House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98) |
Lords Journals Contents Index Alphabetical list of Lords Minutes and Order Papers |
Wednesday 24 June 1998 The House met at half-past two oclock. The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present: Irvine of Lairg, L.
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Cumberlege, B. Currie of Marylebone, L. Dacre of Glanton, L. Dahrendorf, L. Darcy de Knayth, B. Dartmouth, E. David, B. Davidson, V. Davies, L. Davies of Oldham, L. Dean of Beswick, L. Dean of Harptree, L. Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B. Denbigh, E. Denham, L. Denton of Wakefield, B. Desai, L. Dholakia, L. Diamond, L. Dixon, L. Dixon-Smith, L. Donegall, M. Dormand of Easington, L. Dubs, L. Dundonald, E. Durham, Bp. Elis-Thomas, L. Ellenborough, L. Elliott of Morpeth, L. Elton, L. Erroll, E. Evans of Parkside, L. Ezra, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Falkland, V. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Fisher of Rednal, B. Fitt, L. Flather, B. Foley, L. Fookes, B. Fraser of Carmyllie, L. Freyberg, L. Gainford, L. Gallacher, L. Gardner of Parkes, B. Geddes, L. Geraint, L. Gibson-Watt, L. Gilbert, L. Gisborough, L. Gladwin of Clee, L. Gladwyn, L. Glenarthur, L. Glentoran, L. Goodhart, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Gould of Potternewton, B. Gowrie, E. Graham of Edmonton, L. Grantchester, L. Gray of Contin, L. Greenway, L. Gregson, L. Grey, E. Grimston of Westbury, L. Hacking, L. Halsbury, E. Hampton, L. |
Hamwee, B. Harding of Petherton, L. Hardwicke, E. Hardy of Wath, L. Harris of Greenwich, L. Harrowby, E. Haskel, L. Haslam, L. Hayhoe, L. Hayman, B. Hayter, L. Healey, L. Henderson of Brompton, L. Henley, L. Higgins, L. Hilton of Eggardon, B. Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Holderness, L. Hollis of Heigham, B. Holme of Cheltenham, L. HolmPatrick, L. Home, E. Hooper, B. Hooson, L. Howe, E. Howie of Troon, L. Hoyle, L. Hughes, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Wirral, L. Hussey of North Bradley, L. Hylton, L. Hylton-Foster, B. Ilchester, E. Inchcape, E. Inchyra, L. Inglewood, L. Ironside, L. Islwyn, L. Jacobs, L. Janner of Braunstone, L. Jay of Paddington, B. Jeffreys, L. Jenkins of Hillhead, L. Jenkins of Putney, L. Johnston of Rockport, L. Jopling, L. Kennedy of The Shaws, B. Kennet, L. Kilbracken, L. Kimball, L. Kingsland, L. Kinloss, Ly. Kinnoull, E. Kirkhill, L. Kitchener, E. Knight of Collingtree, B. Knollys, V. Lane, L. Lauderdale, E. Lawrence, L. Leicester, E. Leigh, L. Levy, L. Lindsay, E. Linklater of Butterstone, B. Liverpool, E. Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E. Lockwood, B. |
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. Long, V. Longford, E. Lowry, L. Lucas, L. Lucas of Chilworth, L. Ludford, B. Luke, L. Lyell, L. McCarthy, L. Macclesfield, E. McColl of Dulwich, L. McConnell, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L. Mackay of Drumadoon, L. Mackie of Benshie, L. MacLaurin of Knebworth, L. McNair, L. McNally, L. Maddock, B. Mallalieu, B. Manchester, Bp. Mancroft, L. Mar, C. Mar and Kellie, E. Marlesford, L. Marsh, L. Masham of Ilton, B. Mason of Barnsley, L. Massereene and Ferrard, V. Mayhew of