House of Lords Journal 231 (Session 1997-98) |
Lords Journals Contents Index Alphabetical list of Lords Minutes and Order Papers |
Monday 16 November 1998 The House met at half-past two oclock. The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present: Irvine of Lairg, L.
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Cowdrey of Tonbridge, L. Cox, B. Craig of Radley, L. Craigavon, V. Craigmyle, L. Cranborne, V. Crathorne, L. Crawley, B. Crickhowell, L. Croham, L. Cross, V. Cullen of Ashbourne, L. Currie of Marylebone, L. David, B. Davidson, V. Davies of Coity, L. Davies of Oldham, L. Dean of Beswick, L. Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B. Dearing, L. Deedes, L. Denham, L. Denton of Wakefield, B. Desai, L. Dholakia, L. Dixon, L. Dixon-Smith, L. Donegall, M. Donoughue, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Downshire, M. Drogheda, E. Durham, Bp. Eccles of Moulton, B. Elis-Thomas, L. Ellenborough, L. Elles, B. Elliott of Morpeth, L. Elton, L. Emerton, B. Erne, E. Erroll, E. Evans of Parkside, L. Evans of Watford, L. Ewing of Kirkford, L. Ezra, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Falkland, V. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Feldman, L. Ferrers, E. Fitt, L. Flather, B. Fookes, B. Fraser of Carmyllie, L. Freyberg, L. Gainford, L. Gardner of Parkes, B. Garel-Jones, L. Geraint, L. Gilbert, L. Gisborough, L. Gladwin of Clee, L. Glentoran, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Gormanston, V. Goudie, B. Gould of Potternewton, B. Gowrie, E. |
Graham of Edmonton, L. Gray of Contin, L. Greenway, L. Gregson, L. Grenfell, L. Grey, E. Hacking, L. Haddington, E. Halsbury, E. Hamwee, B. Hanningfield, L. Hardie, L. Harding of Petherton, L. Hardy of Wath, L. Harlech, L. Harris of Greenwich, L. Harris of Haringey, L. Haskel, L. Hayhoe, L. Hayman, B. Hayter, L. Headfort, M. Healey, L. Hemphill, L. Henderson of Brompton, L. Hereford, Bp. Higgins, L. Hilton of Eggardon, B. Hobhouse of Woodborough, L. Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Holderness, L. Hollis of Heigham, B. HolmPatrick, L. Home, E. Hooper, B. Hooson, L. Hope of Craighead, L. Howell of Guildford, L. Howie of Troon, L. Hoyle, L. Hughes, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Hunt of Wirral, L. Hussey of North Bradley, L. Hylton-Foster, B. Ironside, L. Islwyn, L. Jacobs, L. Janner of Braunstone, L. Jay of Paddington, B. Jeffreys, L. Jeger, B. Jellicoe, E. Jenkin of Roding, L. Jenkins of Putney, L. Jopling, L. Judd, L. Kenilworth, L. Kennet, L. Kilbracken, L. Kimball, L. Kingsland, L. Kinloss, Ly. Kinnoull, E. Kirkhill, L. Knight of Collingtree, B. Laming, L. Lamont of Lerwick, L. |
Lauderdale, E. Lawrence, L. Layton, L. Leathers, V. Leigh, L. Lester of Herne Hill, L. Listowel, E. Liverpool, E. Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E. Lockwood, B. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. London, Bp. Long, V. Longford, E. Lowry, L. Lucas, L. Ludford, B. Luke, L. Lyell, L. McColl of Dulwich, L. Macdonald of Tradeston, L. McFarlane of Llandaff, B. McIntosh of Haringey, L. Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L. Mackay of Clashfern, L. Mackay of Drumadoon, L. Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L. MacLaurin of Knebworth, L. Macleod of Borve, B. McNair, L. McNally, L. Maddock, B. Mancroft, L. Mar, C. Marlesford, L. Marsh, L. Masham of Ilton, B. Mason of Barnsley, L. Massereene and Ferrard, V. Mayhew of Twysden, L. Merlyn-Rees, L. Merrivale, L. Mersey, V. Middleton, L. Miller of Hendon, B. Milverton, L. Molloy, L. Molyneaux of Killead, L. Monkswell, L. Monro of Langholm, L. Monson, L. Montagu of Beaulieu, L. Montague of Oxford, L. Monteagle of Brandon, L. Montgomery of Alamein, V. Morris of Castle Morris, L. Morris of Manchester, L. Mottistone, L. Mountevans, L. Mowbray and Stourton, L. Moyne, L. Moynihan, L. Munster, E. Napier and Ettrick, L. Naseby, L. Nelson, E. Newton of Braintree, L. Nicholson of Winterbourne, B. Nicol, B. |
Noel-Buxton, L. Norrie, L. Northbourne, L. Northesk, E. Norton, L. Norwich, Bp. Nunburnholme, L. OCathain, B. Ogmore, L. Onslow of Woking, L. Oppenheim-Barnes, B. Oxford, Bp. Oxfuird, V. Palmer, L. Park of Monmouth, B. Paul, L. Pearson of Rannoch, L. Peel, E. Pender, L. Perry of Walton, L. Peston, L. Peyton of Yeovil, L. Phillips of Sudbury, L. Pike, B. Pilkington of Oxenford, L. Pitkeathley, B. Plant of Highfield, L. Platt of Writtle, B. Plummer of St. Marylebone, L. Prys-Davies, L. Puttnam, L. Quirk, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Rankeillour, L. Rathcavan, L. Rawlings, B. Razzall, L. Rea, L. Reay, L. Redesdale, L. Rees, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L. Rennell, L. Renton, L. Renwick, L. Richard, L. |
Ripon, Bp. Roberts of Conwy, L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Rosslyn, E. Rotherwick, L. Rowallan, L. Ryder of Wensum, L. Sainsbury of Turville, L. Saint Albans, D. St. Davids, V. St. John of Bletso, L. St. John of Fawsley, L. Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly. Sandwich, E. Sandys, L. Savile, L. Sawyer, L. Scotland of Asthal, B. Seccombe, B. Selborne, E. Selkirk of Douglas, L. Serota, B. Shannon, E. Sharples, B. Shaughnessy, L. Shaw of Northstead, L. Shepherd, L. Sheppard of Liverpool, L. Shore of Stepney, L. Simon, V. Simon of Glaisdale, L. Skelmersdale, L. Slim, V. Slynn of Hadley, L. Smith of Gilmorehill, B. Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L. Southwark, Bp. Stallard, L. Stewartby, L. Stone of Blackheath, L. Strabolgi, L. Strathcarron, L. Strathclyde, L. Sudeley, L. Swansea, L. Swinfen, L. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Taylor of Blackburn, L. |
Taylor of Warwick, L. Tebbit, L. Teviot, L. Teynham, L. Thomas of Gwydir, L. Thomas of Macclesfield, L. Thomas of Swynnerton, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thomson of Monifieth, L. Thornton, B. Tope, L. Tordoff, L. Torrington, V. Trefgarne, L. Trumpington, B. Turner of Camden, B. Tweeddale, M. Uddin, B. Ullswater, V. Vivian, L. Waddington, L. Wakefield, Bp. Wakeham, L. Waldegrave, E. Walker of Doncaster, L. Wallace of Coslany, L. Wallace of Saltaire, L. Walton of Detchant, L. Warner, L. Warnock, B. Watson of Invergowrie, L. Waverley, V. Weatherill, L. Wedgwood, L. Westbury, L. Wharton, B. Whitty, L. Wigoder, L. Wilberforce, L. Wilcox, B. Williams of Crosby, B. Williams of Elvel, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Winchilsea and Nottingham, E. Winston, L. Wright of Richmond, L. Young, B. Young of Old Scone, B. |
PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Blackburn.
