THE
DEVOLUTION
BILLS
45. The 1997-98
session was exceptional in that Parliament considered three major
bills concerned with the devolution of power, the Government of
Wales Bill, the Scotland Bill and the Northern Ireland Bill. In
each case the Committee took more than one meeting to consider
the issues raised by the bill and we considered the Scotland Bill
over four meetings. This was not because of any disagreement in
the Committeethere
was nonebut
rather was a reflection of the complexity of the legislation and
the profound affect which it will have on our constitution.
46. In our report on the
Government of Wales Bill we commented that under that Bill the
Westminster Parliament would remain the supreme legislative body
for Wales.[32]
By contrast, the Scotland Bill created a Parliament with legislative
power which included the right to create delegated powers. New
powers created by the Scottish Parliament will not be scrutinised
by the Westminster Parliament. This was the new dimension added
by the Bill to the devolution issues considered by the Committee
in relation to the Government of Wales Bill.[33]
47. The Scotland Bill
established a Scottish Parliament with power to make laws (Acts
of the Scottish Parliament). This will not affect the power of
the United Kingdom Parliament to make laws for Scotland (clause
27(7)). There will be a Scottish Executive comprising the First
Minister (clauses 42 and 43), the Ministers appointed by him under
clause 44, the Lord Advocate and the Solicitor General for Scotland.
They are to be known as the Scottish Ministers. There will be
three categories of delegated powers for the Scottish Parliament
to consider; those conferred on ministers to facilitate the devolution,
existing powers transferred to Scottish Ministers and new powers
created by that Parliament. As the Scottish Office memorandum
stated, "the
Scotland Bill provides for a very significant change to the government
of Scotland".[34]
48. Our conclusions on
the Scotland Bill were as follows:
In the view of the Committee, the
Bill has necessarily to make complex provisions and the Henry
VIII powers are necessary for the purpose. It is, moreover, likely
that the use of the powers will be confined to matters of detail.
Some of the Henry VIII powers are subject to affirmative procedure
but the majority are subject to negative procedureor, more
accurately, are so subject unless the instrument is an affirmative
instrument. There are three provisions which would permit the
amendment of the Scotland Bill itself. These are in clauses 29(2),
64(3) and 101(6) (which extends the powers listed in paragraph
20 above). The House may wish to consider whether, since this
is a constitutional Bill, no amendments to it should be possible
without the parliamentary control provided by the affirmative
resolution procedure.
There is also a separate and wider
point on the Henry VIII powers. In the Government of Wales Bill
there is a provision which applies affirmative procedure to any
instrument "which
contains provisions in the form of amendments or repeals of enactments
continued in an Act".
The Committee can see no relevant distinction between the Henry
VIII provisions in the Government of Wales Bill and those in the
Scotland Bill. The House may therefore wish to consider whether
it would be appropriate for such a provision requiring affirmative
procedure to be provided for the Henry VIII powers in the present
Bill.[35]
In a letter to the Chairman dated 2
October 1998 Lord Sewel, Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State
at the Scottish Office, stated that the Government were "happy
to take this [the Committee's substantive] recommendation on board."[36]
CONCLUSION
49. During the debate
in the House on the role of Parliament on 13 May 1998 there were
numerous references to the Committee. The then Leader of the House
described the Committee as "one
of the most effective weapons in the armoury of parliamentary
scrutiny",
and stated that the Government took "the
work of that impartial and effective committee extremely seriously
as a central contribution to parliamentary control over the executive"
(col. 1088).
50. On several occasions
this session a Minister has written to us informing us of the
action the Government intended to take in response to our recommendations
about a particular Bill. We warmly welcome this practice, which
is now followed by a majority of Departments. It has for many
years been the practice of the Government to respond to reports
of the Select Committees on the European Communities and Science
and Technology. We invite the Liaison Committee to consider whether
all Departments should, in future, respond succinctly in writing
to those recommendations from this Committee for which they are
responsible. We consider that it could assist the House's deliberations
if such letters were routinely made available to front-bench spokesmen
on the Bill in question, and placed in the Library of the House.
