House of Lords Journal 234 (Session 2000-01) |
Lords Journals Contents Index Minutes and Order Papers |
Monday 22 January 2001 The House met at half-past two oclock. The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present: Irvine of Lairg, L.
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Attlee, E. Avebury, L. Bach, L. Baker of Dorking, L. Baldwin of Bewdley, E. Barber, L. Barker, B. Barnett, L. Bassam of Brighton, L. Beaumont of Whitley, L. Bell, L. Bellwin, L. Berkeley, L. Bernstein of Craigweil, L. Biffen, L. Billingham, B. Blackburn, Bp. Blackstone, B. Blackwell, L. Blaker, L. Blatch, B. Blease, L. Blood, B. Boardman, L. Boothroyd, B. Borrie, L. Boston of Faversham, L. Bowness, L. Brabazon of Tara, L. Bradshaw, L. Bragg, L. Brennan, L. Brett, L. Bridge of Harwich, L. Bridgeman, V. Briggs, L. Brightman, L. Brittan of Spennithorne, L. Brooke of Alverthorpe, L. Brookeborough, V. Brookman, L. Brooks of Tremorfa, L. Brougham and Vaux, L. Bruce of Donington, L. Burlison, L. Burnham, L. Burns, L. Buscombe, B. Butler of Brockwell, L. Butterworth, L. Byford, B. Caithness, E. Campbell of Alloway, L. Campbell of Croy, L. Carlile of Berriew, L. Carlisle of Bucklow, L. Carrington, L. Carter, L. Carver, L. Castle of Blackburn, B. Cavendish of Furness, L. Chadlington, L. Chalfont, L. Chandos, V. Chichester, Bp. Clarke of Hampstead, L. Clement-Jones, L. Cobbold, L. Cockfield, L. |
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Cohen of Pimlico, B. Colwyn, L. Cope of Berkeley, L. Courtown, E. Cox, B. Craig of Radley, L. Craigavon, V. Cranborne, V. Crawley, B. Cuckney, L. Cumberlege, B. Currie of Marylebone, L. Dahrendorf, L. Darcy de Knayth, B. David, B. Davies of Coity, L. Davies of Oldham, L. Dearing, L. Deedes, L. Denham, L. Desai, L. Dholakia, L. Dixon, L. Dixon-Smith, L. Donaldson of Lymington, L. Donoughue, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Dubs, L. Durham, Bp. Eatwell, L. Eccles of Moulton, B. Eden of Winton, L. Elder, L. Elis-Thomas, L. Elles, B. Elliott of Morpeth, L. Elton, L. Emerton, B. Erroll, E. Evans of Parkside, L. Evans of Temple Guiting, L. Evans of Watford, L. Ezra, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Falkland, V. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Faulkner of Worcester, L. Fellowes, L. Ferrers, E. Filkin, L. Fitt, L. Flather, B. Fookes, B. Forsyth of Drumlean, L. Fraser of Carmyllie, L. Freyberg, L. Fyfe of Fairfield, L. Gale, B. Gardner of Parkes, B. Garel-Jones, L. Gavron, L. Geddes, L. Geraint, L. Gibson, L. Gibson of Market Rasen, B. Gladwin of Clee, L. Glenarthur, L. |
Glentoran, L. Goldsmith, L. Goodhart, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Goschen, V. Goudie, B. Gould of Potternewton, B. Grabiner, L. Gray of Contin, L. Greengross, B. Greenway, L. Gregson, L. Grenfell, L. Griffiths, L. Griffiths of Fforestfach, L. Habgood, L. Hamwee, B. Hanham, B. Hanningfield, L. Hardy of Wath, L. Harris of Haringey, L. Harris of High Cross, L. Harris of Peckham, L. Harris of Richmond, B. Harrison, L. Haskel, L. Haskins, L. Hattersley, L. Hayhoe, L. Hayman, B. Henley, L. Higgins, L. Hilton of Eggardon, B. Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L. Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Holderness, L. Hollis of Heigham, B. Holme of Cheltenham, L. Hooper, B. Hooson, L. Howe, E. Howell of Guildford, L. Howells of St. Davids, B. Howie of Troon, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Chesterton, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Hunt of Tanworth, L. Hunt of Wirral, L. Hurd of Westwell, L. Hussey of North Bradley, L. Hylton, L. Inge, L. Inglewood, L. Islwyn, L. Janner of Braunstone, L. Jauncey of Tullichettle, L. Jay of Paddington, B. Jeger, B. Jellicoe, E. Jenkin of Roding, L. Jenkins of Hillhead, L. Jenkins of Putney, L. Jopling, L. Jordan, L. Kennedy of The Shaws, B. Kimball, L. King of West Bromwich, L. Kingsland, L. Laing of Dunphail, L. |
