House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)

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Wednesday 10 June 1998

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Abercorn, D.
Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Aldington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allen of Abbeydale, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alport, L.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashburton, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor, V.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Balfour, E.
Banbury of Southam, L.
Barnard, L.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Beaverbrook, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Bellwin, L.
Beloff, L.
Belstead, L.
Berkeley, L.
Biddulph, L.
Birdwood, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blaker, L.
 Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Blyth, L.
Blyth of Rowington, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridges, L.
Brightman, L.
Broadbridge, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Carter, L.
Chadlington, L.
Chalfont, L.
Chorley, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Clwyd, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
 Coleraine, L.
Colwyn, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cowdray, V.
Cowdrey of Tonbridge, L.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Cranborne, V.
Crickhowell, L.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Dahrendorf, L.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donegall, M.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Dundee, E.
Dundonald, E.
Durham, Bp.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Erne, E.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Ewing of Kirkford, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.

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Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Feversham, L.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Freyberg, L.
Gainford, L.
Gainsborough, E.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Glenamara, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grantchester, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Habgood, L.
Hacking, L.
Hailsham of Saint Marylebone, L.
Halsbury, E.
Hampton, L.
Hamwee, B.
Hardie, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harmsworth, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L.
Haslam, L.
Hattersley, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Hayter, L.
Henley, L.
Hereford, Bp.
Higgins, L.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Home, E.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hussey of North Bradley, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Inchyra, L.
Inglewood, L.
 Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeffreys, L.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Johnston of Rockport, L.
Jopling, L.
Judd, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kennet, L.
Kenyon, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kilpatrick of Kincraig, L.
Kimball, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Kitchener, E.
Knollys, V.
Laing of Dunphail, L.
Lane of Horsell, L.
Lang of Monkton, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Layton, L.
Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Levy, L.
Lewis of Newnham, L.
Lindsay, E.
Liverpool, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Ludford, B.
Lytton, E.
Macclesfield, E.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Malmesbury, E.
Mar, C.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Meston, L.
Methuen, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
 Milner of Leeds, L.
Milverton, L.
Minto, E.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monckton of Brenchley, V.
Monkswell, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Napier of Magdâla, L.
Naseby, L.
Nathan, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Ogmore, L.
Onslow of Woking, L.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Orme, L.
Orr-Ewing, L.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Parkinson, L.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Pender, L.
Perth, E.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Pym, L.
Quinton, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rawlinson of Ewell, L.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.

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Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Renwick, L.
Renwick of Clifton, L.
Ripon, Bp.
Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rogers of Riverside, L.
Rowallan, L.
Russell, E.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Sainsbury, L.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandberg, L.
Sandwich, E.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Sempill, L.
Sewel, L.
Shannon, E.
Sharples, B.
Shaughnessy, L.
 Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Sheppard of Liverpool, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soper, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Stallard, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stockton, E.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strathalmond, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Strathcona and Mt. Royal, L.
Sudeley, L.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Tenby, V.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
 Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Tope, L.
Trumpington, B.
Turner of Camden, B.
Tweeddale, M.
Ullswater, V.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Westbury, L.
Whaddon, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitty, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Wilson of Tillyorn, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Winston, L.
Wise, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Young, B.
Young of Old Scone, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Ripon.

1.Leave of Absence—Leave of absence was granted to the Lord Chancellor for Monday 15th June.

Judicial Business

2.Barclays Bank Plc (Appellants) v. Boulter and Boulter (A.P.) (Respondent)—The petition of the appellants praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 29th July next (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed.

