House of Lords Journal 234 (Session 2000-01)


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Wednesday 13 December 2000

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Irvine of Lairg, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Aberdare, L.
Ackner, L.
Addington, L.
Ahmed, L.
Alderdice, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Ampthill, L.
Anelay of St Johns, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Arran, E.
Ashcroft, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Bach, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Belstead, L.
Billingham, B.
Birt, L.
Blackwell, L.
Blaker, L.
Blatch, B.
Boardman, L.
Borrie, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bradshaw, L.
Bragg, L.
Bramall, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Bridges, L.
Brightman, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Bruce of Donington, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Burns, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butler of Brockwell, L.

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Butterworth, L.
Byford, B.
Caithness, E.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Croy, L.
Carlile of Berriew, L.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Carnarvon, E.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Carter, L.
Chadlington, L.
Chalfont, L.
Chelmsford, Bp.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Courtown, E.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crickhowell, L.
Cuckney, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Dahrendorf, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Denham, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dubs, L.
Dundee, E.
Eccles of Moulton, B.
Eden of Winton, L.
Elder, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Emerton, B.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Evans of Temple Guiting, L.
Evans of Watford, L.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Feldman, L.
Ferrers, E.
Filkin, L.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freeman, L.
Freyberg, L.
Gale, B.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Geddes, L.
Geraint, L.
Gibson of Market Rasen, B.
Gilmour of Craigmillar, L.
Gladwin of Clee, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Goldsmith, L.
Goodhart, L.
Goschen, V.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greaves, L.
Greengross, B.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grenfell, L.
Hamwee, B.
Hanningfield, L.
Hardy of Wath, L.
Harris of Greenwich, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harris of Richmond, B.
Harrison, L.
Haskel, L.
Haslam, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Healey, L.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hogg, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Holderness, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Howe, E.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howells of St. Davids, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Chesterton, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Hussey of North Bradley, L.
Hylton, L.
Islwyn, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jellicoe, E.
Jenkins of Putney, L.
Joffe, L.
Jopling, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kimball, L.
King of West Bromwich, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kirkham, L.
Kirkhill, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Laird, L.
Laming, L.
Lamont of Lerwick, L.
Lane of Horsell, L.
Lang of Monkton, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Layard, L.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Levy, L.
Lindsay, E.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Lipsey, L.
Listowel, E.
Liverpool, E.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Longford, E.
Lucas, L.
McCarthy, L.
McCluskey, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
Macfarlane of Bearsden, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L.
MacKenzie of Culkein, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Mallalieu, B.
Mancroft, L.
Mar, C.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massey of Darwen, B.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Mishcon, L.
Molloy, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Moran, L.
Morgan, L.
Morris of Castle Morris, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moynihan, L.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicol, B.
Noakes, B.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Northover, B.
Norton of Louth, L.
Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Onslow, E.
Orme, L.
Oxford, Bp.
Palmer, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Patel, L.
Patten, L.

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Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Plumb, L.
Plummer of St. Marylebone, L.
Prashar, B.
Prior, L.
Puttnam, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Richard, L.
Richardson of Calow, B.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Rogan, L.
Roll of Ipsden, L.
Roper, L.
Rotherwick, L.
Russell, E.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
Sainsbury of Turville, L.
St. John of Bletso, L.
Sandwich, E.
Scott of Needham Market, B.
Seccombe, B.
Selsdon, L.
Sharman, L.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Sharples, B.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Shepherd, L.
Sheppard of Liverpool, L.
Shore of Stepney, L.
Shutt of Greetland, L.
Simon, V.
Simon of Glaisdale, L.
Simon of Highbury, L.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Southwark, Bp.
St John of Fawsley, L.
Stallard, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stodart of Leaston, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strange, B.
Strathclyde, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Gryfe, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tenby, V.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Gwydir, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thornton, B.
Tomlinson, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trumpington, B.
Turnberg, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Varley, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walmsley, B.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warner, L.
Warnock, B.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Watson of Richmond, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Whitaker, B.
Wigoder, L.
Wilberforce, L.
Wilkins, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williams of Mostyn, L.
Williamson of Horton, L.
Wilson of Tillyorn, L.
Windlesham, L.
Woolmer of Leeds, L.
Young, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Southwark.