7 Departments are not required to produce memoranda on private members' Bills, but have provided them on bills in which the Government has a close interest or on request by the Committee. Back
8 Further information about the relationship between the Government's Memoranda and the Committee's work is printed in the Annex to this Report. Back
9 The Committee reports on those Money Bills which are not Supply Bills. Back
10 The Joint Committee on Consolidation Bills examines and reports on consolidation bills, statute law revision bills, bills prepared pursuant to the Consolidation of Enactments (Procedure) Act 1949, and bills to give effect to recommendations of the Law Commissions, and certain other matters (Standing Order 49). Back
11 The Procedure Committee report which confirmed the Jellicoe recommendations noted that if for any reason the Scrutiny Committee's report was not ready for committee stage, the House would be under no obligation to delay proceedings. Back
12 Our last Special Report stated that there is an informal understanding that when the Committee has approved provisions in a bill for delegated powers, those powers should not normally be the subject of debate during the bill's subsequent passage. This avoids duplication of effort and saves time in the House. Back
13 For example, the Committee reported of the Jobseekers Bill during the 1994-95 session that there was "a strong argument that the bill is no more than a skeleton bill", and suggested a number of amendments to it (6th Report 1994-95, HL Paper 54). Back
14 The Government's memorandum on the Committee's terms of reference and methods of work was printed with our 1st Report session 1992-93 (HL Paper 57), pp 13-15. An excerpt is reproduced in the Annex to this Report. Back
15 32nd and 33rd Reports. Back
16 HL Paper 15. Back
17 House of Commons Hansard 3 November 1997, col. 54. Back
18 6th Report Session 1997-98, HL Paper 32. Back
19 At that time the Leader of the House of Commons was Mrs Ann Taylor MP. The Chairman of the House of Commons Deregulation Committee is Mr Peter Pike MP. Back
20 Paragraph 6 reads as follows:
"In calculating any period for the purposes of this section, no account is to be taken of any time during which:
(a) Parliament is dissolved or prorogued; or
(b) both Houses are adjourned for more than four days."
With a parliamentary scrutiny period for remedial orders totalling 120 days this definition of calculating periods, which is common in legislation concerning Parliamentary procedure in relation to Statutory Instruments, would mean that the 120 day period would be extended in most cases to take account of periods when Parliament is in recess. Back
21 HL Debate, 29 October 1998, cols. 2104-2112. Back
22 6th Report 1997-98, HL Paper 32. Back
23 HL Debate, 9 December 1997, col. 24. Back
24 10th Report, HL Paper 58. Back
25 11th Report 1997-98, HL Paper 66. Back
26 HL Debate, 25 February 1998, cols. 76-84. Back
27 HL Debate, 25 February 1998, col. 132. Back
28 "Emergency" regulations, which can remain in force for no longer than 12 months, are not subject to consultation. Back
29 The Bill had the support of the Government, and it was with this in mind that we referred to ministerial undertakings. Back
30 16th Report, HL Paper 96. Back
31 See for example, the speech of Viscount Astor, who commented:
"An assurance is not worth very much. It describes the thinking of the Secretary of State of the day. We all know that reshuffles happen regularly in government, in any government. If a Bill is passed and becomes an Act an incoming Minister is not bound by any assurances; he is bound by the law. It is not a question of Pepper v Hart; it is a question of what powers there are in this Bill under which a Secretary of State could say, "This is all very well; my predecessors looked at this, but I would like to go a whole lot further". There is nothing anybody could do. He could do that." (HL Debate, 5 May 1998, col. 558). Back
32 18th Report, HL Paper 101. Back
33 It is, however, not a wholly new feature in the legislative history of the United Kingdom as Acts of the Northern Ireland Parliament often created delegated legislative powers. Back
34 Paragraph 4. Back
35 24th Report, HL Paper 124. Back
36 32nd Report, HL Paper 146, p 23. Back