House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98) |
Lords Journals Contents Index Alphabetical list of Lords Minutes and Order Papers |
Wednesday 4 November 1998 The House met at half-past two oclock. The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:
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Colwyn, L. Constantine of Stanmore, L. Cooke of Thorndon, L. Cope of Berkeley, L. Courtown, E. Craig of Radley, L. Craigavon, V. Craigmyle, L. Cranborne, V. Cranbrook, E. Crathorne, L. Crawley, B. Crickhowell, L. Cross, V. Cuckney, L. Cullen of Ashbourne, L. Cumberlege, B. Currie of Marylebone, L. Dahrendorf, L. Darcy de Knayth, B. Dartmouth, E. David, B. Davidson, V. Davies, L. Davies of Coity, L. Davies of Oldham, L. De Freyne, L. Dean of Beswick, L. Denbigh, E. Denham, L. Denton of Wakefield, B. Desai, L. Dholakia, L. Diamond, L. Dilhorne, V. Dixon, L. Dixon-Smith, L. Donoughue, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Downshire, M. Drogheda, E. Dubs, L. Dundee, E. Durham, Bp. Eatwell, L. Ellenborough, L. Elles, B. Elliott of Morpeth, L. Elton, L. Enniskillen, E. Erne, E. Evans of Parkside, L. Evans of Watford, L. Exmouth, V. Ezra, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Falkland, V. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Feldman, L. Ferrers, E. Fitt, L. Flather, B. Forbes, L. Fraser of Carmyllie, L. Freyberg, L. Gage, V. Gainford, L. Gallacher, L. Gardner of Parkes, B. |
Geddes, L. Geraint, L. Gibson, L. Gilbert, L. Gillmore of Thamesfield, L. Gilmour of Craigmillar, L. Gisborough, L. Gladwin of Clee, L. Gladwyn, L. Glanusk, L. Glasgow, E. Glenamara, L. Glenarthur, L. Glentoran, L. Goodhart, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Gormanston, V. Goudie, B. Gould of Potternewton, B. Graham of Edmonton, L. Grantchester, L. Greenway, L. Grenfell, L. Grey, E. Grimston of Westbury, L. Hacking, L. Halsbury, E. Hambro, L. Hampton, L. Hamwee, B. Hanningfield, L. Hardie, L. Harding of Petherton, L. Hardy of Wath, L. Harmar-Nicholls, L. Harmsworth, L. Harris of Greenwich, L. Harris of Haringey, L. Harris of High Cross, L. Harris of Peckham, L. Harrowby, E. Haskel, L. Hattersley, L. Hayhoe, L. Hayman, B. Hayter, L. Headfort, M. Henley, L. Hereford, Bp. Hilton of Eggardon, B. Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Holderness, L. Hollick, L. Hollis of Heigham, B. HolmPatrick, L. Home, E. Hood, V. Hooper, B. Hooson, L. Hothfield, L. Howe, E. Howe of Aberavon, L. Howell of Guildford, L. Howie of Troon, L. Hoyle, L. Hughes, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. |
Hurd of Westwell, L. Hussey of North Bradley, L. Hutton, L. Hylton, L. Hylton-Foster, B. Ilchester, E. Inglewood, L. Ironside, L. Islwyn, L. Iveagh, E. Jacobs, L. Janner of Braunstone, L. Jay of Paddington, B. Jeger, B. Jellicoe, E. Jenkin of Roding, L. Jenkins of Hillhead, L. Jenkins of Putney, L. Johnston of Rockport, L. Jopling, L. Judd, L. Kelvedon, L. Kenilworth, L. Kennedy of The Shaws, B. Kennet, L. Keyes, L. Kimball, L. Kingsland, L. Kinloss, Ly. Kinnoull, E. Kintore, E. Kirkwood, L. Kitchener, E. Knight of Collingtree, B. Knollys, V. Laing of Dunphail, L. Lamont of Lerwick, L. Lang of Monkton, L. Lauderdale, E. Lawrence, L. Layton, L. Leathers, V. Leigh, L. Lester of Herne Hill, L. Lewis of Newnham, L. Lichfield, Bp. Limerick, E. Linklater of Butterstone, B. Listowel, E. Liverpool, E. Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E. Lockwood, B. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. Long, V. Longford, E. Lowry, L. Lucas, L. Lucas of Chilworth, L. Ludford, B. Luke, L. Lyell, L. Macclesfield, E. McColl of Dulwich, L. McConnell, L. Macdonald of Tradeston, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L. Mackay of Drumadoon, L. Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L. Mackie of Benshie, L. |