Twysden, L. Merlyn-Rees, L. Merrivale, L. Meston, L. Miller of Hendon, B. Milner of Leeds, L. Milverton, L. Minto, E. Mishcon, L. Molyneaux of Killead, L. Monkswell, L. Monro of Langholm, L. Monson, L. Montagu of Beaulieu, L. Montague of Oxford, L. Montgomery of Alamein, V. Morris of Castle Morris, L. Morris of Manchester, L. Mottistone, L. Mountevans, L. Mowbray and Stourton, L. Moyne, L. Moynihan, L. Munster, E. Murray of Epping Forest, L. Napier and Ettrick, L. Naseby, L. Nathan, L. Nelson, E. Newby, L. Newton of Braintree, L. Nicol, B. Noel-Buxton, L. Norrie, L. Northbourne, L. Northesk, E. Norton, L. Norwich, Bp. |
OCathain, B. Ogmore, L. Onslow, E. Onslow of Woking, L. Oppenheim-Barnes, B. Orme, L. Orr-Ewing, L. Oxford, Bp. Oxfuird, V. Palmer, L. Park of Monmouth, B. Parkinson, L. Patten, L. Paul, L. Pearson of Rannoch, L. Pender, L. Perry of Walton, L. Peston, L. Peyton of Yeovil, L. Pilkington of Oxenford, L. Pitkeathley, B. Plummer of St. Marylebone, L. Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L. Prys-Davies, L. Puttnam, L. Quirk, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Rankeillour, L. Rathcavan, L. Rawlings, B. Razzall, L. Rea, L. Reay, L. Redesdale, L. Rees, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L. Rennell, L. Renton, L. Renwick, L. Richard, L. Richardson, L. Ripon, Bp. Ritchie of Dundee, L. Rix, L. Roberts of Conwy, L. |
Rochester, L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Rogers of Riverside, L. Rotherwick, L. Rowallan, L. Russell, E. Ryder of Warsaw, B. Ryder of Wensum, L. Sainsbury, L. Sainsbury of Turville, L. Saint Albans, D. St. Davids, V. St. John of Bletso, L. St. John of Fawsley, L. Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly. Sandwich, E. Seccombe, B. Selkirk of Douglas, L. Serota, B. Sewel, L. Shannon, E. Shaughnessy, L. Shepherd, L. Shore of Stepney, L. Simon, V. Simon of Glaisdale, L. Skidelsky, L. Slim, V. Smith of Clifton, L. Smith of Gilmorehill, B. Soper, L. Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L. Stafford, L. Stair, E. Stallard, L. Steel of Aikwood, L. Stewartby, L. Stodart of Leaston, L. Stoddart of Swindon, L. Stone of Blackheath, L. Strabolgi, L. Strafford, E. Strange, B. Strathcarron, L. Strathclyde, L. Sudeley, L. Suffolk and Berkshire, E. |
Swansea, L. Swinfen, L. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Taylor of Warwick, L. Tenby, V. Teviot, L. Teynham, L. Thomas of Gresford, L. Thomas of Gwydir, L. Thomas of Macclesfield, L. Thomas of Swynnerton, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thomson of Monifieth, L. Thurlow, L. Thurso, V. Tope, L. Tordoff, L. Trenchard, V. Trumpington, B. Turner of Camden, B. Tweeddale, M. Ullswater, V. Vivian, L. Waddington, L. Wade of Chorlton, L. Wakefield, Bp. Wakeham, L. Walker of Doncaster, L. Walker of Worcester, L. Wallace of Saltaire, L. Warnock, B. Watson of Invergowrie, L. Waverley, V. Weatherill, L. Westbury, L. Whaddon, L. Wharton, B. Whitty, L. Wigoder, L. Williams of Crosby, B. Williams of Elvel, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Wilson of Tillyorn, L. Winchester, Bp. Winchilsea and Nottingham, E. Wise, L. Wrenbury, L. Young of Old Scone, B. |
PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Leicester.
