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Lord Cope of Berkeley: I hesitate to work too hard in the interests of Scotland, not least because those of your Lordships who come from England or Wales, or for that matter Northern Ireland, may not realise that the only chap Bonnie Prince Charlie beat in the course of the 1745 rebellion was General Sir John Cope--no relation of mine as far as I am aware!
Lord Cope of Berkeley: He certainly was not my grandfather; it was 1745! But I cannot be entirely certain as to whether he was a more distant relation. I am not sure of all my relations that far back, but, as far as I know, he was no relation. The Scots, having defeated him, wrote a rude song and a pipe tune to match. It has been my experience in life that, whenever I am within range of a piper who discovers my name,
Lord Cope of Berkeley: I did realise that. I also realised the confusion there would be if both the Scottish Parliament and ourselves were attempting to legislate in the same jurisdiction on these matters. It is certainly not my wish that we should get into a situation where to incite terrorism of a particular kind in one part of the United Kingdom was legal whereas in other parts it was illegal. Therefore, all those inciting
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