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Lord Dixon-Smith: I am grateful to the noble Baroness for her full and detailed reply, which I believe was not no. It certainly was not yes, but it tempts me to go back and have another shot. The Minister has raised a number of issues which could perhaps be resolved by slightly redesigning these amendments. We shall study that reply in intense detail and see if we can do that, as we believe the ambition is worthy. I am sure that, whatever else she may have said, she would agree with the ambition, if not with the method. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

[Amendment No. 151B not moved.]

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff moved Amendment No. 151C:



"SUMMARY OF EFFECTS OF THIS ACT IN RELATION TO WALES
The effects of this Act in relation to Wales are set out in the Schedule."

The noble Baroness said: I apologise for rushing in, but the train just made it into Paddington in time and I have just come up from Wales. I understand that the Government have given a great deal of help with previous legislation to ensure that the Explanatory Notes contain a table summarising the issues as they pertain to Wales. These changes have been particularly welcomed in the Welsh Assembly and are being welcomed by the constitutional legal department in the university, because they are making it increasingly easy to track primary and secondary legislation and the concordance of the two. I have tabled the amendments in that spirit. I beg to move.

The Duke of Montrose: Does this raise the question of whether a similar schedule should be added for the Scottish Assembly?

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton: Scottish Parliament. I shall need to get guidance, because the difference between the Scottish Parliament and the Welsh Assembly is that the Parliament has power to make primary legislation and the Welsh Assembly does not. It is because of the blurring within the legislation as to which parts of the Act—we are dealing with the Explanatory Notes that go with the final Act—apply to Wales alone and which apply to Wales and England. I shall seek advice as to whether there is anything in the nature of the Bill when it becomes an

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Act that should need that. I do not know. However, I can assure the noble Baroness that the normal policy will continue to apply on this.

The noble Lord, Lord Jenkin of Roding, is not here, so we are about to finish the Committee stage unless the noble Lord, Lord Dixon-Smith, is going to move his amendment for him.

Lord Dixon-Smith: I am.

Lord Livsey of Talgarth: I want to back up what the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, is doing here as it is very important to the National Assembly that this goes through in the form that it is in. There have been huge and notorious problems within Wales about landfill and I know the Assembly was particularly anxious to get this through. It is good that it has been specified in this way. I back up what the noble Baroness has said about the division of powers for the National Assembly for Wales and the Scottish Parliament. She is quite right in defining them in the way she has.

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton: I shall respond to the question about Scotland. Such a schedule would not be necessary in Scotland because the Scottish Parliament is also an allocating authority in Chapter 1 of the Bill. I am not quite sure how that answers the question that was posed to me, but perhaps when we both read what I have just said we may understand more. I hope that the noble Baroness will withdraw her amendment in the light of the undertaking that I have given on behalf of the Government.

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff: I thank the noble Baroness for her helpful reply; I also thank Members of the Committee for their support in tabling the amendment. I am delighted that it will be incorporated in the Explanatory Notes and therefore I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

Clauses 29 to 32 agreed to.

7.15 p.m.

Lord Dixon-Smith moved Amendment No. 152:


    Before Clause 33, insert the following new clause—


"REPORT ON CAPTURE OF COAL MINE METHANE
The Secretary of State shall prepare a report on the inclusion of the capture of coal mine methane emissions from disused coal mines in the emissions trading scheme."

The noble Lord said: In the absence of my noble friend Lord Jenkin of Roding, I move Amendment No. 152. In introducing it, I should say that my noble friend has been bowled out—as I suspect that we all have—by our productivity today. Here we are finishing the Bill after only two days in Grand Committee, for which four were originally allocated. I am not sure whether that creates some sort of record or precedent but it is remarkable. I should also like to make the point that because of that original scheduling, few people were thinking about amendments to the latter part of the Bill, because they

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thought it would be all right to table them in January. If that produces some awkward shocks on Report, I hope that that will be understood.

With that introduction, I do not intend to speak to this amendment but felt that it was important that it should be moved. The important thing is to get the Government's response on the record. I look forward to hearing from the noble Baroness, and I beg to move.

Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton: With respect to the inclusion of the new clause commissioning the Secretary of State to produce a report on the inclusion of coal mine methane from abandoned mines in the UK emissions trading scheme, I note that the Bill does not attempt to set out the eligibility of individual industry sectors or particular sources of emissions for the scheme.

However, I place on record that the department are only too happy to offer the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, a meeting on this subject, particularly in the light of the circumstances tonight, before Report, if he would find that helpful. He may well be interested in some

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research being commissioned outwith the passage of this Bill. In asking the noble Lord, Lord Dixon-Smith, to withdraw the amendment, perhaps I may thank all those who have made my task this afternoon such an easy one.

Lord Dixon-Smith: I am most grateful to the Minister. That reply is helpful and I am sure that my noble friend Lord Jenkin will be happy to receive it. He will also almost certainly be happy to meet the Government on the matter. Perhaps I may also thank all colleagues who have participated. This has been a remarkable achievement and I look forward to going somewhere to get a stiff drink to recover from the shock. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

Clauses 33 to 35 agreed to.

[Amendment No. 153 not moved.]

Bill reported without amendment.

        The Committee adjourned at nineteen minutes past seven o'clock.

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