House of Lords Journal 238 (Session 2004-05)


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Tuesday 1st March 2005

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Falconer of Thoroton, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Ackner, L.
Acton, L.
Addington, L.
Ahmed, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alliance, L.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Andrews, B.
Anelay of St Johns, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Armstrong of Ilminster, L.
Ashcroft, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Ashton of Upholland, B.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Bach, L.
Bagri, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Barker, B.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Berkeley, L.
Bernstein of Craigweil, L.
Best, L.
Bhatia, L.
Billingham, B.
Birt, L.
Blackstone, B.
Bledisloe, V.
Blood, B.
Bonham-Carter of Yarnbury, B.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bradshaw, L.
Bragg, L.
Bramall, L.
Brennan, L.
Brett, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Bridges, L.
Briggs, L.
Brittan of Spennithorne, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brooke of Sutton Mandeville, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Burlison, L.
Burns, L.
Buscombe, B.
Byford, B.
Caithness, E.
Cameron of Dillington, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell-Savours, L.
Carlile of Berriew, L.
Carlisle of Bucklow, L.
Carrington, L.
Carter, L.
Carter of Coles, L.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.
Chapman, B.
Chorley, L.
Christopher, L.
Clark of Windermere, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cohen of Pimlico, B.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Corbett of Castle Vale, L.
Courtown, E.
Coventry, Bp.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Crawley, B.
Crickhowell, L.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Dearing, L.
Denham, L.
Derby, Bp.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon, L.

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Dixon-Smith, L.
Donaldson of Lymington, L.
Donoughue, L.
Drayson, L.
D’Souza, B.
Dubs, L.
Dundee, E.
Dykes, L.
Eames, L.
Eatwell, L.
Eden of Winton, L.
Elder, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Evans of Temple Guiting, L.
Falkland, V.
Falkner of Margravine, B.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Fellowes, L.
Ferrers, E.
Filkin, L.
Finlay of Llandaff, B.
Fitt, L.
Flowers, L.
Fookes, B.
Forsyth of Drumlean, L.
Fowler, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freeman, L.
Freyberg, L.
Fyfe of Fairfield, L.
Gale, B.
Garden, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Garel-Jones, L.
Geddes, L.
Gibson of Market Rasen, B.
Giddens, L.
Gilmour of Craigmillar, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Golding, B.
Goldsmith, L.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Goschen, V.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grantchester, L.
Greengross, B.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Griffiths of Burry Port, L.
Grocott, L.
Hamwee, B.
Hanham, B.
Hannay of Chiswick, L.
Hanningfield, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harris of High Cross, L.
Harris of Richmond, B.
Harrison, L.
Hart of Chilton, L.
Haskel, L.
Haskins, L.
Haworth, L.
Hayman, B.
Henig, B.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L.
Hoffmann, L.
Hogg, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Hope of Craighead, L.
Howard of Rising, L.
Howe, E.
Howe of Aberavon, L.
Howe of Idlicote, B.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howells of St. Davids, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Chesterton, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Hylton, L.
Imbert, L.
Inglewood, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Joffe, L.
Jones, L.
Jopling, L.
Kalms, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kilclooney, L.
Kimball, L.
King of Bridgwater, L.
King of West Bromwich, L.
Kingsdown, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kirkhill, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Laird, L.
Lane of Horsell, L.
Lang of Monkton, L.
Layard, L.
Leicester, Bp.
Leitch, L.
Levene of Portsoken, L.
Levy, L.
Lewis of Newnham, L.
Lindsay, E.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Lipsey, L.
Listowel, E.
Liverpool, E.
Livsey of Talgarth, L.
Lloyd of Berwick, L.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Lucas, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McDonagh, B.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
MacGregor of Pulham Market, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
Mackay of Clashfern, L.
MacKenzie of Culkein, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
McKenzie of Luton, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
Maclennan of Rogart, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Maginnis of Drumglass, L.
Mallalieu, B.
Mancroft, L.
Mar, C.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massey of Darwen, B.
Maxton, L.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Methuen, L.
Michie of Gallanach, B.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Mitchell, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monson, L.
Montrose, D.
Morgan, L.
Morgan of Drefelin, B.
Morris of Aberavon, L.
Morris of Bolton, B.
Moser, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moynihan, L.
Murphy, B.
Naseby, L.
Neill of Bladen, L.
Neuberger, B.
Newby, L.
Newcastle, Bp.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicholls of Birkenhead, L.
Nicholson of Winterbourne, B.
Nicol, B.
Noakes, B.
Northbourne, L.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
Northover, B.
Norton of Louth, L.
Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L.
O’Cathain, B.
O’Neill of Bengarve, B.
Onslow, E.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Ouseley, L.
Palmer, L.
Parekh, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Patten, L.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.

