House of Lords Journal 232 (Session 1998-99)

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Wednesday 10 March 1999

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Addison, V.
Ahmed, L.
Ailesbury, M.
Ailsa, M.
Aldington, L.
Alexander of Tunis, E.
Alexander of Weedon, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alli, L.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St. Johns, B.
Annaly, L.
Annan, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Archer of Weston-Super-Mare, L.
Arran, E.
Ashbourne, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Bach, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Bathurst, E.
Bauer, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Beaverbrook, L.
Belhaven and Stenton, L.
Beloff, L.
Berkeley, L.
Berners, B.
Biddulph, L.
Biffen, L.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Blease, L.
Bledisloe, V.
Blyth, L.

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Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bragg, L.
Bramall, L.
Brentford, V.
Bridgeman, V.
Bridges, L.
Brightman, L.
Bristol, Bp.
Broadbridge, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Broughshane, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butterfield, L.
Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Cadman, L.
Caithness, E.
Callaghan of Cardiff, L.
Calverley, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Canterbury, Abp.
Carew, L.
Carlisle, E.
Carmichael of Kelvingrove, L.
Carnarvon, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carnock, L.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Carrick, E.
Carter, L.
Castle of Blackburn, B.
Chadlington, L.
Chalfont, L.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.
Charteris of Amisfield, L.
Chesham, L.
Chorley, L.
Christopher, L.
Clancarty, E.
Clanwilliam, E.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Clifford of Chudleigh, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cobbold, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cowdrey of Tonbridge, L.
Cox, B.
Craigavon, V.
Craigmyle, L.
Crathorne, L.
Crawley, B.
Crickhowell, L.
Cromwell, L.
Cross, V.
Cuckney, L.
Cullen of Ashbourne, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Dahrendorf, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
Dartmouth, E.
David, B.
Davidson, V.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Freyne, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Denbigh, E.
Denham, L.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dilhorne, V.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Dormand of Easington, L.
Dowding, L.
Drogheda, E.
Dulverton, L.
Dundonald, E.
Eatwell, L.
Elibank, L.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Ellenborough, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Evans of Watford, L.
Exmouth, V.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Feldman, L.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Flowers, L.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gainford, L.
Gainsborough, E.
Gallacher, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gibson, L.
Gilbert, L.
Gilmour of Craigmillar, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Gladwyn, L.
Glanusk, L.
Glenamara, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gormanston, V.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Gray, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greenway, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grey, E.
Hacking, L.
Haddington, E.
Halsbury, E.
Hampton, L.
Hankey, L.
Hanworth, V.
Harding of Petherton, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harlech, L.
Harmar-Nicholls, L.
Harmsworth, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harris of High Cross, L.
Harrowby, E.
Haskel, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Healey, L.
Henley, L.
Hereford, Bp.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hindlip, L.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
Holmpatrick, L.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Howe, E.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hussey of North Bradley, L.
Hylton, L.
Hylton-Foster, B.
Inglewood, L.
Ironside, L.
Islwyn, L.
Iveagh, E.
Jacobs, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jeffreys, L.
Jeger, B.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Jenkins of Hillhead, L.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Jopling, L.
Judd, L.
Kennet, L.
Kimball, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kinloss, Ly.
Kirkhill, L.
Kitchener, E.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Knollys, V.
Laming, L.
Lamont of Lerwick, L.
Lauderdale, E.
Lawrence, L.
Leathers, V.
Leicester, E.

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Leigh, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Levy, L.
Lindsay, E.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Liverpool, E.
Lloyd-George of Dwyfor, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Long, V.
Longford, E.
Lucas of Chilworth, L.
Ludford, B.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
Lytton, E.
Macclesfield, E.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McConnell, L.
Macfarlane of Bearsden, L.
McFarlane of Llandaff, B.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
McNair, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mancroft, L.
Mar, C.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massereene and Ferrard, V.
Merrivale, L.
Mersey, V.
Methuen, L.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Milner of Leeds, L.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monckton of Brenchley, V.
Monkswell, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Montague of Oxford, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Morris, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mountevans, L.
Moyne, L.
Moynihan, L.
Munster, E.
Murray of Epping Forest, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Napier and Ettrick, L.
Naseby, L.
Nelson, E.
Newall, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicol, B.
Noel-Buxton, L.
Northbourne, L.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
Norton, L.
Norton of Louth, L.
Nunburnholme, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Orme, L.
Oxford, Bp.
Oxfuird, V.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Patel, L.
Patten, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Pender, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Porter of Luddenham, L.
Puttnam, L.
Quinton, L.
Quirk, L.
Radnor, E.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rankeillour, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Rees, L.
Rees-Mogg, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Renwick, L.
Richard, L.
Rix, L.
Rochester, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowallan, L.
Russell, E.
Ryder of Warsaw, B.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
St. Davids, V.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St. John of Fawsley, L.
Sandhurst, L.
Sandwich, E.
Sawyer, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Seccombe, B.
Selborne, E.
Selsdon, L.
Shannon, E.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Shaughnessy, L.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Southwark, Bp.
Southwell, Bp.
Stallard, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strange, B.
Strathclyde, L.
Strathcona and Mt. Royal, L.
Sudeley, L.
Suffolk and Berkshire, E.
Swansea, L.
Swinfen, L.
Swinton, E.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tebbit, L.
Temple of Stowe, E.
Tenby, V.
Teviot, L.
Teynham, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thornton, B.
Thurlow, L.
Thurso, V.
Tollemache, L.
Tomlinson, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Tryon, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Tweeddale, M.
Uddin, B.
Ullswater, V.
Varley, L.
Vinson, L.
Vivian, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Walker of Doncaster, L.
Wallace of Coslany, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walpole, L.
Warnock, B.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Weir, V.
Westbury, L.
Wharton, B.
Whitty, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williamson of Horton, L.
Willoughby de Broke, L.
Wilson of Tillyorn, L.
Winchilsea and Nottingham, E.
Wise, L.
Wynford, L.
Young, B.
Young of Old Scone, B.

