House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)

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Wednesday 28 October 1998

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ahmed, L.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Aldington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alli, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Arran, E.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Bach, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Balfour, E.
Balfour of Inchrye, L.
Barber of Tewkesbury, L.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Beloff, L.
Belstead, L.
Berkeley, L.
 Berners, B.
Biddulph, L.
Biffen, L.
Birdwood, L.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Bledisloe, V.
Blyth, L.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bragg, L.
Braine of Wheatley, L.
Braybrooke, L.
Bridges, L.
Brightman, L.
Broadbridge, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Browne-Wilkinson, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Burns, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carew, L.
Carlisle, E.
 Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnarvon, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Carrick, E.
Carter, L.
Carver, L.
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Chalfont, L.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.
Chandos, V.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chesham, L.
Chorley, L.
Christopher, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clark of Kempston, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Clifford of Chudleigh, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Clyde, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Coleraine, L.
Coleridge, L.
Cooke of Thorndon, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Cranborne, V.
Crathorne, L.

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Crawley, B.
Crickhowell, L.
Cross, V.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Beswick, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Denbigh, E.
Denham, L.
Denton of Wakefield, B.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donaldson of Lymington, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Downshire, M.
Dunrossil, V.
Eccles of Moulton, B.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Enniskillen, E.
Erne, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Feldman, L.
Ferrers, E.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Foley, L.
Fookes, B.
Forbes, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gainford, L.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gilmour of Craigmillar, L.
Gisborough, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Glanusk, L.
Goff of Chieveley, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gormanston, V.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grantchester, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Griffiths of Fforestfach, L.
Habgood, L.
 Halsbury, E.
Hamwee, B.
Hanningfield, L.
Hardie, L.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardinge of Penshurst, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Headfort, M.
Healey, L.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hooson, L.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Hothfield, L.
Howe, E.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Hutchinson of Lullington, L.
Hutton, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Iveagh, E.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeffreys, L.
Jeger, B.
Jellicoe, E.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Jopling, L.
Judd, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kennet, L.
Keyes, L.
Kimball, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kinnoull, E.
Kintore, E.
Kirkhill, L.
Kitchener, E.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Knollys, V.
Laming, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Layton, L.
Leathers, V.
Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Levene of Port Soken, L.
 Lewis of Newnham, L.
Lindsay of Birker, L.
Lindsey and Abingdon, E.
Listowel, E.
Liverpool, E.
Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E.
Lockwood, B.
London, Bp.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lovell-Davis, L.
Lowry, L.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Ludford, B.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McAlpine of West Green, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
Macfarlane of Bearsden, L.
McFarlane of Llandaff, B.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Mancroft, L.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Meston, L.
Middleton, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monkswell, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Monteagle of Brandon, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Montrose, D.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mottistone, L.
Mountevans, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Naseby, L.
Nathan, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Newby, L.

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Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
Norton of Louth, L.
Nunburnholme, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Onslow of Woking, L.
Orme, L.
Oxford, Bp.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Patten, L.
Paul, L.
Peel, E.
Pender, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Perry of Walton, L.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Porter of Luddenham, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rea, L.
Reading, M.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Rennell, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Richard, L.
Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
 Roll of Ipsden, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Russell, E.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Sainsbury of Turville, L.
Saint Albans, D.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandwich, E.
Savile, L.
Sawyer, L.
Seccombe, B.
Sefton of Garston, L.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Serota, B.
Sewel, L.
Shannon, E.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Sharples, B.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soper, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Southwark, Bp.
Southwell, Bp.
Stair, E.
Stallard, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strange, B.
Strathcarron, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Sudeley, L.
 Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Swinton, E.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Tenby, V.
Teviot, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurlow, L.
Thurso, V.
Tomlinson, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Torrington, V.
Trefgarne, L.
Trenchard, V.
Turner of Camden, B.
Tweeddale, M.
Uddin, B.
Ullswater, V.
Varley, L.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walpole, L.
Warnock, B.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Weidenfeld, L.
Weinstock, L.
Westbury, L.
Whaddon, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitty, L.
Wigram, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Wilson of Tillyorn, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Winston, L.
Wise, L.
Young, B.
Young of Old Scone, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Oxford.

1.Lord Bragg—Melvyn Bragg Esquire, having been created Baron Bragg, of Wigton in the County of Cumbria, for life by Letters Patent dated in the forenoon of 4th August 1998 (see appendix), was introduced between the Lord Privy Seal (Baroness Jay of Paddington) and the Baroness Castle of Blackburn, the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod and Garter King of Arms preceding; and made and subscribed the solemn affirmation pursuant to statute.
2.Affirmation—James Francis Lord Lindsay of Birker made and subscribed the solemn affirmation pursuant to statute.
3.Leave of Absence—Leave of absence was granted to the Lord Chancellor for Tuesday 3rd and Wednesday 4th November.