McNair, L. Maddock, B. Mallalieu, B. Manchester, Bp. Mancroft, L. Mar, C. Marlesford, L. Marsh, L. Masham of Ilton, B. Mason of Barnsley, L. Mayhew of Twysden, L. Merlyn-Rees, L. Merrivale, L. Mersey, V. Meston, L. Middleton, L. Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B. Miller of Hendon, B. Mills, V. Milner of Leeds, L. Milverton, L. Molloy, L. Molyneaux of Killead, L. Monk Bretton, L. Monkswell, L. Monro of Langholm, L. Monson, L. Montagu of Beaulieu, L. Montague of Oxford, L. Monteagle of Brandon, L. Montgomery of Alamein, V. Moran, L. Morris of Castle Morris, L. Morris of Manchester, L. Mottistone, L. Mountevans, L. Mowbray and Stourton, L. Moyne, L. Munster, E. Murray of Epping Forest, L. Napier and Ettrick, L. Nelson, E. Newall, L. Newby, L. Newton of Braintree, L. Nicol, B. Norrie, L. Northbourne, L. Northesk, E. Northfield, L. Norton, L. Norton of Louth, L. Nunburnholme, L. OCathain, B. Ogmore, L. Onslow of Woking, L. Oppenheim-Barnes, B. Oxford, Bp. Oxfuird, V. Palmer, L. Palumbo, L. Park of Monmouth, B. Parry, L. Paul, L. Pearson of Rannoch, L. Peel, E. Pender, L. Perry of Walton, L. |
Peston, L. Peyton of Yeovil, L. Phillimore, L. Phillips of Sudbury, L. Pike, B. Pilkington of Oxenford, L. Pitkeathley, B. Platt of Writtle, B. Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L. Porter of Ludenham, L. Prior, L. Prys-Davies, L. Puttnam, L. Quinton, L. Quirk, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Rankeillour, L. Rathcavan, L. Rathcreedan, L. Rawlinson of Ewell, L. Razzall, L. Rea, L. Reading, M. Reay, L. Redesdale, L. Rees, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Rennell, L. Renton, L. Renwick, L. Richard, L. Ritchie of Dundee, L. Roberts of Conwy, L. Robertson of Oakridge, L. Rochester, L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Rotherwick, L. Rowallan, L. Russell, E. Ryder of Warsaw, B. Ryder of Wensum, L. Saatchi, L. Sainsbury of Turville, L. Saint Albans, D. St. Davids, V. St. John of Bletso, L. St. John of Fawsley, L. Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly. Sandwich, E. Savile, L. Sawyer, L. Scotland of Asthal, B. Seccombe, B. Sefton of Garston, L. Selborne, E. Selkirk of Douglas, L. Sempill, L. Serota, B. Sewel, L. Shannon, E. Sharp of Guildford, B. Sharples, B. Shaw of Northstead, L. Shepherd, L. Shore of Stepney, L. Simon, V. |
Simon of Glaisdale, L. Simon of Highbury, L. Skelmersdale, L. Slim, V. Smith of Clifton, L. Soper, L. Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L. Stafford, L. Stallard, L. Stanley of Alderley, L. Stewartby, L. Stodart of Leaston, L. Stoddart of Swindon, L. Stone of Blackheath, L. Strabolgi, L. Strange, B. Strathalmond, L. Strathcarron, L. Strathclyde, L. Sudeley, L. Swathling, L. Swinfen, L. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Taverne, L. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Tebbit, L. Tenby, V. Teviot, L. Thomas of Gwydir, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thomson of Monifieth, L. Thornton, B. Thurlow, L. Thurso, V. Tope, L. Tordoff, L. Torrington, V. Trefgarne, L. Trenchard, V. Trumpington, B. Turner of Camden, B. Uddin, B. Ullswater, V. Varley, L. Vivian, L. Waddington, L. Wade of Chorlton, L. Wakeham, L. Walker of Doncaster, L. Walpole, L. Warner, L. Warnock, B. Watson of Invergowrie, L. Waverley, V. Weatherill, L. Westbury, L. Whitty, L. Wigoder, L. Wilberforce, L. Wilcox, B. Williams of Crosby, B. Williams of Elvel, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Willoughby de Broke, L. Winchester, Bp. Winchilsea and Nottingham, E. Winston, L. Wise, L. Wynford, L. Young of Old Scone, B. |
PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Lichfield.
