House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)

Previous Next Monday 27 July 1998 The House met at half-past two o’clock. The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present: Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor) Aberdare, L. Ackner, L. Addington, L. Addison, V. Ailesbury, M. Ailsa, M. Alexander of Tunis, E. Allen of Abbeydale, L. Allenby of Megiddo, V. Alli, L. Alton of Liverpool, L. Amos, B. Ampthill, L. Anelay of St. Johns, B. Annan, L. Archer of Sandwell, L. Ashbourne, L. Ashley of Stoke, L. Astor, V. Astor of Hever, L. Attlee, E. Baker of Dorking, L. Baldwin of Bewdley, E. Balfour, E. Banbury of Southam, L. Barnett, L. Bassam of Brighton, L. Bauer, L. Beaumont of Whitley, L. Beaverbrook, L. Belhaven and Stenton, L. Beloff, L. Berkeley, L. Biddulph, L. Biffen, L. Birdwood, L. Blackstone, B. Blatch, B. Blease, L. Blyth, L. Boardman, L. Borrie, L. Boston of Faversham, L. Bowness, L. Brabazon of Tara, L. Braine of Wheatley, L. Bridgeman, V. Brightman, L. Broadbridge, L. Brooke of Alverthorpe, L. Brooks of Tremorfa, L. Brougham and Vaux, L. Broughshane, L. Bruce of Donington, L. Bruntisfield, L. Burlison, L. Burnham, L. Butterworth, L. Byford, B. Cadman, L. Caithness, E. Calverley, L. Campbell of Alloway, L. Campbell of Croy, L. Carew, L. Carlisle, E. Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L. Carnegy of Lour, B. Carter, L. Chalker of Wallasey, B. Chesham, L. Chichester, Bp. Clancarty, E. Clanwilliam, E. Clark of Kempston, L. Cledwyn of Penrhos, L. Clement-Jones, L. Clinton-Davis, L. Page 1037 1997-98 Volume 231       Clyde, L. Cockfield, L. Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Coleraine, L. Coleridge, L. Colwyn, L. Cooke of Thorndon, L. Cope of Berkeley, L. Courtown, E. Cowdrey of Tonbridge, L. Craig of Radley, L. Craigavon, V. Cranborne, V. Crathorne, L. Crickhowell, L. Cross, V. Cuckney, L. Cullen of Ashbourne, L. Currie of Marylebone, L. Darcy de Knayth, B. Dartmouth, E. David, B. Davidson, V. Davies of Coity, L. Davies of Oldham, L. De Freyne, L. De L’Isle, V. Dean of Beswick, L. Dean of Harptree, L. Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B. Denbigh, E. Denham, L. Denton of Wakefield, B. Desai, L. Dholakia, L. Dilhorne, V. Dixon, L. Dixon-Smith, L. Donoughue, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Drogheda, E. Dubs, L. Dudley, E. Dundonald, E. Dunrossil, V. Eatwell, L. Elis-Thomas, L. Ellenborough, L. Elles, B. Elliott of Morpeth, L. Elton, L. Evans of Parkside, L. Ewing of Kirkford, L. Ezra, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Falkland, V. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Fitt, L. Flather, B. Fookes, B. Freyberg, L. Gainford, L. Gallacher, L. Gardner of Parkes, B. Geddes, L. Geraint, L. Gilbert, L. Gillmore of Thamesfield, L. Gilmour of Craigmillar, L. Gladwin of Clee, L. Glentoran, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Gormanston, V. Goudie, B. Gould of Potternewton, B. Gowrie, E. Graham of Edmonton, L. Gray of Contin, L. Greenway, L. Gregson, L. Grenfell, L. Gretton, L. Grey, E. Hacking, L. Haddington, E. Halsbury, E. Hamwee, B. Hanworth, V. Hardie, L. Harding of Petherton, L. Hardwicke, E. Hardy of Wath, L. Harlech, L. Harris of Greenwich, L. Harris of High Cross, L. Harris of Peckham, L. Harrowby, E. Haskel, L. Haslam, L. Hayhoe, L. Hayman, B. Hayter, L. Headfort, M. Higgins, L. Hilton of Eggardon, B. Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Holderness, L. Hollick, L. Hollis of Heigham, B. Holme of Cheltenham, L. HolmPatrick, L. Home, E. Hooper, B. Hooson, L. Hope of Craighead, L. Howe, E. Howell of Guildford, L. Howie of Troon, L. Hoyle, L. Hughes, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Hunt of Wirral, L. Hylton, L. Hylton-Foster, B. Ilchester, E. Ironside, L. Islwyn, L. Jacobs, L. Janner of Braunstone, L. Jay of Paddington, B. Jenkins of Hillhead, L. Jenkins of Putney, L. Johnston of Rockport, L. Jopling, L. Judd, L. Kennedy of The Shaws, B. Kennet, L. Kilbracken, L. Kimball, L. Kingsland, L. Kinloss, Ly. Kinnoull, E. Kintore, E. Kirkhill, L. Knight of Collingtree, B. Knollys, V. Lane, L. Lane of Horsell, L. Lang of Monkton, L. Lauderdale, E. Lawrence, L. Lawson of Blaby, L. Layton, L. Levene of Port Soken, L. Levy, L. Linklater of Butterstone, B. Lockwood, B. