House of Lords Journal 234 (Session 2000-01) |
Lords Journals Contents Index Minutes and Order Papers |
Tuesday 13 March 2001 The House met at half-past two oclock. The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present: Irvine of Lairg, L.
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Brooke of Alverthorpe, L. Brookeborough, V. Brookman, L. Brooks of Tremorfa, L. Brougham and Vaux, L. Bruce of Donington, L. Burlison, L. Burns, L. Buscombe, B. Butler of Brockwell, L. Byford, B. Caithness, E. Campbell of Alloway, L. Campbell of Croy, L. Carlisle of Bucklow, L. Carnarvon, E. Carnegy of Lour, B. Carr of Hadley, L. Carrington, L. Carter, L. Cavendish of Furness, L. Chadlington, L. Chalfont, L. Chalker of Wallasey, B. Chandos, V. Clark of Kempston, L. Clarke of Hampstead, L. Clement-Jones, L. Clinton-Davis, L. Cobbold, L. Cockfield, L. Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Coe, L. Cohen of Pimlico, B. Colwyn, L. Cooke of Thorndon, L. Cope of Berkeley, L. Courtown, E. Craig of Radley, L. Craigavon, V. Crathorne, L. Crawley, B. Crickhowell, L. Cuckney, L. Cumberlege, B. Dahrendorf, L. Darcy de Knayth, B. Davies of Coity, L. Davies of Oldham, L. Dean of Harptree, L. Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B. Denham, L. Derby, Bp. Desai, L. Dholakia, L. Dixon, L. Dixon-Smith, L. Donaldson of Lymington, L. Donoughue, L. Dubs, L. Dundee, E. Durham, Bp. Eatwell, L. Eccles of Moulton, B. Eden of Winton, L. Elder, L. Elles, B. Elliott of Morpeth, L. Elton, L. |
Erroll, E. Evans of Parkside, L. Evans of Temple Guiting, L. Evans of Watford, L. Ezra, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Falkland, V. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Faulkner of Worcester, L. Feldman, L. Fellowes, L. Ferrers, E. Filkin, L. Fitt, L. Flather, B. Flowers, L. Fookes, B. Forsyth of Drumlean, L. Fraser of Carmyllie, L. Freeman, L. Freyberg, L. Fyfe of Fairfield, L. Gale, B. Gardner of Parkes, B. Garel-Jones, L. Geddes, L. Geraint, L. Gibson, L. Gibson of Market Rasen, B. Gilbert, L. Gilmour of Craigmillar, L. Gladwin of Clee, L. Glentoran, L. Goodhart, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Goschen, V. Goudie, B. Gould of Potternewton, B. Graham of Edmonton, L. Gray of Contin, L. Greengross, B. Greenway, L. Gregson, L. Grenfell, L. Griffiths of Fforestfach, L. Hambro, L. Hamwee, B. Hanham, B. Hanningfield, L. Hardy of Wath, L. Harris of Greenwich, L. Harris of Haringey, L. Harris of Richmond, B. Harrison, L. Haskel, L. Hayhoe, L. Hayman, B. Healey, L. Henley, L. Hereford, Bp. Higgins, L. Hilton of Eggardon, B. Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L. Hogg, B. Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Holderness, L. Hollick, L. Hollis of Heigham, B. |
Holme of Cheltenham, L. Home, E. Hooper, B. Hooson, L. Howe, E. Howe of Aberavon, L. Howell of Guildford, L. Howells of St. Davids, B. Howie of Troon, L. Hoyle, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Hunt of Wirral, L. Hurd of Westwell, L. Hussey of North Bradley, L. Hutchinson of Lullington, L. Hylton, L. Inglewood, L. Islwyn, L. Jacobs, L. James of Holland Park, B. Janner of Braunstone, L. Jay of Paddington, B. Jeger, B. Jellicoe, E. Jenkin of Roding, L. Johnston of Rockport, L. Jopling, L. Judd, L. Kelvedon, L. Kimball, L. King of West Bromwich, L. Kingsland, L. Kirkham, L. Kirkhill, L. Knight of Collingtree, B. Laing of Dunphail, L. Laird, L. Lamont of Lerwick, L. Lane, L. Lane of Horsell, L. Lang of Monkton, L. Lawson of Blaby, L. Layard, L. Lea of Crondall, L. Lester of Herne Hill, L. Lindsay, E. Linklater of Butterstone, B. Lipsey, L. Listowel, E. Liverpool, E. Lloyd-Webber, L. Lockwood, B. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. Longford, E. Lucas, L. Luke, L. Lyell, L. McCarthy, L. McColl of Dulwich, L. Macdonald of Tradeston, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. Mackay of Clashfern, L. MacKenzie of Culkein, L. Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L. Mackie of Benshie, L. MacLaurin of Knebworth, L. McNally, L. Maddock, B. Mallalieu, B. |