Judicial Business
1. | British Telecommunications plc (Petitioners) v. Nottinghamshire County Council (Respondents) (lodged 3rd November)The petition of British Telecommunications plc praying for leave to appeal in accordance with the Administration of Justice Act 1960 was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. |
2. | Commissioners of Customs and Excise (Appellants) v. British Telecommunications plc (Respondents)The petition of the appellants praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 16th December next (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed. |
Papers
3. | Command PapersThe following papers were presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table: |
1. | Fire ServicesReport for 199798 of Her Majestys Chief Inspector of Fire Services for Scotland; |
(4086) |
2. | FinanceTreasury Minute on the 61st Report of the House of Commons Public Accounts Committee. |
(4075) |
4. | Affirmative InstrumentsThe following instruments were laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table: |
1. | Draft Parliamentary Constituencies (England) (Miscellaneous Changes) Order 1998; |
2. | Draft Jobseekers Allowance Amendment (New Deal) Regulations 1998. |
5. | Negative InstrumentsThe following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table: |
1. | Draft Hyde Park and The Regents Park (Vehicle Parking) (Amendment) Regulations 1999, laid under the Parks Regulation (Amendment) Act 1926; |
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2. | Magistrates Courts Committees (Northumbria) Amalgamation Order 1998, laid under the Justices of the Peace Act 1997. |
(2707) |
6. | Paper not subject to parliamentary proceedingsThe following paper was laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table: Report of the Boundary Commission for England, laid under the Parliamentary Constituencies Act 1986. |
Select Committee Report
7. | Science and TechnologyThe 9th Report from the Select Committee on Cannabis: the scientific and medical evidence was made; it was ordered that the Report be printed, together with the Minutes of Evidence. (HL Paper 151) |
Public Business
8. | European Parliamentary Elections BillThe Commons reasons were considered; a motion that the House do insist on a Lords amendment was agreed to (see division list); the remaining Lords amendments were insisted on; a Committee was appointed to propose reasons for such insistence. The Lords following were named of the Committee: Seccombe, B. Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. The Committee reported that they had proposed the following reason: Because electors should be able to vote for the individual party candidate of their choice. The report was agreed to and the bill was returned to the Commons with reasons. |
9. | Regional Development Agencies BillThe report was received; amendments were moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn; amendments were agreed to; it was ordered that the bill be printed as amended. (HL Bill 161) |
10. | Working Time Regulations 1998It was moved by the Lord Alton of Liverpool that an Humble Address be presented to Her Majesty praying that the Regulations (S.I. 1998/1833), laid before the House on 30th July, be annulled; after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn. |
The House was adjourned at a quarter-past nine oclock
till tomorrow, three oclock.
