House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)

Previous Next Page 988 1997-98 Volume 231  Thursday 16 July 1998 The House met at two o’clock. The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present: Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor) Aberdare, L. Ackner, L. Addington, L. Addison, V. Ailesbury, M. Ailsa, M. Alderdice, L. Alexander of Tunis, E. Allen of Abbeydale, L. Allenby of Megiddo, V. Amos, B. Ampthill, L. Anelay of St. Johns, B. Annaly, L. Annan, L. Archer of Sandwell, L. Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L. Ashbourne, L. Ashburton, L. Astor, V. Astor of Hever, L. Attlee, E. Avebury, L. Baldwin of Bewdley, E. Balfour, E. Barber, L. Barnett, L. Bathurst, E. Beaumont of Whitley, L. Belhaven and Stenton, L. Beloff, L. Berkeley, L. Biddulph, L. Biffen, L. Blackstone, B. Blackwell, L. Blaker, L. Blatch, B. Blease, L. Bledisloe, V. Blyth, L. Borrie, L. Boston of Faversham, L. Bowness, L. Brabazon of Tara, L. Brain, L. Brightman, L. Broadbridge, L. Brooke of Alverthorpe, L. Brooks of Tremorfa, L. Brougham and Vaux, L. Bruce of Donington, L. Bruntisfield, L. Burlison, L. Burnham, L. Butterworth, L. Byford, B. Byron, L. Cadman, L. Callaghan of Cardiff, L. Calverley, L. Campbell of Alloway, L. Campbell of Croy, L. Carew, L. Carlisle, E. Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L. Carnegy of Lour, B. Carrick, E. Carter, L. Castle of Blackburn, B. Chalfont, L. Chalker of Wallasey, B. Chandos, V. Charteris of Amisfield, L. Chelmsford, V. Chesham, L. Chorley, L. Clancarty, E. Clanwilliam, E. Clark of Kempston, L. Clinton-Davis, L. Clwyd, L. Clyde, L. Cobbold, L. Cockfield, L. Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Coleraine, L. Colwyn, L. Congleton, L. Constantine of Stanmore, L. Cooke of Islandreagh, L. Cooke of Thorndon, L. Cope of Berkeley, L. Cottesloe, L. Courtown, E. Cowdrey of Tonbridge, L. Cox, B. Craigavon, V. Cranborne, V. Crathorne, L. Crickhowell, L. Cross, V. Cuckney, L. Cullen of Ashbourne, L. Currie of Marylebone, L. Dahrendorf, L. Darcy de Knayth, B. David, B. Davidson, V. Davies of Coity, L. Davies of Oldham, L. De Freyne, L. Dean of Beswick, L. Dean of Harptree, L. Dearing, L. Denbigh, E. Denham, L. Denton of Wakefield, B. Desai, L. Devonport, V. Dholakia, L. Diamond, L. Dilhorne, V. Dixon, L. Dixon-Smith, L. Donoughue, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Downshire, M. Dubs, L. Dundee, E. Dunleath, L. Eatwell, L. Eden of Winton, L. Elis-Thomas, L. Ellenborough, L. Elles, B. Elliott of Morpeth, L. Elton, L. Erroll, E. Evans of Parkside, L. Ewing of Kirkford, L. Exmouth, V. Ezra, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Falkland, V. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Fitt, L. Flather, B. Fookes, B. Fraser of Carmyllie, L. Freyberg, L. Gainford, L. Gainsborough, E. Gallacher, L. Gardner of Parkes, B. Garel-Jones, L. Geraint, L. Gilbert, L. Gilmour of Craigmillar, L. Gisborough, L. Gladwin of Clee, L. Gladwyn, L. Glasgow, E. Glenamara, L. Glentoran, L. Goodhart, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Gormanston, V. Gould of Potternewton, B. Gowrie, E. Graham of Edmonton, L. Grantchester, L. Grantley, L. Greenway, L. Grenfell, L. Habgood, L. Hacking, L. Page 989 1997-98 Volume 231       Halsbury, E. Hamwee, B. Hankey, L. Hanworth, V. Hardie, L. Harding of Petherton, L. Hardwicke, E. Hardy of Wath, L. Harlech, L. Harmar-Nicholls, L. Harris of Greenwich, L. Haskel, L. Hattersley, L. Hayhoe, L. Hayman, B. Hayter, L. Higgins, L. Hilton of Eggardon, B. Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Holderness, L. Hollis of Heigham, B. Holme of Cheltenham, L. HolmPatrick, L. Home, E. Hooper, B. Hooson, L. Hope of Craighead, L. Hothfield, L. Howie of Troon, L. Hoyle, L. Hughes, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Hunt of Wirral, L. Hussey of North Bradley, L. Hutchinson of Lullington, L. Hylton, L. Hylton-Foster, B. Inglewood, L. Ironside, L. Islwyn, L. Iveagh, E. Jacobs, L. Janner of Braunstone, L. Jay of Paddington, B. Jeger, B. Jenkins of Hillhead, L. Jenkins of Putney, L. Judd, L. Kenilworth, L. Kennedy of The Shaws, B. Kennet, L. Kilbracken, L. Kimball, L. Kingsland, L. Kinloss, Ly. Kinnoull, E. Kintore, E. Kirkhill, L. Knollys, V. Laing of Dunphail, L. Lane of Horsell, L. Lang of Monkton, L. Lauderdale, E. Lawrence, L. Lawson of Blaby, L. Layton, L. Leicester, E. Lester of Herne Hill, L. Levy, L. Lewis of Newnham, L. Lindsey and Abingdon, E. Linklater of Butterstone, B. Liverpool, E. Lockwood, B. