House of Lords Journal 234 (Session 2000-01)

Previous Next Tuesday 30 January 2001 The House met at half-past two o’clock. The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present: Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor) Aberdare, L. Ackner, L. Acton, L. Addington, L. Ahmed, L. Allenby of Megiddo, V. Alli, L. Alton of Liverpool, L. Amos, B. Ampthill, L. Andrews, B. Anelay of St Johns, B. Archer of Sandwell, L. Ashcroft, L. Astor, V. Astor of Hever, L. Attlee, E. Avebury, L. Bach, L. Barker, B. Barnett, L. Bassam of Brighton, L. Beaumont of Whitley, L. Bellwin, L. Berkeley, L. Biffen, L. Billingham, B. Blackburn, Bp. Blackstone, B. Blaker, L. Blatch, B. Blood, B. Boardman, L. Boothroyd, B. Borrie, L. Boston of Faversham, L. Brabazon of Tara, L. Bragg, L. Brennan, L. Bridgeman, V. Brightman, L. Brooke of Alverthorpe, L. Brookman, L. Brooks of Tremorfa, L. Brougham and Vaux, L. Bruce of Donington, L. Burlison, L. Burnham, L. Burns, L. Butterworth, L. Byford, B. Caithness, E. Campbell of Alloway, L. Campbell of Croy, L. Carnarvon, E. Carr of Hadley, L. Carter, L. Chadlington, L. Chalfont, L. Christopher, L. Clarke of Hampstead, L. Clement-Jones, L. Clinton-Davis, L. Cockfield, L. Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Cohen of Pimlico, B. Colwyn, L. Cope of Berkeley, L. Courtown, E. Craig of Radley, L. Craigavon, V. Cranborne, V. Crathorne, L. Crawley, B. Crickhowell, L. Darcy de Knayth, B. David, B. Davies of Coity, L. Davies of Oldham, L. Dean of Harptree, L. Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B. Denham, L. Desai, L. Dholakia, L. Dixon, L. Dixon-Smith, L. Donoughue, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Dubs, L. Dundee, E. Eatwell, L. Eden of Winton, L. Elder, L. Elliott of Morpeth, L. Elton, L. Emerton, B. Erroll, E. Evans of Parkside, L. Evans of Temple Guiting, L. Evans of Watford, L. Ezra, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Falkland, V. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Faulkner of Worcester, L. Filkin, L. Fitt, L. Flather, B. Page 91 2000-01 Volume 234       Flowers, L. Fookes, B. Freyberg, L. Fyfe of Fairfield, L. Gale, B. Gardner of Parkes, B. Garel-Jones, L. Geddes, L. Geraint, L. Gibson of Market Rasen, B. Gilbert, L. Gilmour of Craigmillar, L. Glenarthur, L. Glentoran, L. Goldsmith, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Goschen, V. Gould of Potternewton, B. Grabiner, L. Graham of Edmonton, L. Gray of Contin, L. Greaves, L. Greengross, B. Greenway, L. Gregson, L. Griffiths of Fforestfach, L. Hamwee, B. Hanningfield, L. Hardy of Wath, L. Harris of Greenwich, L. Harris of Haringey, L. Harris of High Cross, L. Harris of Richmond, B. Haskel, L. Haslam, L. Hayhoe, L. Hayman, B. Henley, L. Higgins, L. Hilton of Eggardon, B. Hogg, B. Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Hollis of Heigham, B. Hooper, B. Hooson, L. Howe, E. Howell of Guildford, L. Howells of St. Davids, B. Howie of Troon, L. Hoyle, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Chesterton, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Hunt of Wirral, L. Hylton, L. Inge, L. Islwyn, L. Janner of Braunstone, L. Jay of Paddington, B. Jeger, B. Jellicoe, E. Jenkins of Hillhead, L. Jenkins of Putney, L. Jopling, L. Judd, L. Kennedy of The Shaws, B. Kimball, L. King of West Bromwich, L. Kingsland, L. Kirkhill, L. Knight of Collingtree, B. Laing of Dunphail, L. Laird, L. Laming, L. Lane of Horsell, L. Lang of Monkton, L. Lawson of Blaby, L. Lester of Herne Hill, L. Lincoln, Bp. Lindsay, E. Linklater of Butterstone, B. Lipsey, L. Liverpool, E. Lockwood, B. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. Longford, E. Lucas, L. Luke, L. Lyell, L. McColl of Dulwich, L. Macdonald of Tradeston, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. McIntosh of Hudnall, B. Mackay of Ardbrecknish, L. MacKenzie of Culkein, L. Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L. Mackie of Benshie, L. McNally, L. Maddock, B. Mallalieu, B. Mancroft, L. Mar and Kellie, E. Marlesford, L. Marsh, L. Mason of Barnsley, L. Massey of Darwen, B. Mayhew of Twysden, L. Merlyn-Rees, L. Methuen, L. Mishcon, L. Mitchell, L. Molloy, L. Molyneaux of Killead, L. Monson, L. Montagu of Beaulieu, L. Montrose, D. Moore of Wolvercote, L. Moran, L. Morgan, L. Morris of Castle Morris, L. Morris of Manchester, L. Mowbray and Stourton, L. Moynihan, L. Murton of Lindisfarne, L. Naseby, L. Newby, L. Newton of Braintree, L. Nicol, B. Noakes, B. Northbourne, L. Northbrook, L. Northesk, E. Northover, B. Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L. O’Neill of Bengarve, B. Orme, L. Oxford, Bp. Oxfuird, V. Palmer, L. Parekh, L. Park of Monmouth, B. Patel, L. Patel of Blackburn, L. Patten, L. Pearson of Rannoch, L. Peel, E. Peston, L. Phillips of Sudbury, L. Pilkington of Oxenford, L. Plant of Highfield, L. Plumb, L. Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L. Prior, L. Prys-Davies, L. Quirk, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Rawlinson of Ewell, L. Razzall, L. Rea, L. Reay, L. Redesdale, L. Rees, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L. Rennard, L. Renton, L. Renton of Mount Harry, L. Renwick of Clifton, L. Richard, L. Rix, L. Roberts of Conwy, L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Roll of Ipsden, L. Rotherwick, L. Russell, E. Ryder of Wensum, L. Sainsbury of Turville, L. St. John of Bletso, L. St. John of Fawsley, L. Sandberg, L. Sandwich, E. Sawyer, L. Scott of Needham Market, B. Seccombe, B. Selsdon, L. Serota, B. Sewel, L. Sharp of Guildford, B. Sharples, B. Shaw of Northstead, L. Shepherd, L. Shore of Stepney, L. Shutt of Greetland, L. Simon, V. Simon of Glaisdale, L. Skelmersdale, L. Skidelsky, L. Slim, V. Smith of Gilmorehill, B. Smith of Leigh, L. Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L. Southwark, Bp. Stallard, L. Stern, B. Stewartby, L. Stodart of Leaston, L. Page 92 2000-01 Volume 234 Back to top Stoddart of Swindon, L. Stone of Blackheath, L. Strange, B. Strathclyde, L. Swinfen, L. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Tanlaw, L. Taverne, L. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Tenby, V. Thomas of Gresford, L. Thomas of Gwydir, L. Thomas of Swynnerton, L. Thomson of Monifieth, L. Thornton, B. Tordoff, L. Trumpington, B. Turnberg, L. Uddin, B. Varley, L. Vivian, L. Waddington, L. Walker of Doncaster, L. Wallace of Saltaire, L. Walmsley, B. Walton of Detchant, L. Warner, L. Warwick of Undercliffe, B. Watson of Richmond, L. Weatherill, L. Whitaker, B. Whitty, L. Wigoder, L. Wilberforce, L. Wilcox, B. Wilkins, B. Williams of Crosby, B. Williams of Elvel, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Wilson of Tillyorn, L. Woolmer of Leeds, L. Wright of Richmond, L. Young, B. PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Southwark. Judicial Business 1. Dubai Aluminium Company Limited v. Salaam (Respondent) and others (Appellants) and others and others (Respondents)—The petition of the appellants praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 14th March next (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed. 2. Regina v. Bossino (Petitioner)—It was ordered that the petition presented on 26th October last be withdrawn. 