1. | Leave of AbsenceIt was ordered that the leave of absence granted to the Earl Waldegrave be terminated. |
2. | OathJames Sherbrooke Earl Waldegrave took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute. |
Judicial Business
3. | Newell and others (Original Appellants and Cross-Respondents) v. Secretary of State for the Environment and another (Original Respondents and Cross-Appellants) |
4. | Fletcher Estates (Harlescott) Limited (Original Appellants and Cross-Respondents) v. Secretary of State for the Environment and another (Original Respondents and Cross-Appellants) (Consolidated appeals) The cross-appeal of the Secretary of State for the Environment, Transport and the Regions was presented and it was ordered that in accordance with Standing Order VI the statement and appendix thereto be lodged on or before 28th December next. |
5. | University College London Hospitals NHS Trust (Respondents) v. UNISON (Petitioners) (lodged 11th November)The petition of UNISON praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. |
6. | Link Organisation plc (Petitioners) v. North Derbyshire Tertiary College and others (Respondents)The petition of Link Organisation plc praying for leave to appeal notwithstanding that the time limited by Standing Order II has expired was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. |
7. | Burton (A.P.) (Respondent) v. Mayor etc of the London Borough of Camden (Appellants)The appeal was set down for hearing and referred to an Appellate Committee. |
8. | Newell and others (Original Appellants and Cross-Respondents) v. Secretary of State for the Environment and another (Original Respondents and Cross-Appellants) |
9. | Fletcher Estates (Harlescott) Limited (Original Appellants and Cross-Respondents) v. Secretary of State for the Environment and another (Original Respondents and Cross-Appellants) (Consolidated appeals) The original appeal was set down for hearing and referred to an Appellate Committee. |
10. | Barrett and others (Appellants) v. Morgan (Respondent)The appeal was set down for hearing and referred to an Appellate Committee. |
11. | British Broadcasting Corporation (Respondents) v. Kelly-Phillips (Appellant)The appeal was set down for hearing and referred to an Appellate Committee. |
12. | Carmichael and another (Respondents) v. National Power plc (Appellants)The appeal was set down for hearing and referred to an Appellate Committee. |
13. | Coventry & Solihull Waste Disposal Company Limited (Appellants) v. Russell (Valuation Officer) (Respondent)The petition of the appellants praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 21st December next (the agents for the respondent consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed. |
14. | Harries (A.P.) (Appellant) v. Barclays Bank plc (Respondents)The petition of the appellant praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 28th December next or to the third sitting day after the next ensuing meeting of the House (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed. |
15. | West Bromwich Building Society (Appellants) v. Mander Hadley (Respondents)The petition of the appellants praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 28th December next (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed. |
16. | Dingley (A.P.) (Appellant) v. Chief Constable of Strathclyde Police (Respondent) (Scotland)The petition of the appellant praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 28th December next or to the third sitting day after the next ensuing meeting of the House (the agents for the respondent consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed. |
17. | Chief Adjudication Officer (Appellant) v. Faulds (Respondent) (Scotland)The petition of the appellant praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 21st December next (the agents for the respondent consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed. |
18. | In re Pinochet (application for a writ of Habeas Corpus) (On Appeal from a Divisional Court of the Queens Bench Division)Upon application by the appellants (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto), it was ordered that the appeal be withdrawn. |
