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Baroness Strange: My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in support of my amendment, particularly my noble friends Lord Freyberg, Lady Park of Monmouth and Lord Morris, my noble and gallant friend Lord Craig of Radley, and my noble kinsman Lord Russell. I should like to say this to the noble Lord, Lord Mackay. I am sorry that I am threatening him, but perhaps with any luck this may go away. I thank the right reverend Prelate for his kind and moving words and I thank other noble Lords who have spoken. I thank my noble friend Lady Hollis for the time she has spent on this issue--it was not of my choosing--and for the kind and lovely way in which she replied. I know that her personal feelings are the same as mine and the same as many of your Lordships. We are not being intransigent, difficult, or any of those

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things. We are simply putting down a marker for the future. We modified the amendment in a way which I hoped would be helpful to the Government. This is a money-saving amendment, not a money-spending one.

If something is right, fair and true, in the long run that is what matters. I should like to ask the House to agree to Amendment No. 20B in lieu.

4.5 p.m.

On Question, That the House do not insist on their Amendment No. 20 to which the Commons have disagreed for their reason numbered 20A but do propose Amendment No. 20B in lieu thereof?

Their Lordships divided: Contents, 153; Not-Contents, 140.

Division No. 1


Ackner, L.
Addington, L.
Ailsa, M.
Alderdice, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Avebury, L.
Banbury of Southam, L.
Barker, B.
Bathurst, E.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Bethell, L.
Blyth, L.
Bradshaw, L.
Bramall, L.
Bridges, L.
Bruntisfield, L.
Buccleuch and Queensberry, D.
Buckinghamshire, E.
Cadman, L.
Calverley, L.
Carlile of Berriew, L.
Carlisle, E.
Chalfont, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clement-Jones, L.
Cochrane of Cults, L.
Coleridge, L.
Craig of Radley, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Crook, L.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Davidson, V.
Dholakia, L.
Drogheda, E.
Dundee, E.
Eden of Winton, L.
Effingham, E.
Elibank, L.
Elles, B.
Exmouth, V.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V.
Fookes, B.
Forsyth of Drumlean, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gainford, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Glanusk, L.
Glasgow, E.
Goodhart, L.
Gormanston, V.
Greenway, L.
Grey, E.
Hampton, L.
Hamwee, B.
Hardinge of Penshurst, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of Richmond, B.
Hogg, B.
Hutchinson of Lullington, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Ilchester, E.
Inge, L.
Ironside, L.
Jacobs, L.
Jeger, B.
Jopling, L.
Kemsley, V.
Kilbracken, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kintore, E.
Lauderdale, E.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Lindsey and Abingdon, E.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Liverpool, E.
Lloyd-Webber, L.
Long, V.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Manton, L.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Moyne, L.
Newall, L.
Newby, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Nunburnholme, L.
O'Cathain, B.
Ogmore, L.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Pender, L.
Plumb, L.
Prior, L.
Rathcavan, L.
Razzall, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rennard, L
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rowallan, L.
Russell, E. [Teller]
Ryder of Warsaw, B.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandberg, L.
Sandford, L.
Sandwich, E.
Sandys, L.
Shannon, E.
Sharman, L.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Sharples, B.
Shaughnessy, L.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stewartby, L.
Strange, B. [Teller]
Suffolk and Berkshire, E.
Swansea, L.
Taverne, L.
Temple of Stowe, E.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thurso, V.
Tordoff, L.
Trenchard, V.
Turner of Camden, B.
Waddington, L.
Weatherill, L.
Wedgwood, L.
Westbury, L.
Wigoder, L.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Wise, L.
Wynford, L.


Acton, L.
Alli, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Ashton of Upholland, B.
Bach, L.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Berkeley, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blease, L.
Borrie, L.
Bragg, L.
Brett, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Burlison, L.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carter, L. [Teller]
Chandos, V.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Cledwyn of Penrhos, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Crawley, B.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Desai, L.
Diamond, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dubs, L.
Elder, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Evans of Watford, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Gale, B.
Gavron, L.
Goldsmith, L.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Grabiner, L.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Hanworth, V.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harrison, L.
Haskel, L.
Hayman, B.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Howells of St Davids, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor)
Islwyn, L.
Jay of Paddington, B. (Lord Privy Seal)
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
King of West Bromwich, L.
Kirkhill, L.
Lane, L.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Lincoln, Bp.
Lipsey, L.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Lovell-Davis, L.
McCarthy, L.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller]
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Mallalieu, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massey of Darwen, B.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Monkswell, L.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Nicol, B.
Orme, L.
Peston, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Rea, L.
Rees-Mogg, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Richard, L.
Roll of Ipsden, L.
Sainsbury of Turville, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Sawyer, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Serota, B.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strafford, E.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Thornton, B.
Thurlow, L.
Uddin, B.
Varley, L.
Wakefield, Bp.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Warner, L.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Whitaker, B.
Whitty, L.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Woolmer of Leeds, L.
Young of Dartington, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.

Resolved in the affirmative, and Motion agreed to accordingly.

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33Clause 50, page 56, line 23, leave out ("26 weeks") and insert ("two years").
The Commons disagreed to this Amendment but propose the following Amendment in lieu thereof--
33APage 56, line 23, leave out ("26") and insert ("52").

4.16 p.m.

Baroness Hollis of Heigham: My Lords, I beg to move that the House do not insist on their Amendment No. 33 to which the Commons have disagreed, but do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 33A in lieu thereof.

Moved, That the House do not insist on their Amendment No. 33 to which the Commons have disagreed, but do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 33A in lieu thereof.--(Baroness Hollis of Heigham).

Lord Astor of Hever: My Lords, we on these Benches shall not seek to overturn the Commons proposal disagreeing to our amendment to extend the allowances for bereaved spouses to two years. However, we feel very strongly that the Government have shown their true colours in regard to this important issue by preventing any debate in the other place. That indicates calculated contempt both for Parliament and for vulnerable bereaved spouses. Ministers should be utterly ashamed of themselves. It is hardly surprising that so many Labour MPs voted against the Government despite all the usual bullying.

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