3. Appeal Committee—The 9th Report from the Appeal Committee was agreed to and the following Orders were made— Cross (AP) (Petitioner) v. Kirkby (Respondent)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the costs of the petitioner be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988; and that the respondent be at liberty to apply for his costs in accordance with direction 5.1(c) and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties. Walker and others (Petitioners) v. Stones and another and others (Respondents)—That the respondents be invited to lodge objections by 13th February next. Walker and others (Respondents) v. Stones (Petitioner) and others—That the respondents be invited to lodge objections by 13th February next. Standard Chartered Bank (Petitioners) v. Pakistan National Shipping Corporation and others and another (Respondent) and others—That the petition be referred for hearing. Standard Chartered Bank (Respondents) v. Pakistan National Shipping Corporation (Petitioners) and others—That the petition be referred for hearing. Hastings (AP) (Petitioner) v. Lambert (Respondent)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the costs of the petitioner be taxed in accordance with the Legal Aid Act 1988; and that the respondent be at liberty to apply for his costs in accordance with direction 5.1(c) and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties. Regina v. Saunders (Petitioner)—That leave to appeal be refused. Regina v. Okwuegbunam (Petitioner)—That leave to appeal be refused. Regina v. McGilliard (Petitioner)—That leave to appeal be refused. Papers 4. Command Paper—The following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table: Alder Hey—Report of the Royal Liverpool Children’s Inquiry. (—) Select Committee Report 5. Statutory Instruments—The 5th Report from the Joint Committee was made on certain statutory instruments, including the following affirmative instruments:   Draft Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000 (Disapplication of Part IV for Northern Ireland Parties, etc.) Order 2001; Page 93 2000-01 Volume 234 Back to top   Draft Terrorism Act 2000 (Carding) Order 2001; it was ordered that the Report be printed. (HL Paper 25) Public Business 6. Commonhold and Leasehold Reform Bill [HL]—The order of commitment of 29th January was discharged and the bill was committed to a Grand Committee. 7. Private Security Industry Bill [HL]—The House resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; the House was resumed for a statement; the House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; an amendment was negatived; an amendment was disagreed to (see division list); the House was resumed. 8. Olympics—The Lord Brougham and Vaux asked Her Majesty’s Government what plans they have to ensure sufficient financial support for British competitors at the next Olympics; after debate, the question was answered by the Lord McIntosh of Haringey. 9. Private Security Industry Bill [HL]—The House again resolved itself into a Committee upon the bill; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; amendments were agreed to; the House was resumed and the bill was reported with amendments; it was ordered that the bill be printed as amended. (HL Bill 14) The House was adjourned at one minute before eleven o’clock till tomorrow, two o’clock for judicial business, half-past two o’clock for public business. DIVISION PRIVATE SECURITY INDUSTRY BILL It was moved by the Lord Cope of Berkeley, in Clause 4, page 4, line 47, at end to insert: (“(6) A person may apply, on notice to the Security Industry Authority, to the magistrates’ court having jurisdiction over the area affected by the designated activities, for an exemption from the requirements to apply for a licence and the Lord Chancellor may make an order as to the procedure to be followed on such an application, including on urgent applications; and the test to be applied by the court is the same as that which would have been applied had an application been made to the Security Industry Authority. (7) A licence under subsection (6) shall not be granted for a period exceeding one month and shall not be renewable.”); which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the Committee divided: Contents.............88 Not-Contents.............98 CONTENTS Addington, L. Alton