Papers

3.Command Papers—The following papers were presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Monopolies and Mergers Commission—Report on the proposed transfer to Johnston Press plc of the newspapers of Home Counties Newspapers Holdings plc;
 (3962)
2.Finance—Treasury Minute on the 26th and 28th to 30th Reports of the House of Commons Public Accounts Committee.
 (3973)
4.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.National Health Service (Service Committees and Tribunal) (Scotland) Amendment (No. 2) Regulations 1998, laid under the National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978;
 (1424)
2. (i)Merchant Shipping (Prevention of Pollution by Garbage) Regulations 1998—(1377)
(ii)Merchant Shipping (Navigation Bridge Visibility) Regulations 1998—(1419)
laid under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995;
3.Magistrates’ Courts Committees (Devon and Cornwall) Amalgamation Order 1998, laid under the Justices of the Peace Act 1997;
 (1432)
4. (i)New Deal (Miscellaneous Provisions) (Amendment) Order 1998—(1425)
(ii)Training for Work (Miscellaneous Provisions) (Amendment) Order 1998—(1426)
laid under the Employment Act 1988;
5.Merchant Shipping (Port State Control) (Amendment) Regulations 1998, laid under the European Communities Act 1972.
 (1433)

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5.Paper not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following paper was laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
Consent to Transfer to Johnston Press plc the newspapers of Home Counties Newspapers Holdings plc following a report from the Monopolies and Mergers Commission, laid under the Fair Trading Act 1973.

Public Business

6.European Communities (Amendment) Bill—The bill was returned from the Commons with the amendment disagreed to with a reason for such disagreement; it was ordered that the reason be printed. (HL Bill 123)
7.Late Payment of Commercial Debts (Interest) Bill [HL]—The Commons amendments were considered and agreed to.
8.School Standards and Framework Bill—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; amendments were agreed to; an amendment was disagreed to (see division list); the House was resumed.
9.Lomúe; Convention and the Caribbean—The Baroness Young asked Her Majesty’s Government what is their policy towards the European Commission’s negotiating Directive for a post-Lomé agreement, with particular regard to the Caribbean; after debate, the question was answered by the Lord Whitty.
10.School Standards and Framework Bill—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; amendments were agreed to; the House was resumed after Clause 118 stood part.

The House was adjourned at eleven minutes past eleven o’clock
till tomorrow, three o’clock.

DIVISION

SCHOOL STANDARDS AND FRAMEWORK BILL

It was moved by the Lord Pilkington of Oxenford, in Clause 102, page 78, line 3, at end to insert—

(“( ) Any revision of the admission arrangements of a school under this section shall be subject to a ballot of parents.”);

which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the Committee divided:

Contents.............49

Not-Contents.............82

CONTENTS

Alexander of Tunis, E.
Annaly, L.
Attlee, E.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Belstead, L.
Blatch, B.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Burnham, L.
Byford, B. [Teller]
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Cranborne, V.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Fookes, B.
Haslam, L.
Hayhoe, L.
 Henley, L.
Inglewood, L.
Jopling, L.
Kimball, L.
Kintore, E.
Leigh, L.
Liverpool, E.
McConnell, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Malmesbury, E.
Marlesford, L.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Milverton, L.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
 Norton, L.
Palmer, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rawlings, B.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
St. John of Bletso, L.
Seccombe, B. [Teller]
Sharples, B.
Skidelsky, L.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Ullswater, V.
Wharton, B.
Young, B.

NOT-CONTENTS

Acton, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Berkeley, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blease, L.
Burlison, L.
 Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
 Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Desai, L.
Dixon, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.

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Dubs, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Ewing of Kirkford, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Gallacher, L.
Gilbert, L.
Glenamara, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Haskel, L.
Hayman, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor)
Janner of Braunstone, L.
 Jay of Paddington, B.
Judd, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kilbracken, L.
Kirkhill, L.
Levy, L.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller]
Mackie of Benshie, L.
McNair, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Molloy, L.
Monkswell, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Newby, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Nicol, B.
Orme, L.
 Pitkeathley, B.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rea, L.
Redesdale, L.
Renwick of Clifton, L.
Rogers of Riverside, L.
Sandberg, L.
Simon, V.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Tope, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Whaddon, L.
Whitty, L.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Winston, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.