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PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Oxford.

1.Royal Assent—The Lord Chancellor notified the Queen’s Assent to the following Act:
Road Traffic (NHS Charges) Actc. 3

Judicial Business

2.Goodes (Respondent) v. East Sussex County Council (Appellants) (England)—The appeal of East Sussex County Council was presented and it was ordered that in accordance with Standing Order VI the statement and appendix thereto be lodged on or before 21st April next.
3.Regina v. Smith (Respondent)—The petition of the Director of Public Prosecutions praying for an extension of time within which the appeal may be lodged in accordance with the Criminal Appeal Act 1968 was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
4.Glasgow City Council and others (Respondents) v. Marshall and others (Appellants) (Scotland)—The appeal was set down for hearing and referred to an Appellate Committee.
5.Goodes (Respondent) v. East Sussex County Council (Appellants) (England)—It was ordered that the appellants be allowed to prosecute the appeal without giving the usual security for costs as required by Standing Order.


6.Command Paper—The following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:

Public Accounts—Treasury Minute on the First, Second and Third Reports from the House of Commons Committee of Public Accounts, Session 1998–99.


7.Affirmative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Draft National Minimum Wage (Offshore Employment) Order 1999;
2.Draft Social Security (Incapacity, Earnings and Work Trials) Pilot Schemes Regulations 1999;
3.Traffic Areas (Reorganisation) (Wales) Order 1999.
8.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Local Government (Committees and Political Groups) (Amendment) Regulations 1999, laid under the Local Government and Housing Act 1989;
2.Offshore Installations (Safety Zones) Order 1999, laid under the Petroleum Act 1987;


3.Local Government (Discretionary Payments) (Amendment) Regulations 1999, laid under the Superannuation Act 1972;
4.Local Government (Parishes and Parish Councils) Regulations 1999, laid under the Local Government and Rating Act 1997;
5. (i)Council Tax (Exempt Dwellings) (Amendment) Order 1999—(536)
(ii)Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) (Amendment) Regulations 1999—(534)
 laid under the Local Government Finance Act 1992;
6.Rates (Regional Rates) Order (Northern Ireland) 1999, laid under the Northern Ireland Act 1974;
7.Police Act 1996 (Commencement and Transitional Provisions) Order 1999, laid under the Police Act 1996;
8. (i)Northumbria Health Care National Health Service Trust (Transfer of Trust Property) Order 1999—(627)
(ii)National Health Service (Functions of Health Authorities and Administration Arrangements) Amendment Regulations 1999—(628)
(iii)National Health Service (General Ophthalmic Services) (Amendment) Regulations 1999—(693)
(iv)National Health Service Information Authority Regulations 1999—(694)
(v)National Health Service Information Authority (Establishment and Constitution) Order 1999—(695)
(vi)National Health Service (Pharmaceutical Services) Amendment Regulations 1999—(696)
(vii)Southern Derbyshire Acute Hospitals National Health Service Trust (Transfer of Trust Property) Order 1999—(721)
 laid under the National Health Service Act 1977;

