House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)

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Wednesday 15 July 1998

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Aldington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alport, L.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Arran, E.
Ashbourne, L.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Balfour, E.
Balfour of Inchrye, L.
Barber, L.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Beaverbrook, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Bellwin, L.
Beloff, L.
Belstead, L.
Berkeley, L.
Berners, B.
Biddulph, L.
Biffen, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blackwell, L.
Blake, L.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Bledisloe, V.
Blyth, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Brain, L.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Bramall, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridgeman, V.
Bridges, L.
Brightman, L.
Broadbridge, L.
 Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Caldecote, V.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carew, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Carrick, E.
Carrington, L.
Carter, L.
Carver, L.
Chalfont, L.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.
Chandos, V.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chesham, L.
Chorley, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Clwyd, L.
Cobbold, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleridge, L.
Colwyn, L.
Congleton, L.
Constantine of Stanmore, L.
Cooke of Thorndon, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Cranborne, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
 Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Denbigh, E.
Denham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Desai, L.
Devonport, V.
Dholakia, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donaldson of Lymington, L.
Donegall, M.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Downshire, M.
Dubs, L.
Dundonald, E.
Eatwell, L.
Elibank, L.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Erne, E.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gainford, L.
Gainsborough, E.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Geraint, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Glenamara, L.
Glentoran, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gormanston, V.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grantchester, L.

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Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Grimston of Westbury, L.
Hacking, L.
Halsbury, E.
Hampden, V.
Hampton, L.
Hamwee, B.
Hardie, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardinge of Penshurst, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of High Cross, L.
Haskel, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Hayter, L.
Hemphill, L.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Home, E.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Hothfield, L.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Inchcape, E.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Jacobs, L.
James of Holland Park, B.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Johnston of Rockport, L.
Jopling, L.
Judd, L.
Kenilworth, L.
Kennet, L.
Kenyon, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kilmarnock, L.
Kimball, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Kirkwood, L.
Knights, L.
 Knollys, V.
Laing of Dunphail, L.
Lang of Monkton, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Lewin, L.
Lindsay, E.
Lindsey and Abingdon, E.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Liverpool, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lowry, L.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Ludford, B.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
Lytton, E.
Macclesfield, E.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Clashfern, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
Mackintosh of Halifax, V.
Macleod of Borve, B.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Malmesbury, E.
Mancroft, L.
Manners, L.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Minto, E.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monk Bretton, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Monteagle of Brandon, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Montrose, D.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mountgarret, V.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
 Moyne, L.
Munster, E.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Naseby, L.
Nathan, L.
Nelson, E.
Nelson of Stafford, L.
Newall, L.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norfolk, D.
Norrie, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Onslow, E.
Onslow of Woking, L.
Orme, L.
Orr-Ewing, L.
Oxford, Bp.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Pender, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Porter of Luddenham, L.
Prior, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Pym, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rawlinson of Ewell, L.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Renwick, L.
Renwick of Clifton, L.
Richard, L.
Ripon, Bp.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Ryder of Warsaw, B.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Sainsbury, L.

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Saint Albans, D.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sanderson of Bowden, L.
Sandwich, E.
Savile, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Seafield, E.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selborne, E.
Sempill, L.
Sewel, L.
Shannon, E.
Sharples, B.
Shepherd, L.
Sheppard of Liverpool, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Shrewsbury, E.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soper, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Stafford, L.
 Stair, E.
Stallard, L.
Stanley of Alderley, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stockton, E.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strafford, E.
Strange, B.
Strathclyde, L.
Sudeley, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tebbit, L.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurlow, L.
Thurso, V.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trenchard, V.
Trumpington, B.
 Tryon, L.
Tugendhat, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Ullswater, V.
Varley, L.
Vinson, L.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walpole, L.
Warnock, B.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Westbury, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilcox, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Wilson of Tillyorn, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Winston, L.
Wise, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Young, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Oxford.