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. Long, V. Longford, E. Lovat, L. Lowry, L. Lucas, L. Lucas of Chilworth, L. Ludford, B. Luke, L. Lyell, L. McCarthy, L. McColl of Dulwich, L. McConnell, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L. Mackay of Drumadoon, L. Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L. Mackie of Benshie, L. McNair, L. McNally, L. Maddock, B. Mancroft, L. Mar, C. Mar and Kellie, E. Marlesford, L. Marsh, L. Marshall of Knightsbridge, L. Mason of Barnsley, L. Massereene and Ferrard, V. Merlyn-Rees, L. Mersey, V. Meston, L. Miller of Hendon, B. Milner of Leeds, L. Minto, E. Mishcon, L. Molloy, L. Molyneaux of Killead, L. Monkswell, L. Monro of Langholm, L. Monson, L. Montagu of Beaulieu, L. Montague of Oxford, L. Montgomery of Alamein, V. Montrose, D. Moore of Wolvercote, L. Moran, L. Morris of Castle Morris, L. Morris of Manchester, L. Page 1038 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top Mountevans, L. Mowbray and Stourton, L. Moyne, L. Moynihan, L. Munster, E. Murray of Epping Forest, L. Murton of Lindisfarne, L. Napier and Ettrick, L. Naseby, L. Nathan, L. Nelson, E. Newall, L. Newby, L. Newton of Braintree, L. Nicholson of Winterbourne, B. Nicol, B. Noel-Buxton, L. Norrie, L. Northesk, E. Norton, L. O’Cathain, B. Ogmore, L. Oppenheim-Barnes, B. Orme, L. Orr-Ewing, L. Oxfuird, V. Palmer, L. Park of Monmouth, B. Parkinson, L. Paul, L. Pearson of Rannoch, L. Pender, L. Perry of Walton, L. Peston, L. Peyton of Yeovil, L. Pike, B. Pilkington of Oxenford, L. Pitkeathley, B. Plant of Highfield, L. Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L. Porter of Luddenham, L. Prys-Davies, L. Puttnam, L. Quirk, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Rankeillour, L. Rathcavan, L. Rawlings, B. Razzall, L. Rea, L. Reay, L. Redesdale, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Rennell, L. Renton, L. Renwick, L. Richard, L. Roberts of Conwy, L. Rodger of Earlsferry, L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Roll of Ipsden, L. Rosslyn, E. Rowallan, L. Russell, E. Ryder of Wensum, L. Saint Albans, D. St. Davids, V. St. John of Fawsley, L. Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly. Sanderson of Bowden, L. Sandwich, E. Seccombe, B. Sefton of Garston, L. Selborne, E. Selkirk of Douglas, L. Sempill, L. Serota, B. Sewel, L. Shannon, E. Sharples, B. Shaughnessy, L. Shepherd, L. Shore of Stepney, L. Shrewsbury, E. Shuttleworth, L. Simon, V. Simon of Glaisdale, L. Simon of Highbury, L. Skelmersdale, L. Slim, V. Slynn of Hadley, L. Smith of Clifton, L. Smith of Gilmorehill, B. Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L. Stair, E. Stallard, L. Steel of Aikwood, L. Stoddart of Swindon, L. Stone of Blackheath, L. Strabolgi, L. Strange, B. Strathcarron, L. Strathclyde, L. Swansea, L. Swinfen, L. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Teynham, L. Thomas of Gresford, L. Thomas of Macclesfield, L. Thomas of Swynnerton, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thomson of Monifieth, L. Thornton, B. Thurso, V. Tomlinson, L. Tope, L. Tordoff, L. Torphichen, L. Trenchard, V. Trumpington, B. Tugendhat, L. Turner of Camden, B. Tweeddale, M. Uddin, B. Ullswater, V. Vivian, L. Waddington, L. Wade of Chorlton, L. Walker of Doncaster, L. Wallace of Saltaire, L. Warnock, B. Watson of Invergowrie, L. Weatherill, L. Wedderburn of Charlton, L. Wedgwood, L. Westbury, L. Wharton, B. Whitty, L. Wigoder, L. Wilcox, B. Williams of Crosby, B. Williams of Elvel, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Winchilsea and Nottingham, E. Wise, L. Young, B. Young of Old Scone, B. PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Chichester. 