House of Lords Journal 238 (Session 2004-05)


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Wednesday 8th December 2004

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Falconer of Thoroton, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Ackner, L.
Addington, L.
Ahmed, L.
Alliance, L.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Ampthill, L.
Andrews, B.
Anelay of St Johns, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Ashton of Upholland, B.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Barker, B.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Biffen, L.
Billingham, B.
Birt, L.
Bledisloe, V.
Bonham-Carter of Yarnbury, B.
Boothroyd, B.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bradshaw, L.
Bragg, L.
Bramall, L.
Brennan, L.
Brett, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brooke of Sutton Mandeville, L.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnham, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butler of Brockwell, L.
Byford, B.
Cameron of Dillington, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell-Savours, L.
Canterbury, Abp.
Carey of Clifton, L.
Carlile of Berriew, L.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Carr of Hadley, L.
Carter, L.
Chan, L.
Chapman, B.
Chester, Bp.
Chorley, L.
Christopher, L.
Clark of Windermere, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cobbold, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cohen of Pimlico, B.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
Condon, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Corbett of Castle Vale, L.
Courtown, E.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crawley, B.
Crickhowell, L.
Cuckney, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Dahrendorf, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Dearing, L.
Denham, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donaldson of Lymington, L.
Donoughue, L.
Drayson, L.
D’Souza, B.
Dubs, L.
Dykes, L.
Eatwell, L.
Elder, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Evans of Temple Guiting, L.
Ezra, L.
Falkender, B.
Falkland, V.
Falkner of Margravine, B.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Fellowes, L.
Ferrers, E.
Fitt, L.
Fookes, B.
Fowler, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freeman, L.
Freyberg, L.
Fyfe of Fairfield, L.
Gale, B.
Garden, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geddes, L.
Giddens, L.
Gilmour of Craigmillar, L.
Glentoran, L.
Golding, B.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Goschen, V.
Goudie, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Greengross, B.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grocott, L.
Hamwee, B.
Hanningfield, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harris of Richmond, B.
Harrison, L.
Hart of Chilton, L.
Haskins, L.
Haworth, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Henig, B.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Howard of Rising, L.
Howarth of Breckland, B.

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Howe, E.
Howe of Aberavon, L.
Howe of Idlicote, B.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howells of St. Davids, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Chesterton, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hylton, L.
Inglewood, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jellicoe, E.
Jones, L.
Jopling, L.
Judd, L.
Kalms, L.
Kilclooney, L.
Kimball, L.
King of Bridgwater, L.
King of West Bromwich, L.
Kingsdown, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kirkhill, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Laing of Dunphail, L.
Laird, L.
Laming, L.
Layard, L.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Levy, L.
Lewis of Newnham, L.
Lindsay, E.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Lipsey, L.
Listowel, E.
Liverpool, E.
Livsey of Talgarth, L.
Lloyd of Berwick, L.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Lucas, L.
Ludford, B.
Luke, L.
McAlpine of West Green, L.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
MacKenzie of Culkein, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
McKenzie of Luton, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
MacLaurin of Knebworth, L.
Maclennan of Rogart, L.
McNally, L.
Maginnis of Drumglass, L.
Mallalieu, B.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massey of Darwen, B.
Maxton, L.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Methuen, L.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Mitchell, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Morgan of Drefelin, B.
Morris of Aberavon, L.
Morris of Bolton, B.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moynihan, L.
Murphy, B.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Naseby, L.
Neuberger, B.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Noakes, B.
Northbourne, L.
Northesk, E.
Northover, B.
Norton of Louth, L.
Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L.
O’Cathain, B.
Ouseley, L.
Owen, L.
Oxburgh, L.
Palmer, L.
Parekh, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Parkinson, L.
Patel of Blackburn, L.
Paul, L.
Peel, E.
Pendry, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Plumb, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Portsmouth, Bp.
Prosser, B.
Prys-Davies, L.
Quirk, L.
Radice, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rawlinson of Ewell, L.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rees-Mogg, L.
Rennard, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Richard, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Roberts of Llandudno, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rogan, L.
Roll of Ipsden, L.
Rooker, L.
Roper, L.
Rosslyn, E.
Royall of Blaisdon, B.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St John of Fawsley, L.
Salisbury, Bp.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandwich, E.
Sawyer, L.
Scott of Needham Market, B.
Seccombe, B.
Selborne, E.
Selsdon, L.
Sewel, L.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Sharples, B.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Sheldon, L.
Shrewsbury, E.
Shutt of Greetland, L.
Simon, V.
Skelmersdale, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Snape, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Southwark, Bp.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stern, B.
Stevens of Ludgate, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strange, B.
Strathclyde, L.
Sutherland of Houndwood, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Tebbit, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thornton, B.
Tomlinson, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Triesman, L.
Trumpington, B.
Truscott, L.
Tugendhat, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Vallance of Tummel, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Worcester, L.
Wall of New Barnet, B.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walmsley, B.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warner, L.
Warnock, B.
Watson of Richmond, L.

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Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Weidenfeld, L.
Whitaker, B.
Wilcox, B.
Wilkins, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williamson of Horton, L.
Windlesham, L.
Winston, L.
Woolmer of Leeds, L.
Young of Hornsey, B.
Young of Norwood Green, L.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Salisbury.