Manchester, Bp. Mar, C. Marlesford, L. Marsh, L. Masham of Ilton, B. Mason of Barnsley, L. Mayhew of Twysden, L. Merlyn-Rees, L. Methuen, L. Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B. Miller of Hendon, B. Mishcon, L. Mitchell, L. Molloy, L. Molyneaux of Killead, L. Monro of Langholm, L. Monson, L. Montagu of Beaulieu, L. Montrose, D. Moore of Wolvercote, L. Moran, L. Morris of Castle Morris, L. Morris of Manchester, L. Mowbray and Stourton, L. Moynihan, L. Murton of Lindisfarne, L. Naseby, L. Newby, L. Newton of Braintree, L. Nicol, B. Northbrook, L. Northesk, E. Northover, B. Norton of Louth, L. Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L. OCathain, B. Oliver of Aylmerton, L. Onslow, E. Orme, L. Oxburgh, L. Oxfuird, V. Palmer, L. Palumbo, L. Parekh, L. Park of Monmouth, B. Patten, L. Paul, L. Pearson of Rannoch, L. Peel, E. Perry of Walton, L. Peston, L. Peyton of Yeovil, L. Phillips of Sudbury, L. Pilkington of Oxenford, L. Plant of Highfield, L. Platt of Writtle, B. Plumb, L. Plummer of St. Marylebone, L. Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L. Portsmouth, Bp. Powell of Bayswater, L. Prys-Davies, L. Puttnam, L. |
Quinton, L. Quirk, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Rawlings, B. Razzall, L. Rea, L. Reay, L. Redesdale, L. Rees, L. Rees-Mogg, L. Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L. Rennard, L. Renton, L. Renton of Mount Harry, L. Richard, L. Richardson of Duntisbourne, L. Rix, L. Roberts of Conwy, L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Rogan, L. Roll of Ipsden, L. Roper, L. Rotherwick, L. Russell, E. Ryder of Wensum, L. Saatchi, L. Sainsbury of Preston Candover, L. Sainsbury of Turville, L. St. Albans, Bp. St. John of Bletso, L. St. John of Fawsley, L. Salisbury, Bp. Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly. Sanderson of Bowden, L. Sandwich, E. Sawyer, L. Scott of Foscote, L. Scott of Needham Market, B. Seccombe, B. Selborne, E. Selsdon, L. Serota, B. Sharp of Guildford, B. Sharples, B. Shaw of Northstead, L. Shepherd, L. Shore of Stepney, L. Shrewsbury, E. Shutt of Greetland, L. Simon, V. Simon of Glaisdale, L. Skelmersdale, L. Slim, V. Smith of Clifton, L. Smith of Gilmorehill, B. Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L. Southwark, Bp. Stallard, L. Sterling of Plaistow, L. Stern, B. Stevens of Ludgate, L. |
Stewartby, L. Stodart of Leaston, L. Stoddart of Swindon, L. Strabolgi, L. Strange, B. Strathclyde, L. Swinfen, L. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Tanlaw, L. Taverne, L. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Taylor of Warwick, L. Tebbit, L. Tenby, V. Thatcher, B. Thomas of Gresford, L. Thomas of Gwydir, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thomson of Monifieth, L. Thornton, B. Tomlinson, L. Tope, L. Tordoff, L. Trefgarne, L. Trumpington, B. Tugendhat, L. Turnberg, L. Turner of Camden, B. Uddin, B. Varley, L. Vinson, L. Vivian, L. Waddington, L. Wade of Chorlton, L. Wakeham, L. Walker of Doncaster, L. Walker of Worcester, L. Wallace of Saltaire, L. Walmsley, B. Walpole, L. Walton of Detchant, L. Warner, L. Warnock, B. Watson of Richmond, L. Weatherill, L. Whitaker, B. Whitty, L. Wigoder, L. Wilberforce, L. Wilcox, B. Wilkins, B. Williams of Crosby, B. Williams of Elvel, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Williamson of Horton, L. Willoughby de Broke, L. Wilson of Tillyorn, L. Winchester, Bp. Windlesham, L. Winston, L. Wolfson of Sunningdale, L. Woolmer of Leeds, L. Wright of Richmond, L. Young, B. |
PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Hereford.