Papers
1. | Command PaperThe following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table: Anti-Personnel MinesConvention on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on their Destruction. |
2. | Negative InstrumentsThe following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table: |
1. | Civil Aviation (Route Charges for Navigation Services) (Amendment) Regulations 1998, laid under the Civil Aviation Act 1982; |
(1537) |
2. | Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (Supply and Sale of Equipment) (Penalties and Licences) Regulations 1998, laid under the European Communities Act 1972; |
(1531) |
3. | Education (Grants for Education Support and Training) (Wales) (Amendment) Regulations 1998, laid under the Education Act 1996. |
(1489) |
3. | Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedingsThe following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table: |
1. | Health Service Commissioner |
(i) | Report for 199798 |
(ii) | 4th Report on investigations completed from October 1997 to March 1998 laid under the Health Service Commissioners Act 1993; |
2. | Report for January 1997 to March 1998 of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Administration, laid under the Parliamentary Commissioner Act 1967; |
3. | Report for 199798 of the Police Complaints Authority, laid under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984. |
Select Committee Reports
4. | Delegated Powers and DeregulationThe following report from the Select Committee was made and ordered to be printed: 24th Report, on the Scotland Bill. (HL Paper 124) |
5. | Consolidation BillsThe 3rd report from the Joint Committee, being a report on the Statute Law (Repeals) Bill [HL], was made and ordered to be printed (together with the minutes of proceedings and the minutes of evidence). (HL Paper 123I & II) |
Public Business
6. | GibraltarThe petition of 16,200 inhabitants of Gibraltar, praying that this House will support the amendment to the European Parliamentary Elections Bill which seeks to enfranchise British and other European Union nationals resident in Gibraltar, was presented by the Lord Bethell and ordered to lie on the Table. |
7. | Government of Wales BillIt was moved by the Lord Williams of Mostyn that the amendments for the Report Stage be marshalled and considered in the following order: |
Clauses 1 and 2 | Clause 113 |
Schedule 1 | Schedule 11 |
Clauses 3 to 22 | Clauses 114 to 125 |
Schedules 2 and 3 | Schedule 12 |
Clauses 23 to 28 | Clauses 126 and 127 |
Schedule 4 | Schedule 13 |
Clauses 29 to 74 | Clause 128 |
Schedule 5 | Schedule 14 |
Clauses 75 to 104 | Clause 129 |
Schedule 6 | Schedule 15 |
Clause 105 | Clauses 130 to 140 |
Schedule 7 | Schedule 16 |
Clauses 106 to 109 | Clauses 141 to 144 |
Schedule 8 | Schedule 17 |
Clauses 110 and 111 | Clauses 145 to 152 |
Schedule 9 | Schedule 18 |
Clause 112 | Clauses 153 to 159; |
Schedule 10 |
the motion was agreed to.
8. | Crime and Disorder Bill [HL]The bill was returned from the Commons agreed to with amendments and with a privilege amendment; it was ordered that the amendments be printed. (HL Bill 131) |
9. | Sea Fisheries (Shellfish) (Amendment) Bill [HL]The bill was read a third time and passed and sent to the Commons. |
10. | European Parliamentary Elections BillThe House resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; amendments were disagreed to (see division lists 1 and 2); the House was resumed. |
11. | Statute Law (Repeals) Bill [HL]The bill was reported from the Joint Committee with an amendment and re-committed to a Committee of the Whole House; it was ordered that the bill be printed as amended. (HL Bill 132) |
12. | Road Traffic Reduction (National Targets) BillThe report was received; an amendment was moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn; an amendment was disagreed to (see division list 3). |
The House was adjourned during pleasure.
The House was resumed.
13. | European Parliamentary Elections BillThe House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; an amendment was moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the House was resumed after Amendment 14. |
The House was adjourned at twenty minutes before ten oclock
till tomorrow, two oclock for judicial business, three oclock for public business.
DIVISIONS
Division No. 1
EUROPEAN PARLIAMENTARY ELECTIONS BILL
It was moved by the Lord Holme of Cheltenham, in Clause 1, page 1, line 9, at end to insert (according to the system set out in sections 3 to 3B); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the Committee divided:
