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Baroness Anelay of St Johns: The Minister has described why the Government feel that my amendment is unnecessary. He referred to the guidance issued last year. The point made by the Magistrates' Association is that that guidance is insufficient and that there is still a need for local consultation on a statutory basis. Without that, the process will not be effective. I feel that I have a duty to the Magistrates' Association and its representations and I beg to test the opinion of the Committee.

1.17 a.m.

On Question, Whether the said amendment (No. 230ZA) shall be agreed to?

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Their Lordships divided: Contents, 10; Not-Contents, 12.

Division No. 5


Anelay of St Johns, B.
Attlee, E.
Blatch, B.
Bridgeman, V. [Teller]
Cope of Berkeley, L. [Teller]
Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L.
Shutt of Greetland, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Tordoff, L.
Walmsley, B.


Andrews, B.
Bassam of Brighton, L. [Teller]
Campbell-Savours, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Gibson of Market Rasen, B.
Goldsmith, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Grocott, L. [Teller]
Lea of Crondall, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Warner, L.

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1.26 a.m.

The Chairman of Committees (Lord Brabazon of Tara): As it appears that fewer than 30 noble Lords have voted, in accordance with Standing Order 58 I declare the Question not decided and, pursuant to Standing Order, the House will now resume.

House resumed.

        House adjourned at twenty-seven minutes past one o'clock.

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