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9.Medicines (Sale or Supply) (Miscellaneous Provisions) Amendment Regulations 1999, laid under the Medicines Act 1968;
10.Magistrates’ Courts (Hearsay Evidence in Civil Proceedings) Rules 1999, laid under the Magistrates’ Courts Act 1980;
11.Road Vehicles (Statutory Off-Road Notification) (Amendment) Regulations 1999, laid under the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994;
12.Motor Cycles (Eye Protectors) Regulations 1999, laid under the Road Traffic Act 1988;
13.Calshot Oyster Fishery (Variation) Order 1999, laid under the Sea Fisheries (Shellfish) Act 1967;
14.Agricultural Wages Act 1948 (Amendment) Regulations 1999, laid under the National Minimum Wage Act 1998;
15. (i)Meat Products (Hygiene) (Amendment) Regulations 1999—(683)
(ii)Rural Diversification Programme (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 1999—(651)
(iii)Highlands and Islands Agricultural Programme Amendment Regulations 1999—(647)
 laid under the European Communities Act 1972;
16. (i)Education (Transfer of Functions Concerning School Lunches) (Wales) Order 1999—(610)
(ii)Education (Education Standards Grants) (Wales) Regulations 1999—(521)
(iii)Education (Grant-maintained and Grant-maintained Special Schools) (Grants) (England) Regulations 1999—(698)
 laid under the Education Act 1996;
17.Social Security (Industrial Injuries) (Dependency) (Permitted Earnings Limits) Order 1999, laid under the Social Security Contributions and Benefits Act 1992;
18.Scottish Ambulance Service Board Order 1999, laid under the National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978;
19. (i)Industrial and Provident Societies (Credit Unions) (Fees) Regulations 1999—(739)
(ii)Industrial and Provident Societies (Fees) Regulations 1999—(740)
 laid under the Industrial and Provident Societies Act 1965;
20.Building Societies (General Charge and Fees) Regulations 1999, laid under the Building Societies Act 1986;
21.Friendly Societies (General Charge and Fees) Regulations 1999, laid under the Friendly Societies Act 1992;
22.Public Offers of Securities (Amendment) Regulations 1999, laid under the European Communities Act 1972.
9.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Amendment to Air Publication 3376, Volume 1, Trade Structure of the Royal Air Force, laid under the Air Force (Constitution) Act 1917;
2.Report for 1997–98 of Her Majesty’s Chief Inspector of Schools in Wales, laid under the School Inspections Act 1996;
3.Statements of Guarantee by the Secretary of State for Health in respect of temporary borrowings by—
(i)Royal Shrewsbury Hospitals National Health Service Trust from the Royal Bank of Scotland plc—
(ii)Lincolnshire Ambulance and Health Transport Service National Health Service Trust from the Royal Bank of Scotland plc—
(iii)North Tees and Hartlepool National Health Service Trust from Lloyds Bank plc—
(iv)Cornwall Healthcare National Health Service Trust from Lloyds Bank plc—
(v)Tees and North East Yorkshire National Health Service Trust from Barclays Bank plc—
(vi)Swindon and Marlborough National Health Service Trust from National Westminster Bank plc—
(vii)Havering Hospitals National Health Service Trust from Barclays Bank plc—
 laid under the National Health Service and Community Care Act 1990;
4.Land Purchase Account for 1997–98 of the Supreme Court of Judicature in Northern Ireland, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Northern Ireland Land Purchase (Winding Up) Act 1935;

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5.Treasury Minute of 10th March 1999 directing the application of certain receipts as appropriations in aid of the votes specified in the revised spring supplementary estimates for the year ending 31st March 1999, laid under the Public Accounts and Charges Act 1891;
6.Food Protection (Emergency Prohibitions) (Paralytic Shellfish Poisoning) (No. 2) Order 1998 Partial Revocation Order 1999, laid under the Food and Environment Protection Act 1985.

Select Committee Reports

10.Delegated Powers and Deregulation—The following report from the Select Committee was made and ordered to be printed:

9th Report, on the following Bills:

 Pollution Prevention and Control Bill [HL]—Government amendments for consideration on Report;
 Sexual Offences (Amendment) Bill;
 European Parliamentary Elections (Gibraltar) Bill [HL];
 Scottish Enterprise Bill. (HL Paper 40)
11.Science and Technology—The 3rd Report from the Select Committee, Management of Nuclear Waste, was made; it was ordered that the Report be printed. (HL Paper 41)

Public Business

12.Business of the House—It was moved by the Baroness Jay of Paddington that the debate on the motion in the name of the Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer set down for today shall be limited to 3½ hours and that in the name of the Baroness Thomas of Walliswood to 2½ hours; the motion was agreed to.
13.Countryside policy (3½ hour debate)—It was moved by the Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer that there be laid before the House papers relating to the case for policies which will ensure a living, working countryside and in particular to the need for clarity in the new relationships between the Regional Development Agencies, the Countryside Agency, Government offices, the European Commission and local authorities; after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn.
14.Rail industry (2½ hour debate)—It was moved by the Baroness Thomas of Walliswood that there be laid before the House papers relating to the case for greater investment in rail infrastructure to enable the rail industry to play its full part in an integrated transport policy whilst maintaining the highest safety standards; after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn.
15.Ageing population—The Lord Dholakia asked Her Majesty’s Government what changes they expect in public policy in the new Millennium as a result of the ageing population; after debate, the question was answered by the Baroness Hayman.

The House was adjourned at twenty-seven minutes before eleven o’clock
till tomorrow, two o’clock for judicial business,
three o’clock for public business.