Contents.............73
Not-Contents.............89
CONTENTS
Addington, L. Alton of Liverpool, L. Avebury, L. Bath, M. Beaumont of Whitley, L. Bridges, L. Calverley, L. Carlisle, E. Cawley, L. Chalker of Wallasey, B. Coleraine, L. Dahrendorf, L. Davies, L. Dholakia, L. Erroll, E. Ezra, L. Falkland, V. Gladwyn, L. Goodhart, L. Grey, E. Hampton, L. Hamwee, B. Harris of Greenwich, L. |
Holme of Cheltenham, L. Hooson, L. Howie of Troon, L. Inchyra, L. Inglewood, L. Jacobs, L. Kitchener, E. Linklater of Butterstone, B. Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E. Ludford, B. Mackie of Benshie, L. McNair, L. McNally, L. [Teller] Maddock, B. Mar and Kellie, E. Meston, L. Milverton, L. Naseby, L. Nathan, L. Newby, L. [Teller] Northesk, E. Ogmore, L. Onslow of Woking, L. Perry of Walton, L. |
Razzall, L. Redesdale, L. Ritchie of Dundee, L. Rochester, L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Russell, E. Sainsbury, L. Smith of Clifton, L. Stafford, L. Steel of Aikwood, L. Thomas of Gresford, L. Thomas of Swynnerton, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thomson of Monifieth, L. Thurso, V. Tope, L. Tordoff, L. Vivian, L. Wallace of Saltaire, L. Warnock, B. Weatherill, L. Wharton, B. Wigoder, L. Williams of Crosby, B. Wilson of Tillyorn, L. Winchilsea and Nottingham, E. |
NOT-CONTENTS
Acton, L. Ailesbury, M. Allenby of Megiddo, V. Amos, B. Archer of Sandwell, L. Barnett, L. Berkeley, L. Blackstone, B. Blatch, B. Blease, L. Brooks of Tremorfa, L. Burlison, L. Carter, L. [Teller] Charteris of Amisfield, L. Clinton-Davis, L. Currie of Marylebone, L. David, B. Dean of Beswick, L. Desai, L. Diamond, L. Dixon, L. |
Dubs, L. Elis-Thomas, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Fraser of Carmyllie, L. Gallacher, L. Gladwin of Clee, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Gould of Potternewton, B. Graham of Edmonton, L. Grantchester, L. Gregson, L. Halsbury, E. Hardy of Wath, L. Haskel, L. Hayman, B. Healey, L. Hilton of Eggardon, B. Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Hollis of Heigham, B. Hoyle, L. Hughes, L. |
Hughes of Woodside, L. Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor) Janner of Braunstone, L. Jay of Paddington, B. Jenkins of Putney, L. Kennedy of The Shaws, B. Kennet, L. Kilbracken, L. Kirkhill, L. Lockwood, B. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller] Mallalieu, B. Marlesford, L. Mason of Barnsley, L. Merlyn-Rees, L. Miller of Hendon, B. Mishcon, L. Monkswell, L. Montague of Oxford, L. Morris of Manchester, L. Nicol, B. Orme, L. Paul, L. Peston, L. |
Pitkeathley, B. Prys-Davies, L. Puttnam, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. |
Richard, L. (Lord Privy Seal) Serota, B. Sewel, L. Shepherd, L. Simon, V. Smith of Gilmorehill, B. |
Strabolgi, L. Strange, B. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Turner of Camden, B. Walker of Doncaster, L. Whitty, L. Williams of Elvel, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Young of Old Scone, B. |
Division No. 2
EUROPEAN PARLIAMENTARY ELECTIONS BILL
It was moved by the Lord Bethell, in Clause 1, page 1, line 9, at end insert:
((2) In this Act, unless the context otherwise requires, United Kingdom, Great Britain and England include Gibraltar.);
which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the Committee divided:
Contents.............67
Not-Contents.............110
CONTENTS
Allenby of Megiddo, V. Alton of Liverpool, L. Ashbourne, L. Berners, B. Bethell, L. [Teller] Blatch, B. Cadman, L. Carlisle, E. Carnock, L. Chesham, L. Chorley, L. Clancarty, E. Craigavon, V. Crickhowell, L. Darcy de Knayth, B. Elton, L. Freyberg, L. Gardner of Parkes, B. Greenway, L. Gregson, L. Grey, E. |
Hardwicke, E. Hardy of Wath, L. Harrowby, E. Henley, L. Holderness, L. Hooper, B. Hughes, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Wirral, L. Hylton, L. Inglewood, L. Islwyn, L. Janner of Braunstone, L. Kitchener, E. Lawrence, L. Leigh, L. Liverpool, E. Lucas of Chilworth, L. Lyell, L. McConnell, L. Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L. Mancroft, L. |
Masham of Ilton, B. Massereene and Ferrard, V. Merrivale, L. Milverton, L. Minto, E. Monson, L. Mountevans, L. Norrie, L. Northesk, E. Norton, L. OCathain, B. Park of Monmouth, B. Rotherwick, L. Rowallan, L. Shepherd, L. [Teller] Skidelsky, L. Stoddart of Swindon, L. Strange, B. Thomas of Gwydir, L. Turner of Camden, B. Waddington, L. Wharton, B. Wise, L. Wrenbury, L. |