Papers
19. | Command PaperThe following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table: EnvironmentGovernment Response to the Report of the House of Commons Environmental Audit Committee on the Greening Government Initiative. |
20. | Affirmative InstrumentThe following instrument was laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table: Draft Northern Ireland (Sentences) Act 1998 (Specified Organisations) (No. 2) Order 1998. |
21. | Negative InstrumentsThe following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table: |
1. | Education (Schools and Further Education) (Amendment) Regulations 1998, laid under the Education Act 1996; |
(2792) |
2. | National Health Service (Travelling Expenses and Remission of Charges) (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 1998, laid under the National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978; |
(2772) |
3. | Bethlem and Maudsley National Health Service Trust (Transfer of Trust Property) Order 1998, laid under the National Health Service Act 1977; |
(2790) |
4. | Child Support (Miscellaneous Amendments) (No. 2) Regulations 1998, laid under the Child Support Act 1991. |
(2799) |
22. | Paper not subject to parliamentary proceedingsThe following paper was laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table: Report for 199798 of the Arts Council of Northern Ireland, laid under the National Lottery etc. Act 1993. |
Private Business
23. | London Local Authorities Bill [HL]The bill was reported from the Unopposed Bill Committee with amendments. |
Public Business
24. | Procedure of the HouseIt was moved by the Chairman of Committees that the 4th Report from the Select Committee (HL Paper 144) be agreed to; then it was moved by the Earl Ferrers as an amendment thereto at end to insert (except the recommendation relating to the Lord Chancellors Dress); after debate, the amendment was disagreed to (see division list); then the original motion was agreed to. |
25. | Resistance to Antibiotics (S&T Report)It was moved by the Lord Soulsby of Swaffham Prior that this House take note of the Report of the Science and Technology Committee, Resistance to Antibiotics and other antimicrobial agents (7th Report, HL Paper 81); after debate, the motion was agreed to. |
26. | Scotland BillThe bill was returned from the Commons with certain amendments disagreed to with reasons for such disagreement, with other amendments disagreed to but with amendments proposed in lieu thereof, with an amendment agreed to with an amendment, and with the remaining amendments agreed to; the Commons amendments and reasons were ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 165) |
27. | Respiratory diseases of mineworkersThe Lord Lofthouse of Pontefract asked Her Majestys Government what progress is being made to deal with claims for compensation by mineworkers who are suffering from respiratory diseases such as bronchitis and emphysema; after debate, the question was answered by the Lord Sainsbury of Turville. |
The House was adjourned at twenty-five minutes past midnight
in the morning of Tuesday 17th November till later the same day,
half-past two oclock in the afternoon.
DIVISION
PROCEDURE OF THE HOUSE
It was moved by the Earl Ferrers, as an amendment to the motion that the 4th Report of the Procedure Committee be agreed to, at end to insert (except the recommendation relating to the Lord Chancellors Dress); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:
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Not-Contents.............145
CONTENTS
Aberdare, L. Ailesbury, M. Ailsa, M. Astor of Hever, L. Belhaven and Stenton, L. Beloff, L. Blatch, B. Boardman, L. Brabazon of Tara, L. Braine of Wheatley, L. Broadbridge, L. Brougham and Vaux, L. Bruntisfield, L. Burnham, L. Butterworth, L. |
Cadman, L. Calverley, L. Campbell of Alloway, L. Carnock, L. Chalfont, L. Charteris of Amisfield, L. Chesham, L. Clark of Kempston, L. Cope of Berkeley, L. Courtown, E. Craigmyle, L. Cranborne, V. Cross, V. Davidson, V. Denham, L. |
Denton of Wakefield, B. Dixon-Smith, L. Downshire, M. Drogheda, E. Ellenborough, L. Elles, B. Elliott of Morpeth, L. Erne, E. Falkland, V. Ferrers, E. [Teller] Fookes, B. Gardner of Parkes, B. Gormanston, V. Grey, E. Halsbury, E. |