Judicial Business

4.London Borough of Southwark (Respondents) and another v. Tanner and others (A.P.) (Appellants) (England)—The appeal of Tracey Tanner, Linda Cotterill, Lorella Giraudo, Sandra Wheatley, Mark Forbes, Lisa Ross, Francis Lewis and Nadine Sutar was presented and it was ordered that in accordance with Standing Order VI the statement and appendix thereto be lodged on or before 9th December next. The appellants’ legal aid certificates were lodged.

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5.Vehicle Inspectorate (Respondents) v. Bruce Cook Road Planing Limited and another (Appellants) (On Appeal from a Divisional Court of the Queen’s Bench Division)—The appeal of Bruce Road Planing Limited was presented and ordered to be prosecuted subject to the procedures applicable thereto.
6.In re Ellis (Appellant) (application for a writ of Habeas Corpus) (On Appeal from a Divisional Court of the Queen’s Bench Division—The appeal of Edwin Charles Ellis was presented and ordered to be prosecuted subject to the procedures applicable thereto.
7.National Westminster Bank plc (Respondents) v. Gill and Gill (A.P.) (Petitioner) (lodged 15th September)—The petition of Marie Irene Gill praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. The petitioner’s legal aid certificate was lodged.
8.Citoh & Co Limited and others (Respondents) and others v. Steamship Mutual Underwriting Association (Bermuda) Limited (Petitioners) and one other petition—The petition of the Steamship Mutual Underwriting Association (Bermuda) Limited praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
9.W 1-6 (A.P.) (Cross-Petitioners) v. Essex County Council and another (Cross-Respondents)—The petition of W 1-6 praying for leave to cross-appeal notwithstanding that the time limited by Standing Order VII has expired, was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.

Papers

10.Command Papers—The following papers were presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Debt—Exchange of notes between the United Kingdom and Senegal amending the United Kingdom/Senegal Debt Agreement No. 11 (1995);
 (4096)
2.European Communities—Economic partnership, political coordination and cooperation agreement between the European Community and its member states and Mexico, together with an explanatory memorandum;
 (4097)
3.Welfare—A New Contract for Welfare: Government proposals:
(i)Principles into Practice;(4101)
(ii)The Gateway to Work;(4102)
(iii)Support for Disabled People;(4103)
4.Fire Services—Report for 1997–98 of Her Majesty’s Chief Inspector of Fire Services for England and Wales;
 (4085)
5.Intelligence Services—Government Response to the Report for 1997–98 of the Intelligence and Security Committee.
 (4089)
11.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Local Government Act 1988 (Defined Activities) (Exemption) (Rugby Borough Council) Order 1998, laid under the Local Government Act 1988;
 (2616)
2.Magistrates’ Courts Committees (Dyfed and Powys) Amalgamation Order 1998, laid under the Justices of the Peace Act 1997.
 (2664)
12.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Accounts for 1997–98 of the Millennium Commission, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the National Lottery etc. Act 1993;
2.Report on research and development work on equipment for disabled people in 1995 and 1996, laid under the Chronically Sick and Disabled Persons Act 1970;
3.Report for 1997–98 of the Scottish Law Commission, laid under the Law Commissions Act 1965;
4.Report for 1997–98 of the Parole Board, laid under the Criminal Justice Act 1991.

Select Committee Report

13.Delegated Powers and Deregulation—The following report from the Select Committee was made and ordered to be printed:
33rd Report, on the following Bills:
Hereditary Peerage (Election) Bill [HL];
Human Rights Bill [HL]—further observations;
Northern Ireland Bill—further observations. (HL Paper 150)

Public Business

14.European Parliamentary Elections Bill—The bill was returned from the Commons with the amendments disagreed to, with reasons for such disagreement; the Commons reasons were ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 159)

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15.Scotland Bill—The bill was further considered on report; amendments were agreed to; amendments were moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn; further consideration on report was adjourned.
16.Regulation of utilities—The Lord Borrie asked Her Majesty’s Government what plans they have to modernise the regulation of the utility industries so as to provide a fair deal for consumers in general and vulnerable consumers in particular; after debate, the question was answered by the Lord Sainsbury of Turville.
17.Scotland Bill—The bill was further considered on report; amendments were agreed to; amendments were disagreed to (see division lists 1 to 5); amendments were moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn; further consideration on report was adjourned after amendment 173B.

The House was adjourned at seventeen minutes past one o’clock
in the morning of Thursday 29th October till later the same day,
two o’clock for judicial business, three o’clock for public business.