NOT-CONTENTS
Acton, L. Addington, L. Amos, B. Ampthill, L. Archer of Sandwell, L. Avebury, L. Barnett, L. Bassam of Brighton, L. Beaumont of Whitley, L. Berkeley, L. Blackstone, B. Blease, L. Borrie, L. Burlison, L. Calverley, L. Carter, L. [Teller] Chandos, V. Clinton-Davis, L. Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Currie of Marylebone, L. |
David, B. Davies of Oldham, L. Dean of Beswick, L. Desai, L. Diamond, L. Dixon, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Dubs, L. Elis-Thomas, L. Evans of Parkside, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Gallacher, L. Gilbert, L. Gladwin of Clee, L. Goodhart, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Gould of Potternewton, B. Graham of Edmonton, L. Grantchester, L. Hacking, L. |
Hamwee, B. Harris of Greenwich, L. Haskel, L. Hayman, B. Hilton of Eggardon, B. Hollis of Heigham, B. Holme of Cheltenham, L. Howie of Troon, L. Hoyle, L. Jenkins of Hillhead, L. Jenkins of Putney, L. Kennedy of The Shaws, B. Kilbracken, L. Kirkhill, L. Linklater of Butterstone, B. Lockwood, B. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. Longford, E. McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller] McNair, L. McNally, L. Maddock, B. |
Mallalieu, B. Mar and Kellie, E. Mason of Barnsley, L. Merlyn-Rees, L. Milner of Leeds, L. Monkswell, L. Montague of Oxford, L. Montgomery of Alamein, V. Morris of Castle Morris, L. Morris of Manchester, L. Newby, L. Nicol, B. Ogmore, L. Orme, L. Perry of Walton, L. |
Peston, L. Pitkeathley, B. Prys-Davies, L. Puttnam, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Razzall, L. Redesdale, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Richard, L. (Lord Privy Seal) Rochester, L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Rogers of Riverside, L. Russell, E. Serota, B. |
Sewel, L. Simon, V. Smith of Clifton, L. Steel of Aikwood, L. Stone of Blackheath, L. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Thomas of Gresford, L. Thomas of Macclesfield, L. Thomas of Swynnerton, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thurso, V. Tope, L. Walker of Doncaster, L. Whitty, L. Williams of Elvel, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Young of Old Scone, B. |
Division No. 3
ROAD TRAFFIC REDUCTION (NATIONAL TARGETS) BILL
It was moved by the Lord Lucas of Chilworth, in Clause 2, page 2, line 5, at end to insert (, and
(c) the needs of business, commerce and industry.); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:Contents.............28
Not-Contents.............72
CONTENTS
Allenby of Megiddo, V. Anelay of St. Johns, B. Attlee, E. [Teller] Brabazon of Tara, L. Brougham and Vaux, L. Chesham, L. Dixon-Smith, L. Fookes, B. |
Haslam, L. Henley, L. HolmPatrick, L. Inglewood, L. Lucas of Chilworth, L. [Teller] Lyell, L. McConnell, L. Massereene and Ferrard, V. Merrivale, L. |
Miller of Hendon, B. Mountevans, L. Mowbray and Stourton, L. Northesk, E. Norton, L. Park of Monmouth, B. Rowallan, L. Thomas of Gwydir, L. Trenchard, V. Waddington, L. Wise, L. |
NOT-CONTENTS
Acton, L. Addington, L. Amos, B. Avebury, L. Barnett, L. Bassam of Brighton, L. Berkeley, L. [Teller] Borrie, L. Calverley, L. Carlisle, E. Carter, L. Clancarty, E. Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Currie of Marylebone, L. David, B. Desai, L. Dholakia, L. Dixon, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Dubs, L. Elis-Thomas, L. [Teller] Evans of Parkside, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. |
Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Gilbert, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Gould of Potternewton, B. Graham of Edmonton, L. Grey, E. Hamwee, B. Hardy of Wath, L. Haskel, L. Hayman, B. Hilton of Eggardon, B. Howie of Troon, L. Hoyle, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Islwyn, L. Kennedy of The Shaws, B. Kilbracken, L. Kirkhill, L. Lockwood, B. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. McNair, L. McNally, L. Maddock, B. Mallalieu, B. |
Mar and Kellie, E. Merlyn-Rees, L. Milner of Leeds, L. Monkswell, L. Montague of Oxford, L. Nicol, B. Orme, L. Pitkeathley, B. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Redesdale, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Russell, E. Sewel, L. Shepherd, L. Simon, V. Steel of Aikwood, L. Stoddart of Swindon, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thurso, V. Tope, L. Turner of Camden, B. Whitty, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Young of Old Scone, B. |