Judicial Business

1.Ashworth Frazer Limited (Respondents) v. Gloucester City Council (Appellants) (England)—The appeal of Gloucester City Council was presented and it was ordered that in accordance with Standing Order VI the statement and appendix thereto be lodged on or before 24th January next (lodged 8th December).
2.Trade Marks Act 1938 (application No. 1,589,316)—The petition of Gillette Canada Company and the Gillette Company praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.

Papers

3.Instrument withdrawn—The following instrument, laid before the House on 30th November, was withdrawn:

Draft Social Security Benefits Up-rating (No. 2) Order 2000.

4.Command Papers—The following papers were presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Ireland—Exchange of Letters between the United Kingdom and Ireland amending the agreement concerning the International Fund for Ireland;
 (5007)
2.Crime—Agreement between the United Kingdom and Romania concerning the restraint and confiscation of the proceeds and instruments of crime.
 (5008)
5.Affirmative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Draft Social Security Benefits Up-rating (No. 2) Order 2000;
2.Draft Proscribed Organisations Appeal Commission (Procedure) Rules 2001.

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6.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Social Fund (Recovery by Deductions from Benefits) Amendment Regulations 2000, laid under the Welfare Reform and Pensions Act 1999;
 (3223)
2.Control of Gold, Securities, Payments and Credits (Republic of Iraq) (Revocation) Directions 2000, laid under the Emergency Laws (Re-enactments and Repeals) Act 1964.
 (3271)
7.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1. (i)Iraq (United Nations Sanctions) (Overseas Territories) Order 2000—(3242)
(ii)Iraq (United Nations Sanctions) Order 2000—(3241)
(iii)Iraq (United Nations Sanctions) (Isle of Man) Order 2000—(3245)
(iv)Iraq (United Nations Sanctions) (Channel Islands) Order 2000—(3244)
 laid under the United Nations Act 1946;
2.Resource Accounts for 1999–2000 of the Armed Forces Pension Scheme, laid under the Exchequer and Audit Departments Act 1921;
3.Statement on Drake Insurance Company Limited, laid under the Policyholders Protection Act 1975;
4.Caribbean Territories (Control of Gold, Securities, Payments and Credits: Kuwait and Republic of Iraq) Revocation Order 2000, laid under the Anguilla Act 1980.
 (3240)

Select Committee Report

8.Delegated Powers and Deregulation—The following Report from the Select Committee was made and ordered to be printed:

First Report, on the draft Deregulation (Sunday Licensing) Order 2000. (HL Paper 7)

Public Business

9.Minimum incomes legislation—A petition of the trustees of the Zacchaeus 2000 Trust and others, praying that the House do urge the Secretary of State for Social Security to introduce legislation which will provide the Government with information about the minimum incomes which will maintain good health, provide an adequate diet and other essential needs for pregnant women, their babies and toddlers, adults, families with children and pensioners and which will be taken into account when decisions are being made about the levels of local and national taxes, benefits, the minimum wage, working families tax credit, pensions, and by the courts when determining the level of fines, the repayment of debts and all deductions from benefits, was presented by the Lord Morris of Manchester and ordered to lie on the Table.
10.Parliamentary Referendum Bill [HL]—A bill to establish the entitlement of each House of Parliament to resolve that a referendum be held on matters substantially affecting the constitution; to make provision as to the conduct of such referendums; and for connected purposes was presented by the Lord Campbell of Alloway, read a first time and ordered to be printed. (HL Bill Bill 6)
11.Business of the House—It was moved by the Baroness Jay of Paddington that, unless any Lord objects, leave be given to the Chairman of Committees to move the five motions standing in his name en bloc; the motion was agreed to.
12.Deputy Chairmen of Committees—It was moved by the Chairman of Committees that, as proposed by the Committee of Selection, the following Lords be appointed as the panel of Lords to act as Deputy Chairmen of Committees for this session:
L. Aberdare
V. Allenby of Megiddo
L. Ampthill
L. Brougham and Vaux
L. Burnham
L. Carter
L. Cocks of Hartcliffe
B. Cox
L. Dean of Harptree
L. Elliott of Morpeth
L. Elton
V. Falkland
B. Gardner of Parkes
L. Geddes
L. Graham of Edmonton
L. Henley
B. Hooper
B. Lockwood
L. Lofthouse of Pontefract
L. Lyell
L. McColl of Dulwich
L. McIntosh of Haringey
C. Mar
L. Methuen
L. Murton of Lindisfarne
B. Nicol
V. Oxfuird
B. Serota
V. Simon
L. Skelmersdale
L. Strabolgi
B. Turner of Camden;

the motion was agreed to.