Laird, L. Laming, L. Lamont of Lerwick, L. Lane of Horsell, L. Lang of Monkton, L. Lawson of Blaby, L. Layard, L. Lea of Crondall, L. Lester of Herne Hill, L. Levy, L. Lindsay, E. Lipsey, L. Listowel, E. Liverpool, E. Lloyd of Berwick, L. Lloyd-Webber, L. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. Longford, E. Ludford, B. Luke, L. Lyell, L. McColl of Dulwich, L. Macdonald of Tradeston, L. McFarlane of Llandaff, B. McIntosh of Haringey, L. Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L. Mackay of Clashfern, L. MacKenzie of Culkein, L. Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L. Mackie of Benshie, L. McNally, L. Maddock, B. Mallalieu, B. Mancroft, L. Mar and Kellie, E. Marlesford, L. Marsh, L. Masham of Ilton, B. Mason of Barnsley, L. Massey of Darwen, B. Mayhew of Twysden, L. Merlyn-Rees, L. Methuen, L. Mishcon, L. Mitchell, L. Molloy, L. Molyneaux of Killead, L. Monson, L. Montagu of Beaulieu, L. Montrose, D. Moore of Wolvercote, L. Moran, L. Morris of Castle Morris, L. Morris of Manchester, L. Mowbray and Stourton, L. Moynihan, L. Murton of Lindisfarne, L. Neill of Bladen, L. Nicol, B. Noakes, B. Northesk, E. Northover, B. Norton of Louth, L. ONeill of Bengarve, B. Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L. OCathain, B. Oliver of Aylmerton, L. Onslow, E. Orme, L. |
Owen, L. Oxford, Bp. Park of Monmouth, B. Patel, L. Patel of Blackburn, L. Paul, L. Pearson of Rannoch, L. Perry of Southwark, B. Perry of Walton, L. Peston, L. Peyton of Yeovil, L. Phillips of Sudbury, L. Pilkington of Oxenford, L. Plant of Highfield, L. Platt of Writtle, B. Plumb, L. Plummer of St. Marylebone, L. Powell of Bayswater, L. Prashar, B. Prior, L. Puttnam, L. Quinton, L. Quirk, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Rawlings, B. Rawlinson of Ewell, L. Razzall, L. Rea, L. Reay, L. Redesdale, L. Rees, L. Rees-Mogg, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L. Rennard, L. Renton, L. Renton of Mount Harry, L. Richard, L. Richardson of Calow, B. Rix, L. Roberts of Conwy, L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Roll of Ipsden, L. Roper, L. Rosslyn, E. Russell, E. Ryder of Wensum, L. Saatchi, L. Sainsbury of Turville, L. St. Albans, Bp. St. John of Bletso, L. St. John of Fawsley, L. Sandberg, L. Sanderson of Bowden, L. Sawyer, L. Scott of Needham Market, B. Seccombe, B. Selborne, E. Serota, B. Sharp of Guildford, B. Shaw of Northstead, L. Shepherd, L. Sheppard of Didgemere, L. Shore of Stepney, L. Simon, V. Simon of Glaisdale, L. Simon of Highbury, L. |
Skelmersdale, L. Skidelsky, L. Slim, V. Slynn of Hadley, L. Smith of Leigh, L. Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L. Southwark, Bp. Stallard, L. Steel of Aikwood, L. Stern, B. Stewartby, L. Stoddart of Swindon, L. Strabolgi, L. Strange, B. Strathclyde, L. Swinfen, L. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Tanlaw, L. Taverne, L. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Taylor of Gryfe, L. Taylor of Warwick, L. Tebbit, L. Tenby, V. Thatcher, B. Thomas of Gresford, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thomson of Monifieth, L. Thornton, B. Tombs, L. Tomlinson, L. Tordoff, L. Trumpington, B. Tugendhat, L. Turnberg, L. Turner of Camden, B. Uddin, B. Vivian, L. Waddington, L. Wade of Chorlton, L. Wakefield, Bp. Wakeham, L. Walker of Doncaster, L. Wallace of Saltaire, L. Walmsley, B. Walpole, L. Walton of Detchant, L. Warner, L. Warnock, B. Warwick of Undercliffe, B. Watson of Richmond, L. Weatherill, L. Wedderburn of Charlton, L. Weinstock, L. Whitaker, B. Wigoder, L. Wilberforce, L. Wilcox, B. Wilkins, B. Williams of Crosby, B. Williams of Elvel, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Wilson of Tillyorn, L. Winchester, Bp. Winston, L. Wolfson, L. Woolmer of Leeds, L. Wright of Richmond, L. Young, B. Young of Dartington, L. |
PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Blackburn.