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. Long, V. Longford, E. Lowry, L. Lucas, L. Lucas of Chilworth, L. Ludford, B. Luke, L. Lyell, L. Macclesfield, E. McColl of Dulwich, L. McFarlane of Llandaff, B. McIntosh of Haringey, L. Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L. Mackay of Drumadoon, L. Mackie of Benshie, L. McNair, L. McNally, L. Maddock, B. Mallalieu, B. Mancroft, L. Mar, C. Mar and Kellie, E. Marlesford, L. Marsh, L. Masham of Ilton, B. Mason of Barnsley, L. Merlyn-Rees, L. Mersey, V. Methuen, L. Miller of Hendon, B. Milner of Leeds, L. Minto, E. Mishcon, L. Molloy, L. Molyneaux of Killead, L. Monk Bretton, L. Monkswell, L. Monson, L. Montague of Oxford, L. Monteagle of Brandon, L. Montgomery of Alamein, V. Montrose, D. Moore of Wolvercote, L. Morris of Castle Morris, L. Morris of Manchester, L. Mottistone, L. Mountevans, L. Mowbray and Stourton, L. Moyne, L. Moynihan, L. Munster, E. Murray of Epping Forest, L. Murton of Lindisfarne, L. Napier and Ettrick, L. Naseby, L. Nathan, L. Neill of Bladen, L. Nelson, E. Newall, L. Newby, L. Newton of Braintree, L. Nicholson of Winterbourne, B. Noel-Buxton, L. Norfolk, D. Norrie, L. Northbourne, L. Northesk, E. Norton, L. O’Cathain, B. Onslow of Woking, L. Orme, L. Orr-Ewing, L. Oxford, Bp. Oxfuird, V. Park of Monmouth, B. Paul, L. Pearson of Rannoch, L. Perry of Walton, L. Peston, L. Pilkington of Oxenford, L. Pitkeathley, B. Porter of Luddenham, L. Portsmouth, E. Prys-Davies, L. Puttnam, L. Pym, L. Quinton, L. Quirk, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Rankeillour, L. Rawlings, B. Razzall, L. Rea, L. Reay, L. Redesdale, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Rennell, L. Renton, L. Renton of Mount Harry, L. Renwick, L. Renwick of Clifton, L. Richard, L. Rix, L. Roberts of Conwy, L. Rodger of Earlsferry, L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Rogers of Riverside, L. Romney, E. Rosslyn, E. Rotherwick, L. Rowallan, L. Russell, E. Russell-Johnston, L. Ryder of Warsaw, B. Ryder of Wensum, L. Sainsbury, L. Sainsbury of Turville, L. Saint Albans, D. St. John of Bletso, L. St. John of Fawsley, L. Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly. Sanderson of Bowden, L. Sandwich, E. Scotland of Asthal, B. Seccombe, B. Sefton of Garston, L. Selkirk of Douglas, L. Sempill, L. Serota, B. Sewel, L. Page 990 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top Shannon, E. Shaughnessy, L. Shepherd, L. Shore of Stepney, L. Shrewsbury, E. Simon, V. Simon of Glaisdale, L. Simpson of Dunkeld, L. Skelmersdale, L. Slim, V. Smith of Clifton, L. Smith of Gilmorehill, B. Stair, E. Stallard, L. Stanley of Alderley, L. Stodart of Leaston, L. Stoddart of Swindon, L. Stone of Blackheath, L. Strabolgi, L. Strafford, E. Strange, B. Strathcarron, L. Strathclyde, L. Swinfen, L. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Taverne, L. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Taylor of Gryfe, L. Taylor of Warwick, L. Tebbit, L. Templeman, L. Tenby, V. Teviot, L. Teynham, L. Thomas of Gresford, L. Thomas of Gwydir, L. Thomas of Macclesfield, L. Thomas of Swynnerton, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thomson of Monifieth, L. Thurlow, L. Thurso, V. Tope, L. Trefgarne, L. Trumpington, B. Tryon, L. Turner of Camden, B. Tweeddale, M. Ullswater, V. Vivian, L. Waddington, L. Wade of Chorlton, L. Wakeham, L. Walker of Doncaster, L. Wallace of Saltaire, L. Walpole, L. Watson of Invergowrie, L. Waverley, V. Weatherill, L. Wedgwood, L. Weidenfeld, L. Wemyss and