DIVISIONS

Division No. 1

SCOTLAND BILL

It was moved by the Lord Mackay of Drumadoon, in Clause 32, page 16, line 12, at beginning to insert (“The Presiding Officer”); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:

Contents.............40

Not-Contents.............85

CONTENTS

Attlee, E.
Balfour, E.
Belstead, L.
Broadbridge, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Byford, B.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Chesham, L.
Courtown, E. [Teller]
Craigavon, V.
Crathorne, L.
Cross, V.
 Dixon-Smith, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Ferrers, E.
Fookes, B.
Henley, L.
Kingsland, L.
Luke, L. [Teller]
Lyell, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Mancroft, L.
Middleton, L.
Montrose, D.
 Northesk, E.
Norton of Louth, L.
Rennell, L.
Renton, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rowallan, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Strange, B.
Ullswater, V.
Vivian, L.
Wise, L.

NOT-CONTENTS

Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Ahmed, L.
Alli, L.
Amos, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Bach, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Borrie, L.
Burlison, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Chandos, V.
Christopher, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Crawley, B.
 Currie of Marylebone, L.
Davies of Coity, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Desai, L.
Dixon, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Goudie, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grantchester, L.
Grenfell, L.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
 Hoyle, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Islwyn, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
(Lord Privy Seal)
Jeger, B.
Judd, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Lockwood, B.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller]
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
McNair, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Monkswell, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.

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Nicol, B.
Pitkeathley, B.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rea, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Sainsbury of Turville, L.
 Sawyer, L.
Sewel, L.
Simon, V.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
 Thurso, V.
Tomlinson, L.
Tordoff, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Varley, L.
Whitty, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winston, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.

Division No. 2

SCOTLAND BILL

It was moved by the Lord Mackay of Ardbrecknish, in Clause 34, page 17, line 7, to leave out subsection (1) and insert:

(“(1) Each Bill shall be considered by the Parliament at the following stages—

(a) a general debate on the principles of the Bill;

(b) a stage during which a committee of the Parliament may hear evidence on and shall consider representations received from interested parties on the subject matter of the Bill, and at the conclusion of which the committee shall report to the Parliament on the evidence and representations it has received;

(c) a stage for a further general debate on the Bill, in the light of the report prepared in terms of paragraph (b) hereof, with an opportunity for members to vote on the general principles of the Bill;

(d) a committee stage for members of the Parliament to consider and vote on the detail of the Bill;

(e) a report stage to consider any amendments subsequent to the committee stage in paragraph (d); and

(f) a final debate and vote on the Bill, at which the Parliament can either pass or reject it.

(1A) A period of not less than three calendar months shall separate the stages of the Bill mentioned in subsections (1)(c) and (e) unless otherwise provided for by a resolution of the Parliament.”);

which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:

Contents.............38

Not-Contents.............85

CONTENTS

Annaly, L.
Attlee, E. [Teller]
Balfour, E.
Byford, B.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.
Chesham, L.
Courtown, E. [Teller]
Craigavon, V.
Crathorne, L.
 Cross, V.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Henley, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kintore, E.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
 Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Middleton, L.
Montrose, D.
Northesk, E.
Norton of Louth, L.
Renton, L.
Rowallan, L.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Strange, B.
Trefgarne, L.
Vivian, L.
Wise, L.

NOT-CONTENTS

Acton, L.
Ahmed, L.
Alli, L.
Amos, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Bach, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Berkeley, L.
Borrie, L.
Burlison, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L
Carter, L. [Teller]
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Chandos, V.
Christopher, L.
 Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Crawley, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Desai, L.
Dixon, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Goudie, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
 Grantchester, L.
Grenfell, L.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Islwyn, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
(Lord Privy Seal)
Jeger, B.
Judd, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.

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Lockwood, B.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller]
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Monkswell, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Nicol, B.
 Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rea, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Sainsbury of Turville, L.
St. John of Bletso, L.
Sawyer, L.
Sewel, L.
Simon, V.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
 Steel of Aikwood, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thurso, V.
Tomlinson, L.
Tordoff, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Varley, L.
Whitty, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winston, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.

Division No. 3

SCOTLAND BILL

It was moved by the Lord Selkirk of Douglas, in Clause 45, page 20, line 16, at end to insert:

(“( ) The Lord Advocate and Solicitor General for Scotland shall each be qualified as either—

(a) an advocate, or

(b) a solicitor under the Solicitors (Scotland) Act 1980.”);

which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:

Contents.............34

Not-Contents.............71

CONTENTS

Annaly, L.
Attlee, E.
Blatch, B.
Byford, B.
Carlisle, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Chesham, L.
Courtown, E. [Teller]
Dixon-Smith, L.
 Ellenborough, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Henley, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Kingsland, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
 Mar and Kellie, E.
Monson, L.
Montrose, D.
Northesk, E.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Renton, L.
Rowallan, L.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Strathclyde, L. [Teller]
Thurso, V.
Tordoff, L.
Wilson of Tillyorn, L.