Judicial Business
1. | Rocky Mountain Traders Limited (Petitioners) v. Fellowes Manufacturing (UK) Limited (Respondents) and one other actionThe petition of Rocky Mountain Traders Limited praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. |
2. | Abouzaid (Respondent) v. Mothercare UK Limited (Petitioners)The petition of Mothercare UK Limited praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. |
3. | Ketley (Petitioner) v. Gilbert (Respondent)The petition of Michael Ketley praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee. |
Papers
4. | Negative InstrumentThe following instrument was laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table: |
Education (Induction Arrangements for School Teachers) (Amendment) (England) Regulations 2001, laid under the Teaching and Higher Education Act 1998.
(103)
5. | Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedingsThe following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table: |
1. | Accounts for 19992000 of the Medical Research Council, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Science and Technology Act 1965; |
2. | Report and accounts for 19992000 of the Defence Procurement Agency, laid under the Exchequer and Audit Departments Act 1921. |
Private Business
6. | Medway Council Bill [hl]The Chairman of Committees acquainted the House that, pursuant to the resolution of Thursday 18th January, the bill had been deposited in the Office of the Clerk of the Parliaments together with the declaration of the agent; the bill was presented, read a first time, passed through all its remaining stages pro forma and sent to the Commons. |
7. | Kent County Council Bill [hl]The Chairman of Committees acquainted the House that, pursuant to the resolution of Thursday 18th January, the bill had been deposited in the Office of the Clerk of the Parliaments together with the declaration of the agent; the bill was presented, read a first time, passed through all its remaining stages pro forma and sent to the Commons. |
Public Business
8. | Human RightsIt was moved by the Chairman of Committees that the Commons message of 17th January be now considered, and that a Select Committee of six Lords be appointed to join with the Committee appointed by the Commons, |
To consider and report on:
(a) | matters relating to human rights in the United Kingdom (but excluding consideration of individual cases); |
(b) | proposals for remedial orders, draft remedial orders and remedial orders made under section 10 of and laid under Schedule 2 to the Human Rights Act 1998; and |
(c) | in respect of draft remedial orders and remedial orders, whether the special attention of the House should be drawn to them on any of the grounds specified in Standing Order 73 (Joint Committee on Statutory Instruments); |
To report to the House:
(a) | in relation to any document containing proposals laid before the House under paragraph 3 of the said Schedule 2, its recommendation whether a draft order in the same terms as the proposals should be laid before the House; or |
(b) | in relation to any draft order laid under paragraph 2 of the said Schedule 2, its recommendation whether the draft Order should be approved; |
and to have power to report to the House on any matter arising from its consideration of the said proposals or draft orders; and
To report to the House in respect of any original order laid under paragraph 4 of the said Schedule 2, its recommendation whether:
(a) | the order should be approved in the form in which it was originally laid before Parliament; or |
(b) | that the order should be replaced by a new order modifying the provisions of the original order; or |
(c) | that the order should not be approved, |
and to have power to report to the House on any matter arising from its consideration of the said order or any replacement order;
That, as proposed by the Committee of Selection, the Lords following be named of the Committee:
L. Carlisle of Bucklow L. Goldsmith L. Lester of Herne Hill | B. Perry of Southwark B. Prashar B. Whitaker; |
That the Committee have power to agree with the Commons in the appointment of a Chairman;
That the Committee have power to adjourn from place to place within the United Kingdom, and to institutions of the Council of Europe outside the United Kingdom no more than four times in any calendar year;
That the Committee have leave to report from time to time;
That the Committee have power to appoint specialist advisers;
That the minutes of evidence taken before the Committee from time to time shall, if the Committee think fit, be printed and delivered out;
And that the Committee do meet with the Committee appointed by the Commons on Wednesday 31st January at half-past five oclock in Committee Room 4B;
the motion was agreed to and it was ordered that a Message be sent to the Commons to acquaint them therewith.
