House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98)

Previous Next Page 1216 1997-98 Volume 231       Wednesday 11 November 1998 The House met at ten o’clock. The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present: Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor) Aberdare, L. Ackner, L. Acton, L. Addington, L. Addison, V. Ahmed, L. Ailesbury, M. Ailsa, M. Alderdice, L. Aldington, L. Alexander of Tunis, E. Allenby of Megiddo, V. Alli, L. Alton of Liverpool, L. Amos, B. Ampthill, L. Anelay of St. Johns, B. Annaly, L. Annan, L. Archer of Sandwell, L. Arran, E. Ashbourne, L. Ashley of Stoke, L. Astor of Hever, L. Attlee, E. Avebury, L. Bach, L. Baker of Dorking, L. Baldwin of Bewdley, E. Balfour, E. Balfour of Inchrye, L. Barnett, L. Bassam of Brighton, L. Beaumont of Whitley, L. Belhaven and Stenton, L. Bellwin, L. Beloff, L. Belstead, L. Berkeley, L. Berners, B. Bethell, L. Biffen, L. Blackstone, B. Blaker, L. Blatch, B. Blease, L. Blyth, L. Boardman, L. Borrie, L. Boston of Faversham, L. Bowness, L. Brabazon of Tara, L. Bragg, L. Braine of Wheatley, L. Brentford, V. Briggs, L. Brightman, L. Brigstocke, B. Brooke of Alverthorpe, L. Brooks of Tremorfa, L. Brougham and Vaux, L. Bruce of Donington, L. Bruntisfield, L. Burlison, L. Burnham, L. Burns, L. Buscombe, B. Butterfield, L. Butterworth, L. Byford, B. Cadman, L. Caithness, E. Callaghan of Cardiff, L. Calverley, L. Campbell of Alloway, L. Campbell of Croy, L. Carew, L. Carlisle, E. Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L. Carnegy of Lour, B. Carr of Hadley, L. Carrick, E. Carter, L. Chalfont, L. Chandos, V. Charteris of Amisfield, L. Chesham, L. Chichester, Bp. Chorley, L. Christopher, L. Clancarty, E. Clanwilliam, E. Clark of Kempston, L. Clarke of Hampstead, L. Cledwyn of Penrhos, L. Clement-Jones, L. Clinton-Davis, L. Cobbold, L. Cochrane of Cults, L. Cockfield, L. Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Coleraine, L. Colwyn, L. Constantine of Stanmore, L. Cooke of Islandreagh, L. Cooke of Thorndon, L. Cope of Berkeley, L. Courtown, E. Craig of Radley, L. Craigavon, V. Craigmyle, L. Cranborne, V. Crathorne, L. Crawley, B. Crickhowell, L. Cross, V. Cuckney, L. Darcy de Knayth, B. David, B. Davidson, V. Davies of Coity, L. Davies of Oldham, L. Dean of Beswick, L. Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B. Denbigh, E. Denham, L. Denton of Wakefield, B. Desai, L. Dholakia, L. Dixon, L. Dixon-Smith, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Downshire, M. Drogheda, E. Dubs, L. Dulverton, L. Dundee, E. Dunmore, E. Eames, L. Effingham, E. Elibank, L. Ellenborough, L. Elles, B. Elliott of Morpeth, L. Elton, L. Emerton, B. Evans of Parkside, L. Evans of Watford, L. Ewing of Kirkford, L. Exmouth, V. Ezra, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Falkland, V. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Fitt, L. Flather, B. Fookes, B. Forte, L. Fraser of Carmyllie, L. Freyberg, L. Gage, V. Gainford, L. Gainsborough, E. Gallacher, L. Gardner of Parkes, B. Garel-Jones, L. Geddes, L. Geraint, L. Gibson, L. Gilbert, L. Gilmour of Craigmillar, L. Gisborough, L. Gladwyn, L. Glanusk, L. Glenamara, L. Glenarthur, L. Glentoran, L. Page 1217 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top Goff of Chieveley, L. Goodhart, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Gormanston, V. Goudie, B. Gould of Potternewton, B. Graham of Edmonton, L. Gray of Contin, L. Greenway, L. Gregson, L. Grenfell, L. Grey, E. Grey of Codnor, L. Hacking, L. Haddington, E. Halsbury, E. Hamlyn, L. Hampden, V. Hampton, L. Hamwee, B. Hankey, L. Hanningfield, L. Hanworth, V. Hardie, L. Harding of Petherton, L. Hardy of Wath, L. Harmar-Nicholls, L. Harmsworth, L. Harris of Greenwich, L. Harris of Haringey, L. Harrowby, E. Haskel, L. Haskins, L. Hattersley, L. Hayhoe, L. Hayman, B. Headfort, M. Healey, L. Henley, L. Higgins, L. Hilton of Eggardon, B. Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Holderness, L. Hollis of Heigham, B. HolmPatrick, L. Home, E. Hooper, B. Hooson, L. Howell of Guildford, L. Howie of Troon, L. Hoyle, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Hunt of Wirral, L. Hurd of Westwell, L. Hussey of North Bradley, L. Hylton, L. Hylton-Foster, B. Inchyra, L. Inglewood, L. Ironside, L. Islwyn, L. Iveagh, E. Jacobs, L. Janner of Braunstone, L. Jay of Paddington, B. Jeffreys, L. Jenkin of Roding, L. Jenkins of Putney, L. Jopling, L. Judd, L. Kenilworth, L. Kennedy of The Shaws, B. Kenyon, L. Kilbracken, L. Kilmarnock, L. Kilpatrick of Kincraig, L. Kimball, L. Kingsland, L. Kinloss, Ly. Kinnoull, E. Kintore, E. Kirkhill, L. Knight of Collingtree, B. Knollys, V. Knutsford, V. Laing of Dunphail, L. Laming, L. Lane, L. Lane of Horsell, L. Lang of Monkton, L. Lauderdale, E. Lawrence, L. Layton, L. Leathers, V. Leigh, L. Levy, L. Lindsay, E. Linklater of Butterstone, B. Listowel, E. Liverpool, E. Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E. Lockwood, B. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. Long, V. Longford, E. Lovell-Davis, L. Lowry, L. Lucas, L. Lucas of Chilworth, L. Ludford, B. Luke, L. Lyell, L. Macclesfield, E. McColl of Dulwich, L. McConnell, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L. Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L. Mackie of Benshie, L. McNair, L. McNally, L. Maddock, B. Mar, C. Marsh, L. Masham of Ilton, B. Mayhew of Twysden, L. Merlyn-Rees, L. Merrivale, L. Mersey, V. Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B. Miller of Hendon, B. Mills, V. Milner of Leeds, L. Mishcon, L. Molloy, L. Molyneaux of Killead, L. Monk Bretton, L. Monkswell, L. Monson, L. Montagu of Beaulieu, L. Montague of Oxford, L. Monteagle of Brandon, L. Montgomery of Alamein, V. Moore of Wolvercote, L. Morris of Castle Morris, L. Morris of Manchester, L. Mottistone, L. Mountevans, L. Mowbray and Stourton, L. Moyne, L. Munster, E. Murray of Epping Forest, L. Napier and Ettrick, L. Nathan, L. Newall, L. Newton of Braintree, L. Nicholson of Winterbourne, B. Nickson, L. Nicol, B. Noel-Buxton, L. Norfolk, D. Norrie, L. Northbourne, L. Northesk, E. Northfield, L. Norton of Louth, L. Nunburnholme, L. O’Cathain, B. Oliver of Aylmerton, L. Onslow of Woking, L. Oxfuird, V. Palmer, L. Park of Monmouth, B. Patten, L. Paul, L. Pearson of Rannoch, L. Pender, L. Perry of Walton, L. Perth, E. Peston, L. Peyton of Yeovil, L. Phillips of Sudbury, L. Pilkington of Oxenford, L. Pitkeathley, B. Plant of Highfield, L. Platt of Writtle, B. Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L. Prior, L. Prys-Davies, L. Puttnam, L. Quinton, L. Quirk, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Rankeillour, L. Rathcavan, L. Rawlings, B. Rawlinson of Ewell, L. Razzall, L. Rea, L. Reay, L. Redesdale, L. Rees, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Rennell, L. Renton, L. Page 1218 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top Renton of Mount Harry, L. Renwick, L. Renwick of Clifton, L. Richard, L. Roberts of Conwy, L. Rochester, L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Rogers of Riverside, L. Roll of Ipsden, L. Romney, E. Rotherwick, L. Rowallan, L. Russell, E. Ryder of Wensum, L. Sainsbury of Turville, L. Saint Albans, D. St. Davids, V. St. John of Bletso, L. Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly. Sandberg, L. Sandford, L. Sandwich, E. Sawyer, L. Scotland of Asthal, B. Seccombe, B. Sefton of Garston, L. Selborne, E. Selsdon, L. Sewel, L. Shannon, E. Sharples, B. Shaughnessy, L. Shaw of Northstead, L. Shepherd, L. Shore of Stepney, L. Simon, V. Simon of Glaisdale, L. Simon of Highbury, L. Skelmersdale, L. Skidelsky, L. Slim, V. Smith of Gilmorehill, B. Southwell, Bp. Stafford, L. Stallard, L. Stanley of Alderley, L. Stewartby, L. Stodart of Leaston, L. Stoddart of Swindon, L. Strabolgi, L. Strafford, E. Strange, B. Strathcarron, L. Strathclyde, L. Sudeley, L. Suffolk and Berkshire, E. Swansea, L. Swinfen, L. Swinton, E. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Tanlaw, L. Taverne, L. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Tenby, V. Teviot, L. Thomas of Gresford, L. Thomas of Gwydir, L. Thomas of Macclesfield, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thomson of Monifieth, L. Thornton, B. Thurlow, L. Tomlinson, L. Tope, L. Tordoff, L. Torrington, V. Trefgarne, L. Trumpington, B. Tryon, L. Turner of Camden, B. Uddin, B. Ullswater, V. Varley, L. Vinson, L. Vivian, L. Waddington, L. Wade of Chorlton, L. Wakeham, L. Walker of Doncaster, L. Walpole, L. Walton of Detchant, L. Warnock, B. Waverley, V. Weatherill, L. Wedgwood, L. Weidenfeld, L. Westbury, L. Wharton, B. Whitty, L. Wigoder, L. Wigram, L. Wilberforce, L. Wilcox, B. Williams of Crosby, B. Williams of Mostyn, L. Winchester, Bp. Winston, L. Wise, L. Wright of Richmond, L. Wynford, L. Young, B. Young of Old Scone, B. PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Southwell. Judicial Business 1. Regina v. Chief Constable of Sussex (Respondent) ex parte International Trader’s Ferry Limited (Appellants)—The Report from the Appellate Committee was agreed to; it was ordered and adjudged that the Order of the Court of Appeal of 28th January 1997 be affirmed and the appeal dismissed with costs, the amount thereof to be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties. 2. Jones (Petitioner) v. Borough of Calderdale (Respondents)—The petition of Lyn Jones praying for leave to appeal was presented without payment of the fee, such fee having been waived by the Appeal Committee pursuant to Standing Order XIII; the said petition was referred to an Appeal Committee. 3. Appeal Committee—The 99th Report from the Appeal Committee was agreed to and the following Orders were made: Regina v. Bow Street Magistrates’ Court and Allison (Respondent) ex parte Government of the United States of America (Petitioners)—That the respondent be invited to lodge objections by 25th November next. Sawardi (Respondent) v. Dundon (Petitioner) and others—That the petition be dismissed as inadmissible. Ata and another (Petitioners) v. American Express Bank Limited (sued as American Express Bank Limited) (Respondents)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(d) and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties. Bogg and others (A.P.) (Petitioners) v. Bruce Hebelthwayte Raper and others (Respondents)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the costs of the petitioners be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988; and that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(c) and, if the application is granted, that the Page 1219 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top   amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties. B (a minor suing by his next friend the Official Solicitor) (A.P.) (Petitioner) v. East Lindsey District Council (Respondents)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the costs of the petitioner be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988; and that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(c) and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties. Royal Bank of Scotland (Respondents) v. Etridge (A.P.) (Petitioner) and another—That leave to appeal be refused; that the costs of the petitioner be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988; and that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(c) and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties. Loftus and others (Respondents) v. Etridge (A.P.) (Petitioner) and another—That leave to appeal be refused; that the costs of the petitioner be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988; and that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(c) and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties. 4. Appeal Committee—The 100th Report from the Appeal Committee was agreed to and the following Orders were made: Seaconsar Far East Limited (Petitioners) v. Bank Markazi Jomhouri Islami Iran (a body corporate) (Respondents)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(d) and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties. Watts (Petitioner) v. Savills (a firm) (Respondents)—That leave to appeal be refused. Regina v. Government of Switzerland (Respondents) ex parte al Jarrah (Petitioner)—That leave to appeal be refused. Regina v. S (Petitioner)—That leave to appeal be refused. Jones (Petitioner) v. Borough of Calderdale (Respondents)—That leave to appeal be refused. 