Judicial Business
1. | Farley (Appellant) v. Skinner (Respondent)The appeal was set down for hearing and referred to an Appellate Committee. |
2. | Appeal CommitteeThe 33rd Report from the Appeal Committee was agreed to and the following Order was made |
Odyssey RE (London) Limited and others (Respondents) v. OIC Run-off Limited (formerly The Orion Insurance Company plc) (Appellants)That the petition of the appellants praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 20th April next be allowed.
Papers
3. | Command PaperThe following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table: |
Electoral FraudCombating Electoral Fraud in Northern Ireland.
(5080)
4. | Affirmative InstrumentThe following instrument was laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table: |
Draft Local Authorities (Conduct of Referendums) (England) Regulations 2001.
5. | Negative InstrumentsThe following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table: |
1. | Social Security (Crediting and Treatment of Contributions, and National Insurance Numbers) Regulations 2001, laid under the Social Security Contributions and Benefits Act 1992; |
(769) |
2. (i) | Road Traffic (Owner Liability) (Amendment) Regulations 2001 | (925) |
(ii) | Fixed Penalty (Procedure) (Amendment) Regulations 2001 | (926) |
laid under the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988; |
3. | Buying Agency Trading Fund (Amendment) (Change of Name) Order 2001, laid under the Government Trading Funds Act 1973. |
(922) |
Select Committee Report
6. | Statutory InstrumentsThe 10th Report from the Joint Committee was made on certain statutory instruments, including the following affirmative instruments: |
Draft Climate Change Agreements (Energy-intensive Installations) Regulations 2001; |
Draft Climate Change Levy (Combined Heat and Power Stations) Prescribed Conditions and Efficiency Percentages Regulations 2001; |
Draft Climate Change Levy (Electricity and Gas) Regulations 2001; |
Draft Climate Change Levy (Solid Fuel) Regulations 2001; |
Draft Climate Change Levy (Use as Fuel) Regulations 2001; |
Draft Channel Tunnel (International Arrangements) (Amendment No. 3) Order 2001; |
Draft Jobseekers Allowance (Amendment) Regulations 2001; |
Draft Financial Services and Markets Act 2000 (Financial Promotion) Order 2001; |
Draft Financial Services and Markets Act 2000 (Exemption) Order 2001; |
Draft Financial Services and Markets Act 2000 (Designated Professional Bodies) Order 2001; |
Draft Financial Services and Markets Act 2000 (Professions) (Non-Exempt Activities) Order 2001; |
Draft Open-Ended Investment Companies Regulations 2001; |
Draft Financial Services and Markets Act 2000 (Carrying on Regulated Activities by Way of Business) Order 2001; |
Draft Social Security (Reduced Rates of Class 1 Contributions) (Salary Related Contracted-out Schemes) Order 2001; |
Draft Social Security (Reduced Rates of Class 1 Contributions, and Rebates) (Money Purchase Contracted-out Schemes) Order 2001; |
Draft Social Security (Minimum Contributions to Appropriate Personal Pension Schemes) Order 2001; |
Draft Greater London Road Traffic (Various Provisions) Order 2001; |
Draft New Opportunities Fund (Specification of Initiatives) Order 2001; |
Draft Northern Ireland Act 1998 (Designation of Public Authorities) Order 2001; |
Draft Postal Services Act 2000 (Consequential Modifications No. 1) Order 2001; |
Draft Postal Services Act 2000 (Determination of Turnover for Penalties) Order 2001; |
Draft Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974 (Exceptions) (Amendment) Order 2001; |
Draft Scotland Act 1998 (Consequential Modifications) Order 2001; |
Draft Scotland Act 1998 (Modification of Schedule 5) Order 2001; |
Draft Weights and Measures (Intoxicating Liquor) (Amendment) Order 2001; |
it was ordered that the Report be printed. (HL Paper 48)
Public Business
7. | Hunting BillIt was moved by the Lord Carter, on behalf of the Lord Falconer of Thoroton, that it be an instruction to the Committee of the Whole House to whom the Hunting Bill has been committed that, notwithstanding the normal practice of the House in Committee, no amendments be considered except any amendments to |
leave out clause 1 (Hunting with dogs: prohibition) |
leave out clause 1 and insert a new clause (Hunting with dogs: supervision) as set out in House of Commons Bill 2, or |
leave out clause 1 and insert a new clause (Hunting with dogs: regulation) as set out in House of Commons Bill 2, |
and consequential amendments to leave out the Schedule and to insert new Schedules; and that, thereafter, the bill be re-committed to a Committee of the Whole House; then it was moved by the Lord Denham that the House do proceed to the next business; after debate, the next business motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn; then the original motion was agreed to (see division list).