9. | Criminal Defence Service (Advice and Assistance) Bill [HL]The House resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; an amendment was moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the House was resumed and the bill was reported without amendment. |
10. | Human Fertilisation and Embryology (Research Purposes) Regulations 2000It was moved by the Lord Hunt of Kings Heath, that the draft Regulations laid before the House on 12th December be approved; then it was moved by the Lord Alton of Liverpool, as an amendment thereto, to leave out all the words after That and insert this House declines to approve the draft Regulations laid before the House on 12th December until a Select Committee of the House of Lords has reported on the issues connected with human cloning and stem cell research; after debate, the amendment was disagreed to (see division list); then it was moved by the Lord Walton of Detchant, as an amendment to Lord Hunt of Kings Heaths motion, at end to insert and that this House calls on the Government to support the appointment of a Select Committee of the House to report on the issues connected with human cloning and stem cell research, and to undertake to review the Regulations following the report of that Select Committee; after debate, the amendment was agreed to; then the original motion, as amended, was agreed to. |
The House was adjourned at half-past ten oclock
till tomorrow, half-past two oclock.
DIVISION
HUMAN FERTILISATION AND EMBRYOLOGY (RESEARCH PURPOSES)
REGULATIONS 2000
It was moved by the Lord Hunt of Kings Heath that the draft Regulations laid before the House on 12th December be approved; then it was moved by the Lord Alton of Liverpool, as an amendment thereto, to leave out all the words after That and insert this House declines to approve the draft Regulations laid before the House on 12th December until a Select Committee of the House of Lords has reported on the issues connected with human cloning and stem cell research; which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:
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Not-Contents.............212
CONTENTS
Ahmed, L. Allenby of Megiddo, V. Alton of Liverpool, L. Anelay of St Johns, B. Baldwin of Bewdley, E. Beaumont of Whitley, L. Bell, L. |
Biffen, L. Blatch, B. Blease, L. Boardman, L. Brennan, L. Brougham and Vaux, L. Byford, B. Clarke of Hampstead, L. |
Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Cope of Berkeley, L. Cox, B. [Teller] Craig of Radley, L. Cranborne, V. Cumberlege, B. Deedes, L. Denham, L. Dixon, L. |
Eccles of Moulton, B. Eden of Winton, L. Elles, B. Elton, L. Fitt, L. Fookes, B. Gardner of Parkes, B. Geddes, L. Griffiths of Fforestfach, L. Habgood, L. Hanham, B. Harris of High Cross, L. Hayhoe, L. Henley, L. Higgins, L. Hooper, B. Hunt of Tanworth, L. Hurd of Westwell, L. Hussey of North Bradley, L. Hylton, L. [Teller] Laing of Dunphail, L. Lang of Monkton, L. |
Liverpool, E. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. Longford, E. Lyell, L. McColl of Dulwich, L. Mackay of Clashfern, L. Mancroft, L. Marlesford, L. Masham of Ilton, B. Mayhew of Twysden, L. Montrose, D. Mowbray and Stourton, L. Murton of Lindisfarne, L. Northesk, E. OCathain, B. Park of Monmouth, B. Pearson of Rannoch, L. Phillips of Sudbury, L. Pilkington of Oxenford, L. Platt of Writtle, B. Quinton, L. Rawlinson of Ewell, L. |
Rees, L. Rees-Mogg, L. St Albans, Bp. St John of Fawsley, L. Seccombe, B. Sheppard of Didgemere, L. Skelmersdale, L. Slim, V. Stewartby, L. Stoddart of Swindon, L. Strange, B. Strathclyde, L. Taylor of Warwick, L. Tebbit, L. Tenby, V. Thatcher, B. Tombs, L. Vivian, L. Waddington, L. Wakeham, L. Weatherill, L. Williams of Crosby, B. Winchester, Bp. Young, B. |
NOT-CONTENTS
