitty, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Winston, L.
Wise, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Young, B.
Young of Old Scone, B.
Zouche of Haryngworth, L.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Wakefield.

Judicial Business

1.Regina v. Secretary of State for the Home Department (Respondent) ex parte Simms (A.P.) (Appellant) (England)—The appeal of Ian Simms was presented and it was ordered that in accordance with Standing Order VI the statement and appendix thereto be lodged on or before 16th July next.
2.Foskett (suing on his own behalf and on behalf of all other purchasers of plots of land at Mount Eden, Herrado do Cerro Alto Diogo, Martins, Algarve, Portugal) (Original Appellant and Cross-Respondent) v. McKeown (Original Respondent) and others (A.P.) (Original Respondents and Cross-Appellants) (England)—The cross-appeal of Daragh Timothy Murphy, Jason John Murphy and Louise Mary Murphy was presented and it was ordered that in accordance with Standing Order VI the statement and appendix thereto be lodged on or before 16th July next.
3.Regina v. North Yorkshire County Council (Appellants) ex parte Brown and another (Respondents) (England)—The appeal of North Yorkshire County Council was presented and it was ordered that in accordance with Standing Order VI the statement and appendix thereto be lodged on or before 16th July next.
4.Steed (Respondent) v. Home Office (Petitioner)—The petition of the Secretary of State for the Home Department praying for leave to appeal notwithstanding that the time limited by Standing Order II has expired was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.

Papers

5.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1. Horse Racing (Charges on Bookmakers) Order (Northern Ireland) 1998, laid under the Northern Ireland Act 1974;
 (—)
2.Plastic Materials and Articles in Contact with Food Regulations 1998, laid under the European Communities Act 1972;
 (1376)
3.Restrictive Trade Practices (Standards) (Services) Order 1998, laid under the Restrictive Trade Practices Act 1976.
 (1394)
6.Paper not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following paper was laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
Remit for the Monetary Policy Committee, laid under the Bank of England Act 1998.

Private Business

7.Shrewsbury and Atcham Borough Council Bill [HL]—The bill was read a third time and passed and sent to the Commons.

Public Business

8.Statute Law Repeals Bill [HL]—It was moved by the Lord Chancellor that the bill be now read a second time; the motion was agreed to and the bill was referred to the Joint Committee on Consolidation Bills.
9.School Standards and Framework Bill—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; an amendment was agreed to (see division list 1); further amendments were agreed to; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; an amendment was disagreed to (see division list 2); the House was resumed.

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10.Energy policy—The Lord Ezra asked Her Majesty’s Government what progress is being made in the formulation of an energy policy; after debate, the question was answered by the Lord Clinton-Davis.
11.School Standards and Framework Bill—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were agreed to; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the House was resumed after amendment 182.

The House was adjourned at two minutes past eleven o’clock
till tomorrow, eleven o’clock.

DIVISIONS

Division No. 1

SCHOOL STANDARDS AND FRAMEWORK BILL

It was moved by the Baroness Young, in Clause 42, page 34, line 24, at end to insert (“ ; and

(c) the aims and values of the school, and the ways in which the school intends to promote the spiritual, moral, social and cultural development of its pupils.”); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the Committee divided:

Contents.............119

Not-Contents.............104

CONTENTS

Addison, V.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Ashbourne, L.
Attlee, E.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Beloff, L.
Birdwood, L.
Blatch, B.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Brentford, V.
Broadbridge, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Burnham, L. [Teller]
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Chesham, L.
Coleridge, L.
Colwyn, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Craig of Radley, L.
Crathorne, L.
Cross, V.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Davidson, V.
Dearing, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Ellenborough, L.
 Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Fitt, L.
Foley, L.
Fookes, B.
Gainford, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Gilmour of Craigmillar, L.
Halsbury, E.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hemphill, L.
Higgins, L.
Holderness, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Howe, E.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Kimball, L.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kirkwood, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Layton, L.
Liverpool, E.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Luke, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
Macleod of Borve, B.
Marlesford, L.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Mersey, V.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milverton, L.
Monckton of Brenchley, V.
Monson, L.
 Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Munster, E.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Orr-Ewing, L.
Oxfuird, V.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Rawlings, B.
Reading, M.
Renton, L.
Ripon, Bp.
Rix, L.
Romney, E.
Sainsbury, L.
Sandwich, E.
Seccombe, B.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Sheppard of Liverpool, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Slim, V.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Stallard, L.
Stockton, E.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Teviot, L.
Thurlow, L.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warnock, B.
Weatherill, L.
Westbury, L.
Wharton, B.
Wilcox, B.
Wise, L.
Young, B. [Teller]

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NOT-CONTENTS

Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Blackstone, B.
Borrie, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Burlison, L.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Craigavon, V.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Diamond, L.
Dixon, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Gallacher, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
 Glasgow, E.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grenfell, L.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Haskel, L.
Hayman, B.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Judd, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kirkhill, L.
Leigh, L.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Lockwood, B.
Lovell-Davis, L.
McCarthy, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller]
Mallalieu, B.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
 Monkswell, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Nicol, B.
Orme, L.
Peston, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rea, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Richard, L. (Lord Privy Seal)
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Russell, E.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Wallace of Coslany, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Whitty, L.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winston, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.

Division No. 2

SCHOOL STANDARDS AND FRAMEWORK BILL

It was moved by the Baroness Blatch in Clause 46, page 37, line 24, at end to insert—

(“( ) Every maintained school shall have the right to receive and have control over its full share of the individual schools budget.”);

which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the Committee divided:

Contents.............21

Not-Contents.............61

CONTENTS

Baker of Dorking, L.
Blatch, B.
Byford, B. [Teller]
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Glenarthur, L.
 Hardwicke, E.
HolmPatrick, L.
Jopling, L.
Lucas, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Northesk, E.
Park of Monmouth, B.
 Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Rennell, L.
Seccombe, B. [Teller]
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Vivian, L.
Young, B.
Zouche of Haryngworth, L.

NOT-CONTENTS

Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Berkeley, L.
Blackstone, B.
Borrie, L.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
 Carlisle, E.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Chandos, V.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
 Desai, L.
Dixon, L.
Dubs, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Ezra, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Gallacher, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Grenfell, L.

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Hanworth, V.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Haskel, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)
Janner of Braunstone, L.
 Jay of Paddington, B.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Lovell-Davis, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller]
McNair, L.
Maddock, B.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Molloy, L.
Monkswell, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
 Puttnam, L.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Richard, L. (Lord Privy Seal)
Simon, V.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Whitty, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.