Judicial Business

1.Hartle (Respondent) v. Messrs. Laceys (a firm) (Petitioners)—Upon application by the petitioners (the agents for the respondent consenting thereto), it was ordered that the petition be withdrawn and that there be no order as to costs.

Papers

2.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Local Government Act 1988 (Defined Activities) (Exemption) (Bournemouth Borough Council and North West Leicestershire District Council) Order 1998, laid under the Local Government Act 1988;
 (1661)
2. (i)Ecclesiastical Judges and Legal Officers (Fees) Order 1998—(1711)
(ii)Legal Officers (Annual Fees) Order 1998—(1712)
(iii)Parochial Fees Order 1998—(1714)
laid under the Ecclesiastical Fees Measure 1986;
3.Faculty Jurisdiction (Appeals) Rules 1998, laid under the Care of Churches and Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction Measure 1991;
 (1713)
4.National Institutions of The Church of England (Transfer of Functions) Order 1998, laid under the National Institutions Measure 1998.
 (1715)
3.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Welsh Development Agency:
(i)Report for 1997–98—
(ii)Accounts for 1997–98, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General—
laid under the Welsh Development Agency Act 1975;
2.Report and Accounts for 1997–98 of the United Kingdom Hydrographic Office, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Government Trading Funds Act 1973;

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3.Accounts for 1997–98 of the Coal Authority, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Coal Industry Act 1994;
4.Accounts for 1997–98 of the General Optical Council, laid under the Opticians Act 1989;
5.Report for 1997–98 of the Court Service, laid under the Courts and Legal Services Act 1990;
6.Report and Accounts for 1997–98 of the Scottish Legal Aid Board, laid under the Legal Aid (Scotland) Act 1986;
7.Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions (Hong Kong Locally Engaged Ratings’ Service Gratuities and Attributable Disablement and Death Awards) Order 1998, laid under the Naval and Marine Pay and Pensions Act 1865;
8.Report and Accounts for 1997–98 of the Occupational Pensions Regulatory Authority, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Pensions Act 1995;
9.Report and Accounts for 1997–98 of the Legal Aid Board, laid under the Legal Aid Act 1988;
10.Report and Accounts for 1997–98, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General:
(i)Scottish Tourist Board—
(ii)English Tourist Board—
laid under the Development of Tourism Act 1969;
11.Report and Accounts for 1997–98 of the Post Office, laid under the Post Office Act 1969.

Select Committee Report

4.Delegated Powers and Deregulation—The following report from the Select Committee was made and ordered to be printed:

27th Report, on the following Bills:

 Landmines Bill;
 Private Hire Vehicles (London) Bill;
 Waste Minimisation Bill;
 Criminal Appeal (Amendment) Bill [HL];

and requesting evidence on the following proposal for a draft deregulation order:

 Deregulation (Occasional Licences) Order 1998. (HL Paper 132)

Public Business

5.Government of Wales Bill—The Queen’s Consent was signified; the bill was read a third time; an amendment was agreed to (see division list 1); amendments were disagreed to (see division lists 2 and 3); amendments were agreed to; amendments were moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn; further proceedings after third reading were adjourned after amendment 34.
6.Registration of Political Parties Bill—A bill to make provision about the registration of political parties was brought from the Commons, read a first time and ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 145)
7.Consolidated Fund (Appropriation) (No. 2) Bill—A bill to supply a sum out of the Consolidated Fund to the service of the year ending on 31st March 1999; to appropriate the supplies granted in this Session of Parliament; and to repeal certain Consolidated Fund and Appropriation Acts, was brought from the Commons endorsed with the certificate of the Speaker that the bill is a money bill and read a first time.
8.New Forest—The Lord Montagu of Beaulieu asked Her Majesty’s Government what are their reactions to the recommendations of the Countryside Commission for the future management of the New Forest, in the light of the environmental and economic conditions of that area; after debate, the question was answered by the Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton.
9.Government of Wales Bill—The bill was further considered after third reading; amendments were moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn; after debate, the bill was passed and returned to the Commons with amendments.