NOT-CONTENTS

Acton, L.
Ahmed, L.
Alli, L.
Amos, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Bach, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Berkeley, L.
Burlison, L.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Chandos, V.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Crawley, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Desai, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
 Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Goudie, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grantchester, L.
Grenfell, L.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Islwyn, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
(Lord Privy Seal)
Judd, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kintore, E.
Lockwood, B.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller]
 Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Monkswell, L.
Nicol, B.
Pitkeathley, B.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Puttnam, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rea, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Sawyer, L.
Sewel, L.
Simon, V.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Tomlinson, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Whitty, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Winston, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.

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Division No. 4

SCOTLAND BILL

It was moved by the Lord Mackay of Drumadoon, in Clause 54, page 23, line 39, to leave out from (“may”) to end of line 40 and to insert (“apply to the appropriate court for a declarator or declaration to that effect.”); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:

Contents.............21

Not-Contents.............69

CONTENTS

Annaly, L.
Attlee, E.
Blatch, B.
Byford, B.
Chesham, L.
Courtown, E. [Teller]
Cranborne, V.
 Dixon-Smith, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Henley, L.
HolmPatrick, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kintore, E.
 Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Montrose, D.
Northesk, E.
Rowallan, L.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Strathclyde, L. [Teller]

NOT-CONTENTS

Acton, L.
Ahmed, L.
Alli, L.
Amos, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Bach, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Berkeley, L.
Burlison, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Chandos, V.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Crawley, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Desai, L.
Donoughue, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
 Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Goudie, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grenfell, L.
Hardie, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Islwyn, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
(Lord Privy Seal)
Judd, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Lockwood, B.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller]
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
Mar and Kellie, E.
 Monkswell, L.
Monson, L.
Nicol, B.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Puttnam, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Rea, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Sawyer, L.
Sewel, L.
Simon, V.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Thurso, V.
Tomlinson, L.
Tordoff, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Whitty, L.
Winston, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.

Division No. 5

SCOTLAND BILL

It was moved by the Lord Mackay of Ardbrecknish, in Clause 78, page 36, line 39, leave out (“ensure that”) and to insert (“make provision for”); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:

Contents.............15

Not-Contents.............53

CONTENTS

Attlee, E.
Byford, B.
Carlisle, E.
Chesham, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
 Ellenborough, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
[Teller]
Mackay of Drumadoon, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
 Mar and Kellie, E.
Montrose, D.
Rowallan, L.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Strathclyde, L. [Teller]

NOT-CONTENTS

Acton, L.
Ahmed, L.
Alli, L.
 Amos, B.
Bach, L.
Berkeley, L.
 Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Chandos, V.

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Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Crawley, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Desai, L.
Donoughue, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Goudie, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grenfell, L.
Hardie, L.
 Hardy of Wath, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
(Lord Privy Seal)
Judd, L.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller]
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Monkswell, L.
Nicol, B.
Pitkeathley, B.
 Plant of Highfield, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Puttnam, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Rea, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Sawyer, L.
Sewel, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Tomlinson, L.
Uddin, B.
Whitty, L.
Winston, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.

APPENDIX

ELIZABETH THE SECOND by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith To all Lords Spiritual and Temporal and all other Our Subjects whatsoever to whom these Presents shall come Greeting Know Ye that We of Our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion in pursuance of the Life Peerages Act 1958 and of all other powers in that behalf Us enabling do by these Presents advance create and prefer Our trusty and well beloved Melvyn Bragg Esquire to the state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Bragg of Wigton in Our County of Cumbria

And for Us Our heirs and successors do appoint give and grant unto him the said name state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Bragg to have and to hold unto him for his life

Willing and by these Presents granting for Us Our heirs and successors that he may have hold and possess a seat place and voice in the Parliaments and Public Assemblies and Councils of Us Our heirs and successors within Our United Kingdom amongst the Barons And also that he may enjoy and use all the rights privileges pre-eminences immunities and advantages to the degree of a Baron duly and of right belonging which Barons of Our United Kingdom have heretofore used and enjoyed or as they do at present use and enjoy

In Witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent Witness Ourself at Westminster in the forenoon of the fourth day of August in the forty-seventh year of Our Reign

BY WARRANT UNDER THE QUEEN’S SIGN MANUAL