March, E. Westbury, L. Wharton, B. Whitty, L. Wigoder, L. Wilberforce, L. Wilcox, B. Williams of Crosby, B. Williams of Elvel, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Wilson of Tillyorn, L. Winchilsea and Nottingham, E. Wise, L. Wright of Richmond, L. Young, B. Young of Old Scone, B. PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Oxford. Judicial Business 1. Dollar Land (Cumbernauld) Limited (Original Appellants and Cross-Respondents) v. C.I.N. Properties Limited (Original Respondents and Cross-Appellants) (Scotland)—The Report from the Appellate Committee was agreed to; it was ordered and adjudged that the Interlocutors of an extra Division of the Court of Session of 25th April 1996 and 8th May 1996 be adhered to and the appeal dismissed with costs, the amount thereof to be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties. 2. Page (Appellant) v. Sheerness Steel Company Limited (Respondents)— 3. Wells (suing by her daughter and next friend Susan Smith) (Appellant) v. Wells (Respondent)— 4. Thomas (suing by his mother and next friend Susan Thomas) (Appellant) v. Brighton Health Authority (Respondents)— (Conjoined appeals)— The Report from the Appellate Committee was agreed to; it was ordered and adjudged that the Orders of the Court of Appeal of 28th November 1996 be set aside and the Orders of Mr Justice Dyson of 11th December 1995, of Mr Justice Collins of 7th November 1995 and of Judge Wilcox of 27th June 1995 be restored, save that, in the case of Wells, for the net discount rate of 2.5 per cent there be substituted a rate of 3 per cent and save that, in the case of Thomas, the multiplier to be used by the Judge be 26.58, as set out in the speech of the Lord Lloyd of Berwick; and that the respondents do pay to the appellants their costs in the Court of Appeal and in this House, the amounts of such last-mentioned costs to be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties. 5. Swiggs and others (Respondents) v. Nagarajan (A.P.) (Appellant) (England)—The appeal of Gregory Nagarajan was presented and it was ordered that in accordance with Standing Order VI the statement and appendix thereto be lodged on or before 27th August next. 6. O’Keefe and another (Petitioners) v. Secretary of State for the Environment and others (Respondents) (lodged 13th October 1997)—The petition of Anna Maria O’Keefe and Michael John Cameron O’Keefe praying for leave to appeal was presented without payment of the fee, such fee having been waived by the Appeal Committee pursuant to Standing Order XIII; the said petition was referred to an Appeal Committee. 7. Regina v. North Yorkshire County Council (Appellants) ex parte Brown and another (Respondents)—The petition of the appellants praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 27th August next or to the third sitting day after the next ensuing meeting of the House (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed. Page 991 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top 8. Appeal Committee—The 84th Report from the Appeal Committee was agreed to and the following Orders were made: Waters (Petitioner) v. Commissioner of Police for the Metropolis (Respondent)—That the petition be referred for hearing. Regina v. Department of Agriculture for Northern Ireland (Respondents) ex parte Bignell (A.P.) (Petitioner) (Northern Ireland)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the costs of the petitioner be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid, Advice and Assistance (Northern Ireland) Order 1981; and that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(c) and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties. General of Berne Insurance Company (Petitioners) v. Jardine Reinsurance Management Limited (formerly Jardine Thompson Graham (Underwriting Management) Limited) and others (Respondents)—That the respondents be invited to lodge objections by 30th July next. Knapp and Knapp (A.P.) (Petitioners) v. Ecclesiastical Insurance Group Plc and another (Respondents)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the