Harding of Petherton, L. Headfort, M. Higgins, L. HolmPatrick, L. Home, E. Hooper, B. Hylton-Foster, B. Jopling, L. Kinnoull, E. Knight of Collingtree, B. Lauderdale, E. Leigh, L. Liverpool, E. Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E. Long, V. Lucas, L. Luke, L. Lyell, L. McColl of Dulwich, L. Mackay of Drumadoon, L. Macleod of Borve, B. Marlesford, L. Massereene and Ferrard, V. |
Merrivale, L. Mersey, V. Middleton, L. Miller of Hendon, B. Molyneaux of Killead, L. Monro of Langholm, L. Monson, L. Monteagle of Brandon, L. Mottistone, L. Mountevans, L. Mowbray and Stourton, L. Moynihan, L. Munster, E. Naseby, L. Northesk, E. Onslow of Woking, L. Oxfuird, V. Park of Monmouth, B. Pender, L. Platt of Writtle, B. Rathcavan, L. Rees, L. Renton, L. |
Renwick, L. Roberts of Conwy, L. Rotherwick, L. Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly. [Teller] Savile, L. Seccombe, B. Sharples, B. Shaw of Northstead, L. Skelmersdale, L. Slim, V. Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L. Strathclyde, L. Sudeley, L. Swansea, L. Swinfen, L. Teviot, L. Teynham, L. Trumpington, B. Vivian, L. Waddington, L. Warnock, B. Wedgwood, L. Wilcox, B. Young, B. |
NOT-CONTENTS
Ackner, L. Acton, L. Addington, L. [Teller] Ahmed, L. Alli, L. Annan, L. Archer of Sandwell, L. Bach, L. Barnett, L. Beaumont of Whitley, L. Berkeley, L. Biffen, L. Blackstone, B. Brightman, L. Brooke of Alverthorpe, L. Bruce of Donington, L. Burlison, L. Burns, L. Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L. Carnegy of Lour, B. Carter, L. Chorley, L. Christopher, L. Clancarty, E. Clarke of Hampstead, L. Cledwyn of Penrhos, L. Clement-Jones, L. Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Crawley, B. Currie of Marylebone, L. David, B. Davies of Coity, L. Davies of Oldham, L. Dean of Beswick, L. Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B. Desai, L. Dholakia, L. Donoughue, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Erroll, E. Evans of Parkside, L. Evans of Watford, L. Ewing of Kirkford, L. |
Ezra, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Fitt, L. Freyberg, L. Gilbert, L. Gladwin of Clee, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Goudie, B. Gould of Potternewton, B. Graham of Edmonton, L. Gregson, L. Grenfell, L. Hacking, L. Hamwee, B. Hardy of Wath, L. Harris of Greenwich, L. Harris of Haringey, L. Haskel, L. Hayman, B. Henderson of Brompton, L. Hilton of Eggardon, B. Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Holderness, L. Hollis of Heigham, B. Howie of Troon, L. Hoyle, L. Hughes, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor) Islwyn, L. Jacobs, L. Janner of Braunstone, L. Jay of Paddington, B. (Lord Privy Seal) Jeger, B. Jenkins of Putney, L. Judd, L. Kennet, L. Kilbracken, L. Kinloss, Ly. Lamont of Lerwick, L. |
Leathers, V. Lester of Herne Hill, L. Lockwood, B. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. Longford, E. Ludford, B. McIntosh of Haringey, L. McNair, L. McNally, L. Maddock, B. Marsh, L. Mason of Barnsley, L. Mayhew of Twysden, L. Merlyn-Rees, L. Monkswell, L. Montague of Oxford, L. Morris of Castle Morris, L. Morris of Manchester, L. Nicol, B. Northbourne, L. Paul, L. Plant of Highfield, L. Prys-Davies, L. Puttnam, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Rea, L. Reay, L. Redesdale, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Richard, L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. St. John of Fawsley, L. Sawyer, L. Shaughnessy, L. Shepherd, L. Sheppard of Liverpool, L. Shore of Stepney, L. Simon, V. Simon of Glaisdale, L. Stone of Blackheath, L. Strabolgi, L. [Teller] Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Taylor of Blackburn, L. |
Thomas of Macclesfield, L. Thomas of Swynnerton, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thomson of Monifieth, L. Thornton, B. |
Tope, L. Tordoff, L. Turner of Camden, B. Walker of Doncaster, L. Wallace of Saltaire, L. |
Watson of Invergowrie, L. Weatherill, L. Wharton, B. Wilberforce, L. Williams of Crosby, B. Williams of Elvel, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Winchilsea and Nottingham, E. |