of Liverpool, L. Astor, V. Astor of Hever, L. Attlee, E. Barker, B. Beaumont of Whitley, L. Blaker, L. Blatch, B. Boardman, L. Bridgeman, V. Brougham and Vaux, L. Burnham, L. [Teller] Byford, B. Campbell of Croy, L. Chadlington, L. Colwyn, L. Cope of Berkeley, L. Crickhowell, L. Dean of Harptree, L. Dholakia, L. Dixon-Smith, L. Elliott of Morpeth, L. Elton, L. Flather, B. Fookes, B. Gardner of Parkes, B. Garel-Jones, L. Glentoran, L. Goschen, V. Greaves, L. Harris of Richmond, B. Haslam, L. Henley, L. [Teller] Higgins, L. Hooper, B. Howe, E. Howell of Guildford, L. Jopling, L. Kimball, L. Kingsland, L. Knight of Collingtree, B. Liverpool, E. Lucas, L. Luke, L. Lyell, L. Maddock, B. Mancroft, L. Mar and Kellie, E. Marlesford, L. Molyneaux of Killead, L. Montrose, D. Moynihan, L. Newby, L. Northbrook, L. Northesk, E. Park of Monmouth, B. Peel, E. Phillips of Sudbury, L. Plumb, L. Reay, L. Rees, L. Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L. Renton, L. Roberts of Conwy, L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Rotherwick, L. Russell, E. Sandberg, L. Page 94 2000-01 Volume 234 Back to top Scott of Needham Market, B. Seccombe, B. Sharp of Guildford, B. Shaw of Northstead, L. Shutt of Greetland, L. Skelmersdale, L. Stodart of Leaston, L. Strathclyde, L. Swinfen, L. Taverne, L. Thomas of Gresford, L. Thomas of Gwydir, L. Thomas of Swynnerton, L. Tordoff, L. Waddington, L. Wallace of Saltaire, L. Walmsley, B. Williams of Crosby, B. Young, B. NOT-CONTENTS Acton, L. Ahmed, L. Allenby of Megiddo, V. Alli, L. Amos, B. Andrews, B. Archer of Sandwell, L. Bach, L. Barnett, L. Bassam of Brighton, L. Berkeley, L. Billingham, B. Blackstone, B. Borrie, L. Bragg, L. Brookman, L. Brooks of Tremorfa, L. Burlison, L. Carter, L. [Teller] Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Crawley, B. David, B. Davies of Coity, L. Davies of Oldham, L. Dixon, L. Dubs, L. Elder, L. Evans of Parkside, L. Evans of Temple Guiting, L. Evans of Watford, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Filkin, L. Fyfe of Fairfield, L. Gale, B. Gibson of Market Rasen, B. Goldsmith, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Graham of Edmonton, L. Hardy of Wath, L. Harris of Haringey, L. Hayman, B. Hollis of Heigham, B. Howells of St. Davids, B. Howie of Troon, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Chesterton, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor) Islwyn, L. Jay of Paddington, B. (Lord Privy Seal) Jeger, B. Jenkins of Putney, L. Judd, L. Kennedy of The Shaws, B. Kirkhill, L. Lipsey, L. Lockwood, B. Macdonald of Tradeston, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller] McIntosh of Hudnall, B. MacKenzie of Culkein, L. Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L. Mallalieu, B. Marsh, L. Mason of Barnsley, L. Massey of Darwen, B. Merlyn-Rees, L. Molloy, L. Morris of Manchester, L. Nicol, B. Orme, L. Palmer, L. Patel of Blackburn, L. Plant of Highfield, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Rea, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Sewel, L. Shepherd, L. Simon, V. Smith of Gilmorehill, B. Smith of Leigh, L. Stoddart of Swindon, L. Stone of Blackheath, L. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Turnberg, L. Uddin, B. Walker of Doncaster, L. Warwick of Undercliffe, B. Weatherill, L. Whitaker, B. Whitty, L. Wilkins, B. Williams of Mostyn, L. Woolmer of Leeds, L. APPENDIX PROCEEDINGS OF THE GRAND COMMITTEE (IN THE MOSES ROOM) The Committee met at half-past three o’clock. Special Educational Needs and Disability Bill [HL]—The bill was further considered in a Grand Committee; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; an amendment was agreed to; the Committee was adjourned after clause 9 stood apart. The Committee was adjourned at one minute past eight o’clock until Tuesday 6th February athalf-past three o’clock.