1. Baroness Goudie—Mrs Mary Teresa Goudie, having been created Baroness Goudie, of Roundwood in the London Borough of Brent, for life by Letters Patent dated in the forenoon of 21st July 1998 (see appendix 1), was introduced between the Lord Sewel and the Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale, the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod and Garter King of Arms preceding; and took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute. 2. Baroness Thornton—Mrs Dorothea Glenys Thornton, having been created Baroness Thornton, of Manningham in the County of West Yorkshire, for life by Letters Patent dated in the afternoon of 23rd July 1998 (see appendix 2), was introduced between the Baroness Hollis of Heigham and the Baroness Jay of Paddington, the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod and Garter King of Arms preceding; and made and subscribed the solemn affirmation pursuant to statute. Judicial Business 3. Commissioners of Customs and Excise (Appellants) v. British Telecommunications Plc (Respondents) (England)—The appeal of the Commissioners of Inland Revenue was presented and it was ordered that in accordance with Standing Order VI the statement and appendix thereto be lodged on or before 7th September next. Page 1039 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top 4. Boukssid (A.P.) (Petitioner) v. Secretary of State for the Home Department (Respondent)—The petition of Fatima Boukssid praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. The petitioner’s legal aid certificate was lodged. 5. Bogg and others (A.P.) (Petitioners) v. Bruce Hebelthwayte Raper and others (Respondents)—The petition of Anne Penelope Bogg, Lucy Bogg (a minor) and Katie Bogg (a minor) praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. The legal aid certificates of the second and third petitioners were lodged. 6. Regina v. Coombs and others (Petitioners) (lodged 21st July)—The petition of Robert Coombs, Adrian Marshall and Birol Eren praying for leave to appeal in accordance with the Criminal Appeal Act 1968 was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. 7. Regina v. Collins and Pathfinder Mental Health Services NHS Trust and others (Petitioners) ex parte S (A.P.) (Respondent)—The respondent’s legal aid certificate was lodged. 8. St George’s Healthcare NHS Trust (Petitioners) v. S (A.P.) (Respondent)—The respondent’s legal aid certificate was lodged. 9. Appeal Committee—The 92nd Report from the Appeal Committee was agreed to and the following Orders were made: In re B (a minor) (A.P.) (Petitioner) (1998)—That the respondent be invited to lodge objections by 10th August next. Jones (on behalf of the Architects Registration Council of the United Kingdom) (Respondent) v. Hellard (Petitioner)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the respondent be at liberty to apply for his costs in accordance with Direction 5.1(d) and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties. Regina v. Lincoln Crown Court (Respondent) ex parte Jude (Petitioner)—That leave to appeal be refused. Vehicle Inspectorate (Respondents) v. Bruce Cook Road Planing Limited and another (Petitioners)—That the respondents be invited to lodge objections by 10th August next. Regina v. Daniel (Petitioner)—That leave to appeal be refused. Harrods Limited (Petitioners) v. Harrods (Buenos Aires) Limited and others (Respondents)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with Direction 5.1(d) and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties. Papers 10. Command Papers—The following papers were presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table: 1. Sierra Leone—Report of the Sierra Leone arms investigation;   (—) 2. Immigration—Fairer, Faster and Firmer: a modern approach to immigration and asylum: Government proposals.   (4018) 11. Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table: 1. Cattle Database Regulations 1998, laid under the European Communities Act 1972;   (1796) 2. Fossil Fuel Levy (Amendment) Regulations 1998, laid under the Electricity Act 1989.   (1828) 12. Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table: 1. Report and Accounts for 1997–98, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General: (i) Compensation Agency— (ii) Defence Codification Agency— (iii) Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency— laid under the Exchequer and Audit Departments Act 1921; 2. Accounts for 1996–97 of the Training and Enterprise Councils and Chambers of Commerce, Training and Enterprise in England, laid under the Exchequer and Audit Departments Act 1866; 3. (i) Review and Accounts for 1997–98 of the West Midlands Development Agency— (ii) Report and Accounts for 1997–98 and Reconciliation of IBB return to income and expenditure statement 1997–98 of the London First Centre— laid