8. | Animals in scientific proceduresIt was moved by the Lord Tordoff that a Select Committee be appointed to consider and report on issues respecting animals in scientific procedures in the United Kingdom, including |
(1) | the working of the Animals (Scientific Procedures) Act 1986; |
(2) | the effectiveness of and justification for animal experiments, particularly in: |
(i) | medicine |
(ii) | education |
(iii) | defence |
(iv) | product testing; and |
(3) | the development and use of alternatives to animal procedures; |
and in all the foregoing considerations to pay regard to:
| public attitudes, availability of information, labelling and consumer issues; |
| developments in biotechnology, and the likely future demand for animal procedures; |
| the effect of any changes on the economy and the science base; |
| EU and international law and practice; |
That, as proposed by the Committee of Selection, the following Lords be named of the Committee:
L. Brennan L. Hunt of Chesterton L. Lucas B. Nicol E. Onslow | B. Richardson of Calow L. Smith of Clifton (Chairman) L. Taverne B. Warnock B. Wilcox; |
That the Committee have power to appoint specialist advisers;
That the Committee have power to adjourn from place to place;
the motion was agreed to.
9. | Foot-and-mouth diseaseIt was moved by the Baroness Hayman that this House takes note of the current situation in the countryside, in particular in relation to the outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease; after debate, the motion was agreed to. |
The House was adjourned at four minutes before one oclock
in the morning of Wednesday 14th March
till later the same day, half-past two oclock in the afternoon.
DIVISION
HUNTING BILL
It was moved by the Lord Carter, That it be an instruction to the Committee of the Whole House to whom the Hunting Bill has been committed that, notwithstanding the normal practice of the House in Committee, no amendments be considered except any amendments to
leave out clause 1 (Hunting with dogs: prohibition)
leave out clause 1 and insert a new clause (Hunting with dogs: supervision) as set out in House of Commons Bill 2, or
leave out clause 1 and insert a new clause (Hunting with dogs: regulation) as set out in House of Commons Bill 2,
and consequential amendments to leave out the Schedule and to insert new Schedules; and that, thereafter, the bill be re-committed to a Committee of the Whole House;
which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided:
Contents.............183
Not-Contents.............129
CONTENTS
Ackner, L. Acton, L. Addington, L. Ahmed, L. Allenby of Megiddo, V. Alli, L. Amos, B. Andrews, B. Archer of Sandwell, L. Avebury, L. Bach, L. Barnett, L. Beaumont of Whitley, L. Berkeley, L. Billingham, B. Birt, L. Blackstone, B. Blease, L. Bledisloe, V. Borrie, L. Boston of Faversham, L. Bragg, L. Bramall, L. Brennan, L. Brooke of Alverthorpe, L. Brookman, L. Burlison, L. Burns, L. Carnarvon, E. Carter, L. [Teller] Chalfont, L. Chandos, V. Clarke of Hampstead, L. Clement-Jones, L. Clinton-Davis, L. Cobbold, L. Cocks of Hartcliffe, L. Cohen of Pimlico, B. Craig of Radley, L. Crawley, B. Darcy de Knayth, B. Davies of Coity, L. Davies of Oldham, L. Desai, L. Dholakia, L. Dixon, L. |
Dubs, L. Elder, L. Evans of Parkside, L. Evans of Temple Guiting, L. Evans of Watford, L. Ezra, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Falkland, V. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Faulkner of Worcester, L. Filkin, L. Fyfe of Fairfield, L. Gale, B. Gibson of Market Rasen, B. Gladwin of Clee, L. Goodhart, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Goudie, B. Gould of Potternewton, B. Graham of Edmonton, L. Greengross, B. Gregson, L. Grenfell, L. Hardy of Wath, L. Harris of Greenwich, L. Harris of Haringey, L. Harris of Richmond, B. Harrison, L. Haskel, L. Hayman, B. Hereford, Bp. Hilton of Eggardon, B. Hogg of Cumbernauld, L. Hollis of Heigham, B. Hooson, L. Howells of St. Davids, B. Howie of Troon, L. Hoyle, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hutchinson of Lullington, L. Hylton, L. Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor) Islwyn, L. Janner of Braunstone, L. Jay of Paddington, B. (Lord Privy Seal) |