costs of the petitioners be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988; and that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(c) and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties. O’Keefe and another (Petitioners) v. Secretary of State for the Environment and others (Respondents)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(d) and, if the application is granted, that the amount be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties. 9. Appeal Committee—The 85th Report from the Appeal Committee was agreed to and the following Orders were made: Harries (A.P.) (Petitioner) v. Barclays Bank plc (Respondents)—That the petition be referred for hearing. Regina v Martin (Petitioner)—That the respondent be invited to lodge objections by 30th July next. Regina v. White (Petitioner)—That leave to appeal be refused. In re Gilligan (Petitioner) (application for a writ of Habeas Corpus)—That the respondents be invited to lodge objections by 30th July next. In re Ellis (application for a writ of Habeas Corpus)—That the respondents be invited to lodge objections by 30th July next. Steed (Respondent) v. Home Office (Petitioner)—That the respondent be invited to lodge objections by 30th July next. Duckwari plc (Respondents) v. Offerventure Limited and another (Petitioners)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(d) and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties. 10. Appeal Committee—The 86th Report from the Appeal Committee was agreed to and the following Orders were made: Oxnard Financing SA (Respondents) v. Rahn and others (Petitioners)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(d) and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties. W H Martin Limited (Respondents) v. Feldbinder Spezialfahrzeugwerke GmbH (Petitioners)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(d) and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties. Burridge (A.P.) (Respondent) v. London Borough of Harrow (Petitioners) and others—That the respondent be invited to lodge objections by 30th July next. British Broadcasting Corporation (Respondents) v. Kelly-Phillips (Petitioner)—That the respondents be invited to lodge objections by 30th July next. Bennett (A.P.) (Petitioner) v. Greenland Houchen (a Firm) (Respondents)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the costs of the petitioner be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988; and that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(c) and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties. Ivory Gate Limited (Respondents) v. Spetale and Freedman (Petitioner) and another—That leave to appeal be refused; that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(d) and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties. 11. Appeal Committee—The 87th Report from the Appeal Committee was agreed to and the following Order was made: Page 992 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top Runghaswami (a patient suing by his father and next friend Maurice Runghaswami) (A.P.) (Petitioner) v. London Buses Limited (Respondents)—That the petition praying for review of the Clerk of the Parliaments’ determination of the petitioner’s costs be allowed, and that the further costs of the petition be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988. The House was adjourned during pleasure. The House was resumed. 12. Oath—Quentin Gerard Carew Earl of Portsmouth took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute. Papers 13. Affirmative Instrument—The following instrument was laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table: Draft Conditional Fee Agreements Order 1998. 14. Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table: 1. Education (Assisted Places) (Amendment) Regulations 1998, laid under the Education (Schools) Act 1997;   (1726) 2. M4 Motorway (Hillingdon and Hounslow) (Speed Limits) Regulations 1998, laid under the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984;   (1708) 3. Eggs (Marketing Standards) (Amendment) Regulations 1998, laid under the Food Safety Act 1990;   (1665) 4. Social Security (Categorisation of Earners) Amendment Regulations 1998, laid under the Social Security Contributions and Benefits Act 1992;   (1728) 5. Cosmetic Products (Safety) (Amendment) Regulations 1998, laid under the European Communities Act 1972.   (1727) 15. Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table: 1. (i) Financial Statements for April to June 1998 of the following Development Corporations:   (a) Teesside—   (b) Tyne and Wear—   (c) Trafford Park—   (d) Merseyside—   (e) Black Country—   (f) Birmingham Heartlands—   (g) Plymouth—   (h) London Docklands— (ii) Report and Financial Statements for 1997–98 of the following Development Corporations:   (a) Tyne and Wear—   (ii) Teesside—   laid under the Local Government, Planning and Land Act 1980; 2. (i) Accounts for 1996–97 of the Imperial War Museum, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General— (ii) Accounts for 1997–98 of the Museums & Galleries Commission, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General— laid under the Museums and Galleries Act 1992; 3. Reports and Accounts for 1997–98, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General: (i) Insolvency Service— (ii) Ordnance Survey— (iii) Duke of York’s Royal Military School— laid under the Exchequer and Audit Departments Act 1921; 4. Report for 1997–98 of the Standing Advisory Commission on Human Rights, laid under the Northern Ireland Constitution Act 1973; 5. Report for 1997 of the Parole Board for Scotland, laid under the Prisons (Scotland) Act 1989; 6. Report for 1997–98 of the Post Office Users’ Council for Scotland, laid under the Post Office Act 1969; Page 993 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top 7. Accounts for 1997–98 of the Wales Tourist Board, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Development of Tourism Act 1969; 8. Report and Accounts for 1997–98 of the Royal Mint, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Government Trading Funds Act 1973; 9. Report and Accounts for 1997–98 of the London Pensions Fund Authority, laid under the Local Government Act 1985; 10. Report and Accounts for 1996–97 of the General Lighthouse Fund, together with the Report of the Comptroller General, laid under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995; 11. Report for 1997–98 of the Crown Estate, laid under the Crown Estate Act 1961; 12. Report for 1997–98 of the Serious Fraud Office, laid under the Criminal Justice Act 1987. Public Business 16. Business of the House—It was moved by the Lord Privy Seal (Lord Richard) that Standing Order 44 (No two stages of a Bill to be taken on one day) be suspended until the House adjourns for the summer recess; the motion was agreed to. 17. Consolidated Fund (Appropriation) (No. 2) Bill—It was moved by the Lord McIntosh of Haringey that the bill be now read a second time; the motion was agreed to and the Committee was negatived; then, Standing Order 44 having been suspended, the bill was read a third time and passed. 18. Teaching and Higher Education Bill [HL]—The bill was returned from the Commons with the amendment agreed to. 19. School Standards and Framework Bill—The bill was returned from the Commons with one of the amendments agreed to with an amendment; with certain other amendments disagreed to and with an amendment in lieu thereof and with amendments to the words so restored to the bill; with certain other amendments disagreed to with reasons for such disagreement; and with the remaining amendments agreed to; the Commons amendments and reasons were ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 146) 20. Northern Ireland (Sentences) Bill—The report was received; amendments were moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn; amendments were agreed to; an amendment was negatived1; it was ordered that the bill be printed as amended. (HL Bill 147) 21. Royal Assent—The Lord Speaker (Baroness Serota) notified the Queen’s Assent to the following Acts: Appropriation Act c. 28 Data Protection Act c. 29 Teaching and Higher Education Act c. 30 Shrewsbury and Atcham Borough Council Act c. ii 22. Scotland Bill—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the House was resumed. 