under the Miscellaneous Financial Provisions Act 1983; Page 1040 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top 4. Accounts for 1997–98, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General: (i) Further Education Funding Council for England— (ii) Higher Education Funding Council for England— laid under the Further and Higher Education Act 1992; 5. Accounts for 1997–98 of the Arts Council of Northern Ireland Lottery Distribution, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the National Lottery etc. Act 1993; 6. Accounts for 1997–98 of the Royal Botanical Garden, Edinburgh, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the National Heritage (Scotland) Act 1985; 7. Accounts for 1997–98 of the Teacher Training Agency, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Education Act 1994; 8. Report and Accounts for 1997–98 of British Shipbuilders, laid under the Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Act 1977; 9. Report for 1997–98 of the Crofters Commission, laid under the Crofters (Scotland) Act 1993; 10. Accounts for 1997–98 of the Economic and Social Research Council, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Science and Technology Act 1965; 11. Report for 1997 on Insurance, laid under the Insurance Companies Act 1982; 12. Report for 1997–98 of Stonebridge Housing Action Trust, laid under the Housing Act 1988. Public Business 13. City of Edinburgh (Guided Busways) Order Confirmation Bill—The bill was considered on report. 14. Private Hire Vehicles (London) Bill—The bill was read a third time and passed. 15. National Minimum Wage Bill—The bill was read a third time; amendments were moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn; amendments were disagreed to (see division lists 1 and 2); amendments were agreed to; then, after debate, the bill was passed and returned to the Commons with amendments. 16. Education (Student Support) Regulations 1998—It was moved by the Baroness Blackstone that the draft Regulations laid before the House on 17th July be approved; after debate, the motion was agreed to. 17. Education (Student Loans) (Scotland) Regulations 1998—It was moved by the Baroness Blackstone that the draft Regulations laid before the House on 17th July be approved; the motion was agreed to. 18. Scotland Bill—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were disagreed to (see division lists 3 to 5); amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; amendments were agreed to; the House was resumed after Schedule 5 stood part. The House was adjourned at twenty-seven minutes past midnight in the morning of Tuesday 28th July till later the same day, half-past two o’clock in the afternoon. DIVISIONS Division No. 1 NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE BILL It was moved by the Viscount Thurso, in Clause 11, page 8, line 21, after (“notice”) to insert (“and during the paid contractual working hours of the employee”); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided: Contents.............42 Not-Contents.............110 Page 1041 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top CONTENTS Addington, L. Alexander of Tunis, E. Alton of Liverpool, L. Beaumont of Whitley, L. Calverley, L. Carlisle, E. Clement-Jones, L. Craig of Radley, L. Dholakia, L. Ezra, L. Falkland, V. Gainford, L. Halsbury, E. Hamwee, B. Harris of Greenwich, L. Ilchester, E. Jacobs, L. Jenkins of Hillhead, L. Kintore, E. Linklater of Butterstone, B. Ludford, B. Mackie of Benshie, L. McNair, L. Maddock, B. Mar and Kellie, E. Newby, L. [Teller] Nicholson of Winterbourne, B. Razzall, L. Redesdale, L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Russell, E. Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly. Smith of Clifton, L. Steel of Aikwood, L. Thomas of Gresford, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thomson of Monifieth, L. Thurso, V. [Teller] Tordoff, L. Wallace of Saltaire, L. Williams of Crosby, B. Winchilsea and Nottingham, E. NOT-CONTENTS Allenby of Megiddo, V. Alli, L. Amos, B. Ampthill, L. Archer of Sandwell, L. Bassam of Brighton, L. Berkeley, L. Blackstone, B. Blease, L. Borrie, L. Bruce of Donington, L. Bruntisfield, L. Burlison, L. Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L. Carter, L. [Teller] Cledwyn of Penrhos, L. Clinton-Davis, L. Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Currie of Marylebone, L. David, B. Davies of Coity, L. Davies of Oldham, L. Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B. Dixon, L. Donoughue, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Dubs, L. Evans of Parkside, L. Ewing of Kirkford, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Fitt, L. Gallacher, L. Gilbert, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Goudie, B. Gould of Potternewton, B. Graham of Edmonton, L. Greenway, L. Gregson, L. Grenfell, L. Hacking, L. Hardie, L. Hardy of Wath, L. Haskel, L. Hayman, B. Hilton of Eggardon, B. Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Holderness, L. Hollis of Heigham, B. Howie of Troon, L. Hoyle, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor) Islwyn, L. Jay of Paddington, B. Jenkins of Putney, L. Judd, L. Kennet, L. Lockwood, B. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. McCarthy, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller] Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L. Marsh, L. Mason of Barnsley, L. Milner of Leeds, L. Mishcon, L. Molloy, L. Monkswell, L. Montague of Oxford, L. Morris of Manchester, L. Murray of Epping Forest, L. Nicol, B. Orme, L. Paul, L. Peston, L. Pitkeathley, B. Plant of Highfield, L. Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L. Porter of Luddenham, L. Prys-Davies, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Rea, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Roll of Ipsden, L. Sefton of Garston, L. Serota, B. Sewel, L. Shepherd, L. Shore of Stepney, L. Simon, V. Simon of Highbury, L. Smith of Gilmorehill, B. Stallard, L. Stoddart of Swindon, L. Strabolgi, L. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Thomas of Macclesfield, L. Thornton, B. Turner of Camden, B. Uddin, B. Weatherill, L. Wedderburn of Charlton, L. Whitty, L. Williams of Elvel, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Young of Old Scone, B. Division No. 2 NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE BILL It was moved by the Baroness Miller of Hendon, after Clause 51, to insert the new Clause (Annual reports on operation of minimum wage); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided: Contents.............66 Not-Contents.............149 Page 1042 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top CONTENTS Ailsa, M. Ashbourne, L. Attlee, E. Bauer, L. Beloff, L. Boardman, L. Brabazon of Tara, L. Braine of Wheatley, L. Brougham and Vaux, L. Campbell of Croy, L. Carew, L. Carnegy of Lour, B. Clanwilliam, E. Coleraine, L. Craig of Radley, L. Crickhowell, L. Davidson, V. Denton of Wakefield, B. Dixon-Smith, L. Dundonald, E. Ellenborough, L. Elliott of Morpeth, L. Fookes, B. Gardner of Parkes, B. Glentoran, L. Gray of Contin, L. Harding of Petherton, L. Harlech, L. Harris of High Cross, L. Harrowby, E. Hooper, B. Hunt of Wirral, L. Jopling, L. Kinnoull, E. Kintore, E. Lucas, L. Lyell, L. Mackay of Drumadoon, L. Mersey, V. Miller of Hendon, B. Monson, L. Mountevans, L. Mowbray and Stourton, L. Munster, E. Newall, L. Newton of Braintree, L. Norrie, L. Northesk, E. Orr-Ewing, L. Palmer, L. Park of Monmouth, B. Pilkington of Oxenford, L. [Teller] Porter of Luddenham, L. Rawlings, B. Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly. Seccombe, B. [Teller] Selkirk of Douglas, L. Sempill, L. Sharples, B. Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L. Stair, E. Strange, B. Torphichen, L. Waddington, L. Wilcox, B. Young, B. NOT-CONTENTS Addington, L. Allenby of Megiddo, V. Alli, L. Alton of Liverpool, L. Amos, B. Archer of Sandwell, L. Barnett, L. Bassam of Brighton, L. Berkeley, L. Blackstone, B. Blease, L. Borrie, L. Brooke of Alverthorpe, L. Bruce of Donington, L. Burlison, L. Calverley, L. Carlisle, E. Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L. Carter, L. [Teller] Cledwyn of Penrhos, L. Clement-Jones, L. Clinton-Davis, L. Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Currie of Marylebone, L. David, B. Davies of Coity, L. Davies of Oldham, L. Dean of Beswick, L. Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B. Desai, L. Dholakia, L. Dixon, L. Donoughue, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Dubs, L. Eatwell, L. Evans of Parkside, L. Ewing of Kirkford, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Falkland, V. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Fitt, L. Gallacher, L. Gilbert, L. Gladwin of Clee, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Goudie, B. Gould of Potternewton, B. Graham of Edmonton, L. Gregson, L. Grenfell, L. Hacking, L. Hamwee, B. Hanworth, V. Hardie, L. Hardy of Wath, L. Harris of Greenwich, L. Haskel, L. Hayman, B. Hilton of Eggardon, B. Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Hollick, L. Hollis of Heigham, B. Hooson, L. Howie of Troon, L. Hoyle, L. Hughes, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Hylton, L. Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor) Islwyn, L. Janner of Braunstone, L. Jay of Paddington, B. Jenkins of Hillhead, L. Jenkins of Putney, L. Judd, L. Kennet, L. Linklater of Butterstone, B. Lockwood, B. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. Longford, E. Ludford, B. McCarthy, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller] Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L. Mackie of Benshie, L. McNair, L. Mar and Kellie, E. Mason of Barnsley, L. Merlyn-Rees, L. Meston, L. Milner of Leeds, L. Mishcon, L. Molloy, L. Monkswell, L. Montague of Oxford, L. Morris of Manchester, L. Murray of Epping Forest, L. Nicol, B. Orme, L. Paul, L. Peston, L. Pitkeathley, B. Plant of Highfield, L. Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L. Prys-Davies, L. Puttnam, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Razzall, L. Rea, L. Redesdale, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Roll of Ipsden, L. Russell, E. Sefton of Garston, L. Serota, B. Sewel, L. Shepherd, L. Shore of Stepney, L. Simon, V. Simon of Highbury, L. Smith of Clifton, L. Smith of Gilmorehill, B. Steel of Aikwood, L. Stoddart of Swindon, L. Page 1043 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top Strabolgi, L. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Thomas of Gresford, L. Thomas of Macclesfield, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thomson of Monifieth, L. Thornton, B. Thurso, V. Tope, L. Tordoff, L. Turner of Camden, B. Uddin, B. Walker of Doncaster, L. Wallace of Saltaire, L. Wedderburn of Charlton, L. Whitty, L. Williams of Crosby, B. Williams of Elvel, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Young of Old Scone, B. Division No. 3 SCOTLAND BILL It was moved by the Lord Mackay of Ardbrecknish, in Schedule 5, page 80, line 19, at end to insert (“and the subject-matter of the National Minimum Wage Act 1998”); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the Committee divided: Contents.............43 Not-Contents.............81 CONTENTS Alton of Liverpool, L. Ashbourne, L. Astor, V. Attlee, E. Blatch, B. Carnegy of Lour, B. Courtown, E. [Teller] Cross, V. De L’Isle, V. Dean of Harptree, L. Dixon-Smith, L. Dundonald, E. Hylton, L. Kingsland, L. Kintore, E. Knight of Collingtree, B. Lyell, L. McConnell, L. Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L. Mackay of Drumadoon, L. Mancroft, L. Marlesford, L. Molyneaux of Killead, L. Montrose, D. Mountevans, L. Northesk, E. Pilkington of Oxenford, L. Rawlings, B. Renton, L. Renwick, L. Rowallan, L. St. John of Fawsley, L. Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly. Sanderson of Bowden, L. Selkirk of Douglas, L. [Teller] Sempill, L. Shrewsbury, E. Skelmersdale, L. Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L. Stair, E. Strange, B. Torphichen, L. Wilcox, B. NOT-CONTENTS Alli, L. Amos, B. Archer of Sandwell, L. Barnett, L. Bassam of Brighton, L. Berkeley, L. Blackstone, B. Borrie, L. Burlison, L. Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L. Carter, L. [Teller] Clinton-Davis, L. Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Currie of Marylebone, L. Davies of Oldham, L. Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B. Desai, L. Dixon, L. Donoughue, L. Ewing of Kirkford, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Fitt, L. Gallacher, L. Gilbert, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Goudie, B. Gould of Potternewton, B. Graham of Edmonton, L. Grenfell, L. Hacking, L. Hanworth, V. Hardie, L. Hardy of Wath, L. Haskel, L. Hayman, B. Hollis of Heigham, B. Hoyle, L. Hughes, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor) Islwyn, L. Janner of Braunstone, L. Jay of Paddington, B. Judd, L. Kennedy of The Shaws, B. Kilbracken, L. Lockwood, B. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. McCarthy, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller] Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L. Merlyn-Rees, L. Milner of Leeds, L. Monkswell, L. Murray of Epping Forest, L. Peston, L. Pitkeathley, B. Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L. Prys-Davies, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Sefton of Garston, L. Sewel, L. Simon, V. Smith of Gilmorehill, B. Stoddart of Swindon, L. Stone of Blackheath, L. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Thomas of Macclesfield, L. Thornton, B. Turner of Camden, B. Uddin, B. Walker of Doncaster, L. Watson of Invergowrie, L. Whitty, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Young of Old Scone, B. Page 1044 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top Division No. 4 SCOTLAND BILL It was moved by the Lord Steel of Aikwood, in Schedule 5, page 81, to leave out lines 2 to 4; which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the Committee divided: Contents.............45 Not-Contents.............88 CONTENTS Addington, L. [Teller] Alton of Liverpool, L. Astor, V. Blatch, B. Carlisle, E. Carnegy of Lour, B. Clement-Jones, L. Courtown, E. Cross, V. Dixon-Smith, L. Hamwee, B. HolmPatrick, L. Howie of Troon, L. Hylton, L. Kinnoull, E. Kintore, E. Linklater of Butterstone, B. Ludford, B. Lyell, L. Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L. Mackay of Drumadoon, L. Mackie of Benshie, L. McNally, L. Maddock, B. Mancroft, L. Mar and Kellie, E. Molyneaux of Killead, L. Monson, L. Montgomery of Alamein, V. Northesk, E. Norton, L. Russell, E. Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly. Sanderson of Bowden, L. Selkirk of Douglas, L. Sempill, L. Skelmersdale, L. Stair, E. Steel of Aikwood, L. Thomas of Gresford, L. [Teller] Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thomson of Monifieth, L. Tordoff, L. Wilcox, B. Williams of Crosby, B. NOT-CONTENTS Alli, L. Amos, B. Archer of Sandwell, L. Balfour, E. Bassam of Brighton, L. Berkeley, L. Blackstone, B. Borrie, L. Brooks of Tremorfa, L. Burlison, L. Carter, L. [Teller] Clinton-Davis, L. Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Craigavon, V. Currie of Marylebone, L. Darcy de Knayth, B. Davies of Coity, L. Davies of Oldham, L. Dean of Beswick, L. Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B. Desai, L. Dixon, L. Donoughue, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Ewing of Kirkford, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Gallacher, L. Gilbert, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Goudie, B. Gould of Potternewton, B. Graham of Edmonton, L. Grenfell, L. Hacking, L. Hanworth, V. Hardie, L. Hardy of Wath, L. Haskel, L. Hayman, B. Hollis of Heigham, B. Hoyle, L. Hughes, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor) Islwyn, L. Janner of Braunstone, L. Jay of Paddington, B. Judd, L. Kennedy of The Shaws, B. Kilbracken, L. Lawrence, L. Lockwood, B. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller] Merlyn-Rees, L. Milner of Leeds, L. Monkswell, L. Montrose, D. Murray of Epping Forest, L. Orme, L. Peston, L. Pitkeathley, B. Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L. Prys-Davies, L. Puttnam, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Renton, L. Sefton of Garston, L. Sewel, L. Simon, V. Smith of Gilmorehill, B. Stone of Blackheath, L. Strange, B. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Thomas of Macclesfield, L. Thornton, B. Torphichen, L. Turner of Camden, B. Uddin, B. Watson of Invergowrie, L. Whitty, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Young of Old Scone, B. Division No. 5 SCOTLAND BILL It was moved by the Lord Mackay of Ardbrecknish, in Schedule 5, page 83, to leave out line 18; which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the Committee divided: Contents.............15 Not-Contents.............37 Page 1045 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top CONTENTS Astor, V. Courtown, E. [Teller] Dixon-Smith, L. Kintore, E. Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L. Mackay of Drumadoon, L. Monson, L. Montrose, D. Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly. Selkirk of Douglas, L. Sempill, L. Shrewsbury, E. Skelmersdale, L. Strange, B. Strathclyde, L. [Teller] NOT-CONTENTS Balfour, E. Bassam of Brighton, L. Burlison, L. Carlisle, E. Carter, L. [Teller] Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Davies of Coity, L. Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B. Desai, L. Donoughue, L. Ewing of Kirkford, L. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Gilbert, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Hacking, L. Hardie, L. Haskel, L. Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Howie of Troon, L. Hoyle, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Kirkhill, L. Linklater of Butterstone, B. McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller] Mackie of Benshie, L. Mar and Kellie, E. Milner of Leeds, L. Monkswell, L. Montgomery of Alamein, V. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Sefton of Garston, L. Sewel, L. Steel of Aikwood, L. Thomas of Gresford, L. Thomas of Macclesfield, L. Whitty, L. Young of Old Scone, B. APPENDIX 1 ELIZABETH THE SECOND by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith To all Lords Spiritual and Temporal and all other Our Subjects whatsoever to whom these Presents shall come Greeting Know Ye that We of Our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion in pursuance of the Life Peerages Act 1958 and of all other powers in that behalf Us enabling do by these Presents advance create and prefer Our trusty and well beloved Mrs. Mary Teresa Goudie to the state degree style and dignity title and honour of Baroness Goudie of Roundwood in Our London Borough of Brent And for Us Our heirs and successors do appoint give and grant unto her the said name state degree style dignity title and honour of Baroness Goudie to have and to hold unto her for her life Willing and by these Presents granting for Us Our heirs and successors that she may have hold and possess a seat place and voice in the Parliaments and Public Assemblies and Councils of Us Our heirs and successors within Our United Kingdom amongst the Barons And also that she may enjoy and use all the rights privileges pre-eminences immunities and advantages to the degree of a Baron duly and of right belonging which Barons of Our United Kingdom have heretofore used and enjoyed or as they do at present use and enjoy In Witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent Witness Ourself at Westminster in the forenoon of the twenty-first day of July in the forty-seventh year of Our Reign BY WARRANT UNDER THE QUEEN’S SIGN MANUAL APPENDIX 2 ELIZABETH THE SECOND by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith To all Lords Spiritual and Temporal and all other Our Subjects whatsoever to whom these Presents shall come Greeting Know Ye that We of Our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion in pursuance of the Life Peerages Act 1958 and of all other powers in that behalf Us enabling do by these Presents advance create and prefer Our trusty and well beloved Mrs. Dorothea Glenys Thornton to the state degree style and dignity title and honour of Baroness Thornton of Manningham in Our County of West Yorkshire And for Us Our heirs and successors do appoint give and grant unto her the said name state degree style dignity title and honour of Baroness Thornton to have and to hold unto her for her life Willing and by these Presents granting for Us Our heirs and successors that she may have hold and possess a seat place and voice in the Parliaments and Public Assemblies and Councils of Us Our heirs Page 1046 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top and successors within Our United Kingdom amongst the Barons And also that she may enjoy and use all the rights privileges pre-eminences immunities and advantages to the degree of a Baron duly and of right belonging which Barons of Our United Kingdom have heretofore used and enjoyed or as they do at present use and enjoy In Witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent Witness Ourself at Westminster in the afternoon of the twenty-third day of July in the forty-seventh year of Our Reign BY WARRANT UNDER THE QUEEN’S SIGN MANUAL