Jeger, B. King of West Bromwich, L. Laird, L. Lane, L. Lea of Crondall, L. Lipsey, L. Listowel, E. Lockwood, B. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. McCarthy, L. Macdonald of Tradeston, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller] MacKenzie of Culkein, L. Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L. Mackie of Benshie, L. McNally, L. Maddock, B. Mallalieu, B. Manchester, Bp. Mar, C. Marsh, L. Masham of Ilton, B. Mason of Barnsley, L. Merlyn-Rees, L. Methuen, L. Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B. Mishcon, L. Mitchell, L. Molyneaux of Killead, L. Monson, L. Newby, L. Nicol, B. Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L. Parekh, L. Paul, L. Peston, L. Phillips of Sudbury, L. Plant of Highfield, L. Portsmouth, Bp. Prys-Davies, L. Puttnam, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Rea, L. Redesdale, L. Richard, L. Rix, L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Rogan, L. |
Roper, L. Sainsbury of Turville, L. Salisbury, Bp. Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly. Sandwich, E. Sawyer, L. Scott of Needham Market, B. Serota, B. Sharp of Guildford, B. Shepherd, L. Shutt of Greetland, L. Simon, V. Smith of Clifton, L. Stallard, L. |
Stern, B. Stoddart of Swindon, L. Tanlaw, L. Taverne, L. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Tenby, V. Thomas of Gresford, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Tomlinson, L. Tope, L. Tordoff, L. Turnberg, L. Turner of Camden, B. Varley, L. |
Wallace of Saltaire, L. Walpole, L. Warnock, B. Watson of Richmond, L. Weatherill, L. Whitaker, B. Wigoder, L. Wilkins, B. Williams of Crosby, B. Williams of Elvel, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Williamson of Horton, L. Wilson of Tillyorn, L. Winston, L. Woolmer of Leeds, L. Wright of Richmond, L. |
NOT-CONTENTS
Anelay of St Johns, B. Arran, E. Astor, V. Astor of Hever, L. Barber, L. Blackwell, L. Blaker, L. Blatch, B. Blyth of Rowington, L. Boardman, L. Bridgeman, V. Brittan of Spennithorne, L. Brougham and Vaux, L. Buscombe, B. Byford, B. Campbell of Alloway, L. Campbell of Croy, L. Carnegy of Lour, B. Carr of Hadley, L. Cavendish of Furness, L. Chadlington, L. Chalker of Wallasey, B. Clark of Kempston, L. Colwyn, L. Cope of Berkeley, L. Courtown, E. Crickhowell, L. Cumberlege, B. Dean of Harptree, L. Dixon-Smith, L. Eccles of Moulton, B. Eden of Winton, L. Elliott of Morpeth, L. Elton, L. Feldman, L. Ferrers, E. Flather, B. Flowers, L. Forsyth of Drumlean, L. Gardner of Parkes, B. Garel-Jones, L. Geddes, L. |
Gilmour of Craigmillar, L. Glentoran, L. Gray of Contin, L. Hambro, L. Hanham, B. Henley, L. [Teller] Higgins, L. Hogg, B. Holderness, L. Hooper, B. Howe, E. Howe of Aberavon, L. Howell of Guildford, L. Hunt of Wirral, L. Inglewood, L. James of Holland Park, B. Jenkin of Roding, L. Jopling, L. Kelvedon, L. Kimball, L. Kingsland, L. Kirkham, L. Knight of Collingtree, B. Lamont of Lerwick, L. Lane of Horsell, L. Lang of Monkton, L. Lawson of Blaby, L. Lindsay, E. Lucas, L. Luke, L. McColl of Dulwich, L. Mayhew of Twysden, L. Miller of Hendon, B. Monro of Langholm, L. Montagu of Beaulieu, L. Montrose, D. Mowbray and Stourton, L. Moynihan, L. Murton of Lindisfarne, L. Naseby, L. Northbrook, L. Northesk, E. OCathain, B. |
Palumbo, L. Park of Monmouth, B. Patten, L. Plumb, L. Plummer of St. Marylebone, L. Quinton, L. Rees, L. Renton, L. Renton of Mount Harry, L. Roberts of Conwy, L. Roll of Ipsden, L. Ryder of Wensum, L. Saatchi, L. Sainsbury of Preston Candover, L. St John of Fawsley, L. Sanderson of Bowden, L. Scott of Foscote, L. Seccombe, B. [Teller] Selborne, E. Selsdon, L. Sharples, B. Shaw of Northstead, L. Shrewsbury, E. Simon of Glaisdale, L. Sterling of Plaistow, L. Stevens of Ludgate, L. Stewartby, L. Stodart of Leaston, L. Strange, B. Strathclyde, L. Tebbit, L. Thatcher, B. Thomas of Gwydir, L. Trefgarne, L. Trumpington, B. Tugendhat, L. Vivian, L. Waddington, L. Wade of Chorlton, L. Wakeham, L. Walker of Worcester, L. Wilcox, B. Windlesham, L. Young, B. |