DIVISION
EUROPEAN PARLIAMENTARY ELECTIONS BILL
It was moved by the Lord Mackay of Ardbrecknish that this House do insist on their Amendment No. 1, to which the Commons have disagreed for their Reason No. 1A; which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:
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Not-Contents.............145
CONTENTS
Aberdare, L. Ailsa, M. Aldington, L. Alexander of Tunis, E. Alexander of Weedon, L. Allenby of Megiddo, V. Ampthill, L. Anelay of St. Johns, B. Annaly, L. Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L. Arran, E. Ashbourne, L. Astor of Hever, L. Attlee, E. Baker of Dorking, L. Balfour, E. Banbury of Southam, L. Barber of Tewkesbury, L. Belhaven and Stenton, L. Bell, L. Beloff, L. Belstead, L. Berners, B. Bethell, L. Biddulph, L. Biffen, L. Birdwood, L. Blatch, B. Boardman, L. Bowness, L. Brabazon of Tara, L. Braine of Wheatley, L. Brentford, V. Bridges, L. Brigstocke, B. Bristol, Bp. Brougham and Vaux, L. Bruntisfield, L. Burns, L. Buscombe, B. Butterworth, L. Byford, B. [Teller] Byron, L. Cadman, L. Campbell of Alloway, L. Carnarvon, E. |
Carr of Hadley, L. Carrick, E. Chadlington, L. Charteris of Amisfield, L. Chesham, L. Clanwilliam, E. Clark of Kempston, L. Clifford of Chudleigh, L. Cockfield, L. Coleridge, L. Cope of Berkeley, L. Craig of Radley, L. Craigavon, V. Cranborne, V. Crickhowell, L. Cross, V. Cuckney, L. Cumberlege, B. Darcy de Knayth, B. Dartmouth, E. Davidson, V. De Freyne, L. Denbigh, E. Denham, L. Denton of Wakefield, B. Dixon-Smith, L. Downshire, M. Dundee, E. Ellenborough, L. Elliott of Morpeth, L. Elton, L. Exmouth, V. Feldman, L. Forbes, L. Gage, V. Gainford, L. Gardner of Parkes, B. Geddes, L. Gibson, L. Gilmour of Craigmillar, L. Gisborough, L. Gladwyn, L. Glenarthur, L. Glentoran, L. Hambro, L. Hanningfield, L. Harmar-Nicholls, L. |
Harmsworth, L. Harris of Peckham, L. Harrowby, E. Hayhoe, L. Hayter, L. Henley, L. Holderness, L. HolmPatrick, L. Hood, V. Hooper, B. Hothfield, L. Howe, E. Howe of Aberavon, L. Hylton-Foster, B. Ilchester, E. Inglewood, L. Iveagh, E. Jeger, B. Jellicoe, E. Jenkin of Roding, L. Johnston of Rockport, L. Jopling, L. Kelvedon, L. Keyes, L. Kimball, L. Kingsland, L. Kinloss, Ly. Kinnoull, E. Kintore, E. Kitchener, E. Knight of Collingtree, B. Knollys, V. Laing of Dunphail, L. Lamont of Lerwick, L. Lauderdale, E. Lawrence, L. Layton, L. Limerick, E. Liverpool, E. Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E. Long, V. Lucas, L. Lucas of Chilworth, L. Luke, L. Lyell, L. McConnell, L. Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L. Mayhew of Twysden, L. |
Merrivale, L. Mersey, V. Middleton, L. Miller of Hendon, B. Molyneaux of Killead, L. Monk Bretton, L. Monson, L. Montagu of Beaulieu, L. Monteagle of Brandon, L. Montgomery of Alamein, V. Moran, L. Mountevans, L. Mowbray and Stourton, L. Moyne, L. Munster, E. Newall, L. Newton of Braintree, L. Norrie, L. Northbourne, L. Northesk, E. Norton, L. Norton of Louth, L. Nunburnholme, L. OCathain, B. Onslow of Woking, L. Oppenheim-Barnes, B. |
Oxfuird, V. Palmer, L. Palumbo, L. Park of Monmouth, B. Pearson of Rannoch, L. Pender, L. Peyton of Yeovil, L. Phillimore, L. Pike, B. Pilkington of Oxenford, L. Platt of Writtle, B. Rankeillour, L. Rathcreedan, L. Rawlinson of Ewell, L. Reay, L. Rees, L. Renton, L. Roberts of Conwy, L. Rotherwick, L. Rowallan, L. Saatchi, L. St. Davids, V. Sandwich, E. Savile, L. Seccombe, B. Selborne, E. |