The House was adjourned at twenty minutes before eleven o’clock
till tomorrow, two o’clock for judicial business, three o’clock for public business.

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DIVISIONS

Division No. 1

GOVERNMENT OF WALES BILL

It was moved by the Lord Mackay of Ardbrecknish, in clause 4, page 2, line 44 to leave out from (“have”) to end of line 9 on page 3 and insert:
(“one vote (referred to in this Act as a constituency vote).

(2) The constituency vote is to be given for a candidate to be the Assembly member for the Assembly constituency.

(3) There shall also be calculated the number of additional member votes for each registered political party which has submitted a list of candidates to be Assembly members for the Assembly electoral region in which the Assembly constituency is included.

(3A) The number of additional member votes for each party shall be the same as the number of constituency votes for the candidate of the party in that constituency.”); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:

Contents.............150

Not-Contents.............140

CONTENTS

Aberdare, L.
Addison, V.
Ailsa, M.
Aldington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Ashbourne, L.
Attlee, E.
Bellwin, L.
Beloff, L.
Belstead, L.
Berners, B.
Biffen, L.
Blake, L.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Brentford, V.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Burnham, L. [Teller]
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Caldecote, V.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chesham, L.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Coleridge, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cranborne, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Davidson, V.
Denbigh, E.
 Denton of Wakefield, B.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donegall, M.
Downshire, M.
Elibank, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Erne, E.
Fookes, B.
Gainford, L.
Gisborough, L.
Glentoran, L.
Gormanston, V.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.
Halsbury, E.
Hampden, V.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harris of High Cross, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hemphill, L.
Holderness, L.
Hooper, B.
Hothfield, L.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Inchcape, E.
James of Holland Park, B.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Johnston of Rockport, L.
Jopling, L.
Kenyon, L.
Kimball, L.
Kinnoull, E.
Knights, L.
Lang of Monkton, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Liverpool, E.
Lucas, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Marlesford, L.
 Mersey, V.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Monk Bretton, L.
Monteagle of Brandon, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mountgarret, V.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moyne, L.
Munster, E.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Norrie, L.
Northesk, E.
O’Cathain, B.
Onslow of Woking, L.
Orr-Ewing, L.
Oxfuird, V.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Pender, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Prior, L.
Pym, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rees, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sanderson of Bowden, L.
Seccombe, B.
Sempill, L.
Sharples, B.
Skelmersdale, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Stanley of Alderley, L.
Strange, B.
Strathclyde, L. [Teller]
Sudeley, L.
Swinfen, L.
Teviot, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thurlow, L.

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Trefgarne, L.
Trumpington, B.
Tugendhat, L.
 Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Westbury, L.
 Wharton, B.
Wilcox, B.
Young, B.

NOT-CONTENTS

Addington, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Amos, B.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Avebury, L.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Berkeley, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blease, L.
Bledisloe, V.
Borrie, L.
Bridges, L.
Brightman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Burlison, L.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Calverley, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Ezra, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Gainsborough, E.
Gallacher, L.
Geraint, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
 Glenamara, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grantchester, L.
Grenfell, L.
Hacking, L.
Hampton, L.
Hardie, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Haskel, L.
Hayman, B.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
Hooson, L.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor)
Islwyn, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Judd, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kirkhill, L.
Kirkwood, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Ludford, B.
McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller]
Mackie of Benshie, L.
McNair, L.
Maddock, B.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
 Monkswell, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Nathan, L.
Newby, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Orme, L.
Oxford, Bp.
Paul, L.
Peston, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rea, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Richard, L. (Lord Privy Seal)
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Russell-Johnston, L.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Sewel, L.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Stallard, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurso, V.
Turner of Camden, B.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Weatherill, L.
Whitty, L.
Wigoder, L.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.

