Select Committee on European Communities Sixteenth Report


APPENDIX 2

Minutes of Proceedings of Sub-Committee B
deliberating on the Draft Report on Blood Alcohol Levels for Drivers

THURSDAY 12 FEBRUARY 1998

Present:


L. Berkeley L. Marsh
B. Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde L. Methuen
L. Geddes L. Paul
L. Haslam L. Skelmersdale
L. Howell of Guildford L. Thomas of Macclesfield


  The Lord Geddes in the Chair.

  The Sub-Committee deliberated on Parts 1 and 3 of the Chairman's draft report. Amendments were made.

THURSDAY 19 FEBRUARY 1998

Present:


L. Berkeley L. Marsh
B. Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde L. Methuen
L. Geddes L. Paul
L. Haslam L. Skelmersdale
L. Howell of Guildford L. Thomas of Macclesfield


  The Lord Geddes in the Chair.

  The Sub-Committee deliberated on the Chairman's draft report. Amendments were made.

THURSDAY 26 FEBRUARY 1998

Present:


L. Berkeley L. Marsh
B. Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde L. Methuen
L. Geddes L. Paul
L. Haslam L. Skelmersdale
L. Howell of Guildford L. Thomas of Macclesfield


  The Lord Geddes in the Chair.

  The Sub-Committee deliberated on the Chairman's draft report. Amendments were made.

  It was moved by the Lord Marsh to leave out paragraph 114 and to insert:

  While reducing the permitted levels for drivers might have a psychological effect as part of a package of measures, this gain would, in our opinion, only be secured at a disproportionate cost in terms of diversion of police resources. Larger benefits in terms of lives saved might well be won by concentrating police time and manpower elsewhere in the road safety field. Furthermore, we hold it as self-evident that the best and most effective laws are those which receive widespread public acceptance and co-operation. We note that with present legal limits the UK has one of the best records in Europe in minimising alcohol related accidents. Whilst there could be a theoretical case for reducing the BAC limit to an effective zero level, thereby reinforcing the message "None for the Road", we consider that any move, at the moment, from 80mg/100ml could be counterproductive. We are, therefore, of the opinion that the BAC limit in the United Kingdom should remain at 80mg/100ml.

  Objected to; on Question?
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L. Howell of Guildford L. Berkeley
L. Marsh B. Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde
L. Haslam
L. Methuen
L. Paul
L. Skelmersdale
L. Thomas of Macclesfield

  The amendment was disagreed to accordingly.

  It was moved by the Lord Marsh to leave out paragraph 116 and to insert:

  The Committee agrees that the Community has competence to legislate on drink drive limits. We also agree with the Government that there is a real subsidiarity issue. Our opinion that the BAC limit in the United Kingdom should remain at 80mg/100ml has been reached on the basis of the merits of the proposal for the United Kingdom. We consider that setting the permitted BAC level for drivers is a matter for Members State governments. We do not, therefore, support European Community action to harmonise the permitted BAC for drivers.

  Objected to; on Question?
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L. Howell of Guildford L. Berkeley
L. Marsh B. Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde
L. Haslam
L. Methuen
L. Paul
L. Skelmersdale
L. Thomas of Macclesfield

  The amendment was disagreed to accordingly.

  The Sub-Committee agreed to the draft report as amended.


 
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