Selkirk of Douglas, L. Sempill, L. Shannon, E. Sharples, B. Shaw of Northstead, L. Shore of Stepney, L. Skelmersdale, L. Slim, V. Stanley of Alderley, L. Stodart of Leaston, L. Stoddart of Swindon, L. Strange, B. Strathcarron, L. Strathclyde, L. [Teller] Sudeley, L. Swinfen, L. Teviot, L. Thomas of Gwydir, L. Thurlow, L. Trefgarne, L. Trenchard, V. Trumpington, B. Vivian, L. Waddington, L. Wade of Chorlton, L. Warnock, B. Wilcox, B. Wynford, L. |
NOT-CONTENTS
Acton, L. Addington, L. Ahmed, L. Alli, L. Amos, B. Annan, L. Archer of Sandwell, L. Ashley of Stoke, L. Avebury, L. Bach, L. Barnett, L. Bassam of Brighton, L. Bath, M. Beaumont of Whitley, L. Berkeley, L. Blackstone, B. Borrie, L. Bragg, L. Brookman, L. Brooks of Tremorfa, L. Burlison, L. Calverley, L. Carter, L. [Teller] Christopher, L. Clarke of Hampstead, L. Clement-Jones, L. Clinton-Davis, L. Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. David, B. Davies, L. Davies of Oldham, L. Dean of Beswick, L. Desai, L. Dholakia, L. Donoughue, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Dubs, L. Evans of Watford, L. Ezra, L. |
Falconer of Thoroton, L. Falkland, V. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Fitt, L. Gallacher, L. Geraint, L. Gilbert, L. Gladwin of Clee, L. Goodhart, L. Goudie, B. Gould of Potternewton, B. Grantchester, L. Grenfell, L. Grey, E. Hacking, L. Hampton, L. Hamwee, B. Hardie, L. Hardy of Wath, L. Harris of Greenwich, L. Harris of Haringey, L. Haskel, L. Hayman, B. Hilton of Eggardon, B. Hollick, L. Hollis of Heigham, B. Hooson, L. Howie of Troon, L. Hoyle, L. Hughes, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Jacobs, L. Janner of Braunstone, L. Jay of Paddington, B. (Lord Privy Seal) Jenkins of Putney, L. Judd, L. Kirkwood, L. Lester of Herne Hill, L. |
Linklater of Butterstone, B. Lockwood, B. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. Longford, E. Ludford, B. Macdonald of Tradeston, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller] Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L. Mackie of Benshie, L. McNair, L. Maddock, B. Mason of Barnsley, L. Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B. Milner of Leeds, L. Molloy, L. Monkswell, L. Montague of Oxford, L. Morris of Castle Morris, L. Morris of Manchester, L. Newby, L. Nicol, B. Northfield, L. Ogmore, L. Parry, L. Paul, L. Perry of Walton, L. Peston, L. Pitkeathley, B. Prys-Davies, L. Puttnam, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Razzall, L. Redesdale, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Richard, L. Rochester, L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Sainsbury of Turville, L. Sawyer, L. Serota, B. Sewel, L. |
Sharp of Guildford, B. Shepherd, L. Simon, V. Simon of Highbury, L. Strabolgi, L. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Taverne, L. Taylor of Blackburn, L. |
Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thomson of Monifieth, L. Thornton, B. Thurso, V. Tordoff, L. Turner of Camden, B. Uddin, B. Varley, L. |
Warner, L. Watson of Invergowrie, L. Whitty, L. Wigoder, L. Williams of Crosby, B. Williams of Elvel, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Winchilsea and Nottingham, E. Winston, L. Young of Old Scone, B. |