Division No. 2

GOVERNMENT OF WALES BILL

It was moved by the Lord Mackay of Ardbrecknish, after clause 8, to insert the new Clause (Seat of member ceasing to be member of party to be vacant); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:

Contents.............60

Not-Contents.............132

CONTENTS

Aldington, L.
Astor of Hever, L.
Beloff, L.
Belstead, L.
 Berners, B.
Biddulph, L.
Blaker, L.
Burnham, L. [Teller]
 Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Clark of Kempston, L.

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Coleridge, L.
Colwyn, L.
Craig of Radley, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donegall, M.
Ellenborough, L.
Gainford, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Hemphill, L.
Holderness, L.
Home, E.
James of Holland Park, B.
Jopling, L.
Knights, L.
 Lyell, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L. [Teller]
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Marlesford, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Mersey, V.
Monteagle of Brandon, L.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Munster, E.
Onslow of Woking, L.
Orr-Ewing, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Rees, L.
 Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sanderson of Bowden, L.
Sempill, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Strange, B.
Tebbit, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Tugendhat, L.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wakeham, L.
Warnock, B.
Wise, L.

NOT-CONTENTS

Addington, L.
Amos, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Berkeley, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blease, L.
Borrie, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Burlison, L.
Calverley, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Chorley, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Fitt, L.
Gallacher, L.
Geraint, L.
Gilbert, L.
Glenamara, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
 Hacking, L.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Haskel, L.
Hayman, B.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
Hooson, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hylton, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor)
Islwyn, L.
Jacobs, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kirkhill, L.
Kirkwood, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Ludford, B.
McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller]
Mackie of Benshie, L.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Monkswell, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
 Nathan, L.
Newby, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Orme, L.
Paul, L.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rea, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Richard, L. (Lord Privy Seal)
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Sainsbury, L.
St. Davids, V.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Sewel, L.
Shepherd, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurso, V.
Tordoff, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Whitty, L.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Wilson of Tillyorn, L.

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Division No. 3

GOVERNMENT OF WALES BILL

It was moved by the Lord Roberts of Conwy, after Clause 26, to insert the following new Clause (Concordats); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:

Contents.............65

Not-Contents.............88

CONTENTS

Aldington, L.
Ashbourne, L.
Astor of Hever, L.
Balfour, E.
Beloff, L.
Biddulph, L.
Blaker, L.
Bridgeman, V. [Teller]
Burnham, L. [Teller]
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Coleridge, L.
Courtown, E.
Craig of Radley, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donegall, M.
Ellenborough, L.
Elton, L.
 Gardner of Parkes, B.
Gisborough, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Holderness, L.
Hooper, B.
Hothfield, L.
Jopling, L.
Kenyon, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Lyell, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Marlesford, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Monk Bretton, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Munster, E.
 Napier and Ettrick, L.
Newall, L.
Northesk, E.
O’Cathain, B.
Oxfuird, V.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Rankeillour, L.
Rees, L.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Savile, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Stanley of Alderley, L.
Strange, B.
Sudeley, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trumpington, B.
Waddington, L.
Wakeham, L.
Wilcox, B.

NOT-CONTENTS

Amos, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Berkeley, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blease, L.
Borrie, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Burlison, L.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Chorley, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Desai, L.
Dixon, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Fitt, L.
Gainsborough, E.
 Gallacher, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Grantchester, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Hacking, L.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Haskel, L.
Hayman, B.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor)
Islwyn, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Kilbracken, L.
Kirkhill, L.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Longford, E.
McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller]
Mallalieu, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
 Milner of Leeds, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Orme, L.
Paul, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Prys-Davies, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Renwick of Clifton, L.
Richard, L. (Lord Privy Seal)
St. Davids, V.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Sewel, L.
Shepherd, L.
Simon, V.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Strabolgi, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Thomas of Macclesfield, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Whitty, L.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Wilson of Tillyorn, L.