23. Houses in Multiple Occupation (Charges for Registration Schemes) Regulations 1998—It was moved by the Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton, on behalf of the Baroness Hayman, that the draft Regulations laid before the House on 22nd June be approved; the motion was agreed to. 24. Pneumoconiosis etc. (Workers’ Compensation) (Payment of Claims) Amendment Regulations 1998—It was moved by the Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton, on behalf of the Baroness Hayman, that the draft Regulations laid before the House on 2nd July be approved; the motion was agreed to. 25. Community Drivers’ Hours and Recording Equipment (Amendment) Regulations 1998—It was moved by the Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton, on behalf of the Baroness Hayman, that the draft Regulations laid before the House on 22nd June be approved; after debate, the motion was agreed to. 1 Dissentient The Lord Tebbit protests that “Whereas The Official Report correctly records that the Lord Campbell of Alloway called “Not Content” on my asking leave to withdraw my amendment it does not record fully the confusion which appeared to exist as to whether his objection was of itself subject to the approval of the House; in consequence of which many Noble Lords were calling “Content” and “Not Content”. The Deputy Speaker did not hear my own call of “content” above the calls of “Not Content” from Lord Campbell and those on the Government Front Bench. She declared the Amendment negatived without a Division, despite my call for a Division. It being undesirable that the business of the House should be decided by misunderstanding or confusion or by which microphones are live in various parts of the Chamber I submit that it would be in the interests of the proper despatch of business that, notwithstanding the practice of the House, a Division with or without further debate should be allowed at the Third Reading of the Northern Ireland (Sentences) Bill.” TEBBIT Page 994 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top 26. Deregulation (Exchangeable Driving Licences) Order 1998—It was moved by the Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton, on behalf of the Baroness Hayman, that the draft Order laid before the House on 25th March be approved; after debate, the motion was agreed to. The House was adjourned during pleasure. The House was resumed. 27. Scotland Bill—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were disagreed to (see division lists 1 and 2); amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the House was resumed after amendment 134. The House was adjourned at seven minutes past eleven o’clock till tomorrow, eleven o’clock. DIVISIONS Division No. 1 SCOTLAND BILL It was moved by the Lord Mackay of Ardbrecknish, in Schedule 3, page 61, line 43, at end to insert: (“(4) The standing orders shall include provision that a committee, which may not delegate its functions to another committee or sub-committee, shall be appointed with the function of considering accounts and reports laid before the Parliament in pursuance of section 66(1). (5) The standing orders shall provide that— (a) no member of the Scottish Executive may be a member of the committee appointed under sub-paragraph (4), and (b) the person chairing that committee may not be— (i) a person representing a party of which any of the Scottish Ministers are members, or (ii) if each of the parties in the Parliament have one or more of the Scottish Ministers as a member, a person representing the party of which the First Minister is a member.”); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the Committee divided: Contents.............34 Not-Contents.............70 CONTENTS Astor, V. Attlee, E. Balfour, E. Brougham and Vaux, L. Byford, B. Campbell of Alloway, L. Carnegy of Lour, B. Courtown, E. [Teller] Denbigh, E. Dundee, E. Hardwicke, E. Kingsland, L. Kintore, E. Lane of Horsell, L. Lucas, L. Lyell, L. Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L. Mackay of Drumadoon, L. Norrie, L. Quinton, L. Rawlings, B. Renton, L. Rowallan, L. Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly. Sanderson of Bowden, L. Seccombe, B. [Teller] Selkirk of Douglas, L. Sempill, L. Skelmersdale, L. Stair, E. Stodart of Leaston, L. Trefgarne, L. Wedgwood, L. Wise, L. NOT-CONTENTS Addington, L. Alderdice, L. Allenby of Megiddo, V. Archer of Sandwell, L. Avebury, L. Blackstone, B. Borrie, L. Carlisle, E. Carter, L. [Teller] Chandos, V. Clinton-Davis, L. Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Davies of Coity, L. Davies of Oldham, L. Desai, L. Dixon, L. Donoughue, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Dubs, L. Ewing of Kirkford, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Gilbert, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Grenfell, L. Hacking, L. Hanworth, V. Hardie, L. Hardy of Wath, L. Haskel, L. Hilton of Eggardon, B. Hoyle, L. Hughes, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Islwyn, L. Janner of Braunstone, L. Jay of Paddington, B. Jeger, B. Kennedy of The Shaws, B. Kilbracken, L. Lester of Herne Hill, L. Levy, L. Linklater of Butterstone, B. McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller] Page 995 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top Mackie of Benshie, L. McNair, L. Maddock, B. Mar and Kellie, E. Molloy, L. Monkswell, L. Montague of Oxford, L. Pitkeathley, B. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Razzall, L. Redesdale, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Richard, L. (Lord Privy Seal) Russell, E. Scotland of Asthal, B. Sewel, L. Simon, V. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Thomas of Gresford, L. Thurso, V. Tope, L. Watson of Invergowrie, L. Whitty, L. Young of Old Scone, B. Division No. 2 SCOTLAND BILL It was moved by the Lord Mackay of Drumadoon, in clause 22, page 11, line 12, to leave out subsections (6) and (7); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the Committee divided: Contents.............28 Not-Contents.............59 CONTENTS Astor, V. Attlee, E. Byford, B. [Teller] Carnegy of Lour, B. Clyde, L. Courtown, E. [Teller] Cranborne, V. Denbigh, E. Dundee, E. Hope of Craighead, L. Kintore, E. Lucas of Chilworth, L. Lyell, L. Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L. Mackay of Drumadoon, L. Minto, E. Monson, L. Rawlings, B. Renton, L. Rowallan, L. St. John of Bletso, L. Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly. Sanderson of Bowden, L. Selkirk of Douglas, L. Sempill, L. Stodart of Leaston, L. Wedgwood, L. Wise, L. NOT-CONTENTS Addington, L. Alderdice, L. Allenby of Megiddo, V. Blackstone, B. Borrie, L. Carter, L. [Teller] Chandos, V. Clinton-Davis, L. Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Davies of Coity, L. Davies of Oldham, L. Desai, L. Dixon, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Dubs, L. Ewing of Kirkford, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Gilbert, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Grenfell, L. Hacking, L. Hanworth, V. Hardie, L. Hardy of Wath, L. Haskel, L. Hoyle, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Islwyn, L. Jay of Paddington, B. Kennedy of The Shaws, B. Lester of Herne Hill, L. Linklater of Butterstone, B. McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller] Mackie of Benshie, L. McNair, L. Maddock, B. Mar and Kellie, E. Molloy, L. Monkswell, L. Montague of Oxford, L. Pitkeathley, B. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Razzall, L. Redesdale, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Richard, L. (Lord Privy Seal) Scotland of Asthal, B. Sewel, L. Simon, V. Stair, E. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Thurso, V. Tope, L. Watson of Invergowrie, L. Whitty, L. Young of Old Scone, B.