Ackner, L. Acton, L. Addington, L. Alexander of Weedon, L. Alli, L. Amos, B. Ampthill, L. Andrews, B. Archer of Sandwell, L. Ashton of Upholland, B. Attlee, E. Avebury, L. Baker of Dorking, L. Barker, B. Barnett, L. Bassam of Brighton, L. Berkeley, L. Bernstein of Craigweil, L. Billingham, B. Blackstone, B. Blaker, L. Boothroyd, B. Borrie, L. Bowness, L. Brabazon of Tara, L. Bradshaw, L. Bragg, L. Briggs, L. Brittan of Spennithorne, L. Brookeborough, V. Brookman, L. Burlison, L. Burnham, L. Burns, L. Buscombe, B. Butler of Brockwell, L. Carlile of Berriew, L. Carlisle of Bucklow, L. Carter, L. Castle of Blackburn, B. Chalfont, L. Chandos, V. Clement-Jones, L. |
Cobbold, L. Cohen of Pimlico, B. Colwyn, L. Craigavon, V. Crawley, B. Currie of Marylebone, L. Dahrendorf, L. Darcy de Knayth, B. David, B. Davies of Coity, L. Davies of Oldham, L. Desai, L. Dholakia, L. Dixon-Smith, L. Dubs, L. [Teller] Eatwell, L. Elder, L. Evans of Parkside, L. Evans of Watford, L. Ezra, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Falkland, V. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Faulkner of Worcester, L. Fellowes, L. Filkin, L. Flather, B. Forsyth of Drumlean, L. Gale, B. Gavron, L. Geraint, L. Gibson of Market Rasen, B. Goldsmith, L. Goodhart, L. Gould of Potternewton, B. Grabiner, L. Greengross, B. Grenfell, L. Hamwee, B. Hardy of Wath, L. Harris of Haringey, L. Harris of Peckham, L. Harris of Richmond, B. Haskins, L. |
Hattersley, L. Hayman, B. Hilton of Eggardon, B. Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L. Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Hollis of Heigham, B. Holme of Cheltenham, L. Hooson, L. Howell of Guildford, L. Howells of St. Davids, B. Howie of Troon, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Chesterton, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Hunt of Wirral, L. Inge, L. Inglewood, L. Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor) Islwyn, L. Janner of Braunstone, L. Jay of Paddington, B. (Lord Privy Seal) Jeger, B. Jellicoe, E. Jenkin of Roding, L. Jopling, L. Jordan, L. Kennedy of The Shaws, B. Laird, L. Lamont of Lerwick, L. Lawson of Blaby, L. Layard, L. Lea of Crondall, L. Lester of Herne Hill, L. Lipsey, L. Listowel, E. Lloyd-Webber, L. Ludford, B. Luke, L. Macdonald of Tradeston, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. MacKenzie of Culkein, L. Mackie of Benshie, L. McNally, L. |
Maddock, B. Mallalieu, B. Mar and Kellie, E. Marsh, L. Massey of Darwen, B. Merlyn-Rees, L. Mitchell, L. Morris of Castle Morris, L. Moynihan, L. Neill of Bladen, L. Nicol, B. Noakes, B. Northover, B. [Teller] Norton of Louth, L. ONeill of Bengarve, B. Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L. Onslow, E. Owen, L. Patel, L. Perry of Southwark, B. Peston, L. Peyton of Yeovil, L. Plant of Highfield, L. Plumb, L. Powell of Bayswater, L. Prior, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. |
Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Rea, L. Reay, L. Redesdale, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Rennard, L. Richard, L. Richardson of Calow, B. Rix, L. Roberts of Conwy, L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Roll of Ipsden, L. Roper, L. Russell, E. Sainsbury of Turville, L. St. John of Bletso, L. Scott of Needham Market, B. Selborne, E. Sharp of Guildford, B. Shaw of Northstead, L. Simon, V. Simon of Highbury, L. Smith of Leigh, L. Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L. Stern, B. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Tanlaw, L. |
Taverne, L. Taylor of Gryfe, L. Thomas of Gresford, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thomson of Monifieth, L. Thornton, B. Tomlinson, L. Tugendhat, L. Turnberg, L. Turner of Camden, B. Wade of Chorlton, L. Wallace of Saltaire, L. Walmsley, B. Walpole, L. Walton of Detchant, L. Warnock, B. Warwick of Undercliffe, B. Wedderburn of Charlton, L. Whitaker, B. Wigoder, L. Wilberforce, L. Wilkins, B. Williams of Elvel, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Wilson of Tillyorn, L. Winston, L. Wolfson, L. Woolmer of Leeds, L. |