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13.House of Lords Offices—It was moved by the Chairman of Committees that the Select Committee on the House of Lords Offices be appointed and that, as proposed by the Committee of Selection, the following Lords together with the Chairman of Committees be named of the Committee:
B. Blatch
L. Carter
L. Chalfont
L. Colwyn
L. Craig of Radley
L. Dholakia
L. Dixon
L. Elton
L. Gilbert
L. Harris of Greenwich
L. Henley
B. Hilton of Eggardon
L. Hunt of Wirral
L. Irvine of Lairg (Lord Chancellor)
B. Jay of Paddington
(Lord Privy Seal)
L. Laming
L. Marsh
B. Oppenheim-Barnes
Bp. Oxford
L. Renfrew of Kaimsthorn
L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank
B. Seccombe
B. Serota
L. Shutt of Greetland
L. Strathclyde
L. Tordoff
L. Williams of Mostyn;

the motion was agreed to.

14.Liaison Committee—It was moved by the Chairman of Committees that a Select Committee be appointed to advise the House on the resources required for select committee work and to allocate resources between select committees; to review the select committee work of the House; to consider requests for ad hoc committees and report to the House with recommendations; to ensure effective co-ordination between the two Houses; and to consider the availability of Lords to serve on committees;

That as proposed by the Committee of Selection the following Lords together with the Chairman of Committees be named of the Committee:

L. Clinton-Davis
V. Colville of Culross
L. Craig of Radley
B. Jay of Paddington
(Lord Privy Seal)
B. Pitkeathley
L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank
L. Strathclyde
L. Wigoder
B. Wilcox
B. Young;

That the Committee have leave to report from time to time;
That the Committee have power to appoint specialist advisers;
the motion was agreed to.

15.Privileges—It was moved by the Chairman of Committees that a Committee for Privileges be appointed and that, as proposed by the Committee of Selection, the following Lords together with the Chairman of Committees and any four Lords of Appeal be named of the Committee:
L. Allen of Abbeydale
L. Carter
L. Cledwyn of Penrhos
L. Craig of Radley
V. Cranborne
L. Graham of Edmonton
L. Henley
B. Jay of Paddington
(Lord Privy Seal)
L. Mackay of Clashfern
L. Marsh
L. Mayhew of Twysden
L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank
L. Strabolgi
L. Strathclyde
L. Wigoder;

That the Committee have power to appoint sub-committees and that such sub-committees have power to appoint their own Chairman;
That the Committee have power to co-opt any Lord for the purposes of serving on any sub-committee;
the motion was agreed to.

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16.Procedure of the House—It was moved by the Chairman of Committees that the Select Committee on Procedure of the House be appointed and that, as proposed by the Committee of Selection, the following Lords together with the Chairman of Committees be named of the Committee:
V. Allenby of Megiddo
B. Blatch
V. Bledisloe
L. Burlison
L. Carter
L. Clarke of Hampstead
L. Cope of Berkeley
L. Craig of Radley
L. Crickhowell
L. Denham
B. Gould of Potternewton
B. Hanham
L. Harris of Greenwich
L. Henley
L. Irvine of Lairg (Lord Chancellor)
B. Jay of Paddington
(Lord Privy Seal)
L. Kimball
B. Lockwood
L. Mancroft
L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank
L. Roper
L. Shepherd
V. Simon
L. Strabolgi
L. Strathclyde
L. Tordoff
L. Trefgarne
L. Waddington
L. Williams of Mostyn;

the motion was agreed to.

17.The Queen’s Speech—The debate was resumed on the motion that an Humble Address be presented to Her Majesty as follows—

“Most Gracious Sovereign,

 We, Your Majesty’s most dutiful and loyal subjects, the Lords Spiritual and Temporal in Parliament assembled, beg leave to thank Your Majesty for the most gracious Speech which Your Majesty has addressed to both Houses of Parliament.”;

after further debate, the motion was agreed to nemine dissentiente, and it was ordered that the Address be presented to Her Majesty by the Lord Chamberlain.

The House was adjourned at twelve minutes past ten o’clock
till tomorrow, two o’clock for judicial business, three o’clock for public business.