Judicial Business

1.College of Estate Management (Respondents) v. Her Majesty’s Commissioners of Customs and Excise (Appellants) (England)—The appeal of Her Majesty’s Commissioners of Customs and Excise was presented and it was ordered that in accordance with Standing Order VI the statement and appendix thereto be lodged on or before 19th January 2005.
2.West Bromwich Building Society (Appellants) v. Wilkinson and another (Respondents) (England)—The appeal of West Bromwich Building Society was presented and it was ordered that in accordance with Standing Order VI the statement and appendix thereto be lodged on or before 19th January 2005.
3.Blackburn Chemicals Limited (Petitioners) v. Bim Kemi AB (Respondents)—The petition of Blackburn Chemicals Limited praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
4.R (on the application of Hammond) (Respondent) v. Secretary of State for the Home Department (Petitioner)—The petition of the Secretary of State for the Home Department praying for leave to appeal in accordance with the Administration of Justice Act 1960 was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
5.In re McClean (Original Respondent and Cross-appellant) (On Appeal from the Court of Appeal Northern Ireland) (Northern Ireland)—The petition of the original appellants praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 19th January 2005 (the agents for the original respondent consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed.
6.Appeal Committee—The following Order was made pursuant to the 113th Report, Session 2003–04:

Trustees of the Robin Settlement (Petitioners) v. Trippier (Her Majesty’s Inspector of Taxes) (Respondent)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the respondent be at liberty to apply for her costs in accordance with direction 5.1(d); and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.

Papers

7.Instrument withdrawn—The following instrument, laid before the House on 24th November, was withdrawn:

Draft Information and Consultation of Employees Regulations 2004.

8.Command Papers—The following papers were presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Environment—Delivering the Essentials of Life: Department for Environment Food and Rural Affairs’ Five Year Strategy;
 (6411)
2.European Union—Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe.
 (6429)
9.Affirmative Instrument—The following instrument was laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table:

Draft Information and Consultation of Employees Regulations 2004, laid under the Employment Relations Act 2004, together with an Explanatory Memorandum.

10.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Child Minding and Day Care (Disclosure Functions) (England) Regulations 2004, laid under the Children Act 1989;
 (3136)
2. (i)Non-Domestic Rating (Unoccupied Property) (England) (Amendment) Regulations 2004—(3146)
(ii)Non-Domestic Rating (Stud Farms) (England) Order 2004—(3151)
(iii)Non-Domestic Rating (Former Agricultural Premises) (England) Order 2004— (3152)
(iv)Non-Domestic Rating (Rural Settlements) (England) (Amendment) Order 2004—(3153)
 laid under the Local Government Finance Act 1988;

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3.Plant Health (Forestry) (Phytophthora ramorum) (Great Britain) Order 2004, laid under the Plant Health Act 1967;
 (3213)
4. (i)Insurance Accounts Directive (Lloyd’s Syndicate and Aggregate Accounts) Regulations 2004—(3219)
(ii)Sea Fishing (Enforcement of Community Satellite Monitoring Measures) Amendment (Revocation) (England) Regulations 2004—(3227)
 laid under the European Communities Act 1972;
5.Sea Fishing (Enforcement of Community Satellite Monitoring Measures) Order 2004, laid under the Fisheries Act 1981.
 (3226)

Select Committee Reports

11.Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform—The following reports from the Select Committee were made and ordered to be printed:

First Report, on the following bills and Act:

International Organisations Bill [HL];

Inquiries Bill [HL];

Borough Freedom (Family Succession) Bill [HL];

Parliamentary Commissioner (Amendment) Bill [HL];

Age-Related Payments Act 2004; (HL Paper 12)

2nd Report, on the following Orders:

Proposal for the draft Regulatory Reform (Prison Officers) (Industrial Action) Order 2004;

Proposal for the draft Regulatory Reform (Joint Nature Conservation Committee) Order 2005; (HL Paper 13)

3rd Report, on the proposal for the draft Regulatory Reform (Registration of Births and Deaths) (England and Wales) Order 2004. (HL Paper 14)

12.Human Rights—The 3rd Report from the Joint Committee, Deaths in Custody, together with Appendices and Minutes, was made and ordered to be printed. (HL Paper 15)

Public Business

13.Succession to the Crown Bill [HL]— A bill to make provision about succession to the Crown and about Royal marriages was presented by the Lord Dubs, read a first time and ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 11)
14.Business of the House—It was moved by the Lord Grocott, on behalf of the Lord President (Baroness Amos), that the debate on the motion in the name of the Baroness Linklater of Butterstone set down for today shall be limited to 4 hours; the motion was agreed to.
15.Crime prevention (4-hour debate)— It was moved by the Baroness Linklater of Butterstone that there be laid before the House papers relating to the case for wider community involvement in determining policies relevant to crime prevention, alternatives to prison and the rehabilitation of offenders, in the interests of public confidence in the criminal justice system; after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn.
16.Vaccination programme—The Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts asked Her Majesty’s Government what they propose to do to increase the level of public trust in their vaccination and immunisation programme; after debate, the question was answered by the Lord Warner.

The House was adjourned at twenty-nine minutes before eight o’clock
till tomorrow, a quarter before ten o’clock for judicial business,
eleven o’clock for public business.