5. Appeal Committee—The 101st Report from the Appeal Committee was agreed to and the following Order was made: Society of Lloyd’s (Respondents) v. Pascoe and others (Petitioners)—That the petition be dismissed as inadmissible. The House was adjourned during pleasure. The House was resumed. 6. Lord Grey of Codnor—Richard Henry Lord Grey of Codnor sat first in Parliament after the death of his father, Charles Legh Shuldham Lord Grey of Codnor, having first taken and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute. Papers 7. Command Paper—The following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table: Contractual Obligations—Convention on the accession of Austria, Finland and Sweden to the Convention on the law applicable to Contractual Obligations. 8. Affirmative Instrument—The following instrument was laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table: Draft Broadcasting (Restrictions on the Holding of Licences) (Amendment) Order 1998. 9. Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table: 1. Education (School Government) (Transition to New Framework) Regulations 1998, laid under the School Standards and Framework Act 1998;   (2763) 2. (i) Groundwater Regulations 1998— (2746) (ii) Plant Protection Products (Amendment) Regulations 1998— (2760) laid under the European Communities Act 1972. 10. Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table: 1. Report for 1997–98 of the Ancient Monuments Board for Wales, laid under the Ancient Monuments and Archaeological Areas Act 1979; 2. Treasury Minute dated 11th November directing a raising of the limit on the amount of the Bank of England’s fiduciary note issue, laid under the Currency Act 1983. Page 1220 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top Public Business 11. European Parliamentary Elections Bill—The bill was returned from the Commons with their disagreement to the Lords amendments insisted on but with an amendment proposed in lieu thereof; the Commons amendment was ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 162) 12. Regional Development Agencies Bill—The bill was read a third time; an amendment was moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn; an amendment was negatived; then, after debate, the bill was passed and returned to the Commons with amendments. 13. Northern Ireland Bill—The bill was further considered on report; amendments were moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn; amendments were agreed to; an amendment was disagreed to (see division list); it was ordered that the bill be printed as amended. (HL Bill 163) 14. Iran—The Viscount Waverley asked Her Majesty’s Government what measures they are implementing to improve bilateral and trading links with Iran; after debate, the question was answered by the Baroness Symons of Vernham Dean. The House was adjourned at twenty-seven minutes before eight o’clock till tomorrow, three o’clock. DIVISION NORTHERN IRELAND BILL It was moved by the Lord Molyneaux of Killead, in Schedule 3, page 56, line 29, at end to insert (“, but not the law relating to abortion”); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided: Contents.............104 Not-Contents.............160 CONTENTS Aldington, L. Alton of Liverpool, L. [Teller] Ampthill, L. Ashbourne, L. Astor of Hever, L. Belhaven and Stenton, L. Berners, B. Biffen, L. Blatch, B. Brabazon of Tara, L. Braine of Wheatley, L. Brentford, V. Brougham and Vaux, L. Byford, B. Campbell of Alloway, L. Chesham, L. Chichester, Bp. Clanwilliam, E. Clark of Kempston, L. Cochrane of Cults, L. Cope of Berkeley, L. Craigmyle, L. Cranborne, V. Denbigh, E. Denham, L. Dixon-Smith, L. Downshire, M. Dundee, E. Effingham, E. Elles, B. Elliott of Morpeth, L. Elton, L. Fitt, L. Forte, L. Fraser of Carmyllie, L. Gainsborough, E. Gardner of Parkes, B. Gisborough, L. Glenarthur, L. Haddington, E. Halsbury, E. Harding of Petherton, L. Hayhoe, L. Henley, L. Home, E. Hooper, B. Hylton, L. Hylton-Foster, B. Kenyon, L. Kilbracken, L. Knight of Collingtree, B. Lang of Monkton, L. Lauderdale, E. Leigh, L. Liverpool, E. Long, V. Longford, E. McColl of Dulwich, L. McConnell, L. Masham of Ilton, B. Mayhew of Twysden, L. Mersey, V. Molyneaux of Killead, L. Monteagle of Brandon, L. Mountevans, L. Mowbray and Stourton, L. Moyne, L. Munster, E. Napier and Ettrick, L. Newall, L. Norfolk, D. Northesk, E. Nunburnholme, L. Palmer, L. Patten, L. Pearson of Rannoch, L. Pender, L. Perth, E. Prior, L. Rankeillour, L. Rathcavan, L. Rawlinson of Ewell, L. Renton, L. Saint Albans, D. Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly. Seccombe, B. Shaw of Northstead, L. Simon of Glaisdale, L. Southwell, Bp. Stallard, L. [Teller] Stoddart of Swindon, L. Strathclyde, L. Swinfen, L. Swinton, E. Thomas of Gwydir, L. Vinson, L. Vivian, L. Waddington, L. Weatherill, L. Wigram, L. Wilcox, B. Wise, L. Wynford, L. Young, B. Page 1221 1997-98 Volume 231 Back to top NOT-CONTENTS Acton, L. Addington, L. Ahmed, L. Alderdice, L. Allenby of Megiddo, V. Alli, L. Amos, B. Annan, L. Archer of Sandwell, L. Ashley of Stoke, L. Bach, L. Barnett, L. Bassam of Brighton, L. Blackstone, B. Blease, L. Brightman, L. Brooke of Alverthorpe, L. Brooks of Tremorfa, L. Carlisle, E. Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L. Carter, L. [Teller] Chandos, V. Charteris of Amisfield, L. Chorley, L. Christopher, L. Clarke of Hampstead, L. Clement-Jones, L. Clinton-Davis, L. Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Craig of Radley, L. Crawley, B. Darcy de Knayth, B. David, B. Davies of Coity, L. Dean of Beswick, L. Desai, L. Dholakia, L. Dixon, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Dubs, L. Evans of Parkside, L. Evans of Watford, L. Ewing of Kirkford, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Flather, B. Gallacher, L. Garel-Jones, L. Geraint, L. Gilbert, L. Glanusk, L. Glenamara, L. Glentoran, L. Goodhart, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Goudie, B. Gould of Potternewton, B. Graham of Edmonton, L. Gray of Contin, L. Grenfell, L. Grey, E. Hacking, L. Hampton, L. Hanworth, V. Hardie, L. Hardy of Wath, L. Harris of Greenwich, L. Harris of Haringey, L. Haskel, L. Hayman, B. Hilton of Eggardon, B. Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Hollis of Heigham, B. Hoyle, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor) Islwyn, L. Jay of Paddington, B. (Lord Privy Seal) Jopling, L. Judd, L. Kennedy of The Shaws, B. Kinnoull, E. Kintore, E. Kirkhill, L. Linklater of Butterstone, B. Lockwood, B. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. Lovell-Davis, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller] Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L. Mackie of Benshie, L. McNair, L. McNally, L. Merlyn-Rees, L. Milner of Leeds, L. Mishcon, L. Molloy, L. Monkswell, L. Monson, L. Montague of Oxford, L. Montgomery of Alamein, V. Morris of Castle Morris, L. Morris of Manchester, L. Murray of Epping Forest, L. Newton of Braintree, L. Nicol, B. Noel-Buxton, L. Northfield, L. O’Cathain, B. Park of Monmouth, B. Paul, L. Peston, L. Phillips of Sudbury, L. Pitkeathley, B. Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L. Prys-Davies, L. Puttnam, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Razzall, L. Rea, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Richard, L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Rogers of Riverside, L. Rotherwick, L. Russell, E. Sainsbury of Turville, L. Sandwich, E. Sawyer, L. Scotland of Asthal, B. Sewel, L. Shannon, E. Sharples, B. Shepherd, L. Simon, V. Simon of Highbury, L. Slim, V. Smith of Gilmorehill, B. Strabolgi, L. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Taverne, L. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Tenby, V. Thomas of Gresford, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thomson of Monifieth, L. Thornton, B. Tordoff, L. Turner of Camden, B. Uddin, B. Varley, L. Walker of Doncaster, L. Warnock, B. Westbury, L. Whitty, L. Wigoder, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Young of Old Scone, B.