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Perry of Southwark, B.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Platt of Writtle, B.
Plumb, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Powell of Bayswater, L.
Prashar, B.
Prys-Davies, L.
Quinton, L.
Quirk, L.
Radice, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Rana, L.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rawlinson of Ewell, L.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rees-Mogg, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Rennard, L.
Renton, L.
Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Roberts of Llandudno, L.
Robertson of Port Ellen, L.
Rodger of Earlsferry, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Roll of Ipsden, L.
Rooker, L.
Roper, L.
Rosser, L.
Rosslyn, E.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowlands, L.
Royall of Blaisdon, B.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandberg, L.
Sanderson of Bowden, L.
Sandwich, E.
Sawyer, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Scott of Needham Market, B.
Seccombe, B.
Selborne, E.
Selsdon, L.
Sewel, L.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Sheldon, L.
Shutt of Greetland, L.
Simon, V.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Smith of Leigh, L.
Snape, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Southwark, Bp.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Sutherland of Houndwood, L.
Swinfen, L.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tenby, V.
Thatcher, B.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thornton, B.
Tombs, L.
Tomlinson, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trenchard, V.
Triesman, L.
Trumpington, B.
Truscott, L.
Tunnicliffe, L.
Turnberg, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Vallance of Tummel, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wall of New Barnet, B.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walmsley, B.
Walpole, L.
Warner, L.
Warnock, B.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Watson of Richmond, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
Whitaker, B.
Wilcox, B.
Wilkins, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williamson of Horton, L.
Willoughby de Broke, L.
Windlesham, L.
Winston, L.
Woolmer of Leeds, L.
Worcester, Bp.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Young of Norwood Green, L.
Young of Old Scone, B.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Derby.

Judicial Business

1.R v. May (Petitioner)—The petition of Raymond George May praying for leave to appeal in accordance with the Criminal Appeal Act 1968 was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee.
2.College of Estate Management (Respondents) v. Her Majesty’s Commissioners of Customs and Excise (Appellants)—The petition of the appellants praying that the time for lodging the statement and appendix and setting down the cause for hearing might be extended to 13th April (the agents for the respondents consenting thereto) was presented; and it was ordered as prayed.

Papers

3.Affirmative Instrument—The following instrument was laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table:

Draft Community Interest Company Regulations 2005, laid under the Companies (Audit, Investigations and Community Enterprise) Act 2004, together with an Explanatory Memorandum.

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4.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Plastic Materials and Articles in Contact with Food (Amendment) (England) Regulations 2005, laid under the Food Safety Act 1990;
 (325)
2.(i) General Medical Council (Registration Appeals Panels Procedure) Rules Order of Council 2005—
 (400)
(ii)General Medical Council (Fraud or Error in relation to Registration) Rules Order of Council 2005—(401)
(iii)General Medical Council (Constitution of Panels and Investigation Committee) (Amendment) Rules Order of Council 2005—(402)
 laid under the Medical Act 1983;
3.Production of Bovine Collagen Intended for Human Consumption in the United Kingdom (England) Regulations 2005, laid under the European Communities Act 1972;
 (404)
4.Police (Northern Ireland) Act 2000 (Continuance of Office of Commissioner) Order 2005, laid under the Police (Northern Ireland) Act 2000.
 (—)
5.Paper not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following paper was laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:

Report of a Call-Out Order of Members of the Reserve Forces, laid under the Reserve Forces Act 1996.

Select Committee Reports

6.Statutory Instruments—The 10th Report from the Joint Committee was made on certain statutory instruments, including the following affirmative instruments:

Draft Courts Act 2003 (Consequential Provisions) Order 2005;

Draft Employment Zones (Allocation to Contractors) Pilot Regulations 2005;

Draft Financial Services and Markets Act 2000 (Carrying on Regulated Activities by Way of Business) (Amendment) Order 2005;

Draft Immigration and Asylum (Provision of Accommodation to Failed Asylum-Seekers) Regulations 2005;

Draft Immigration (Leave to Enter and Remain) (Amendment) Order 2005;

Draft Non-Domestic Rating (Chargeable Amounts) (England) (Amendment) Regulations 2005;

Draft Opticians Act 1989 (Amendment) Order 2005;

Draft Social Security Commissioners (Procedure) (Amendment) Regulations 2005;

Draft Water Fluoridation (Consultation) (England) Regulations 2005;

Draft Water Supply (Fluoridation Indemnities) (England) Regulations 2005;

it was ordered that the Report be printed. (HL Paper 64)

7.Merits of Statutory Instruments—The 11th Report from the Select Committee was made and ordered to be printed:

11th Report, on the following affirmative instrument:

Draft Town and Country Planning (Fees for Applications and Deemed Applications) (Amendment) (England) Regulations 2005;

and on the following negative instrument:

Town and Country Planning (Temporary Stop Notice) (England) Regulations 2005. (HL Paper 67)

Private Business

8.Midland Metro (Wednesbury to Brierley Hill and Miscellaneous Amendments) Order 2005—The Report by the Chairman of Committees and the Chairman of Ways and Means in the House of Commons pursuant to section 3(5) of the Statutory Orders (Special Procedure) Act 1945, that no Petitions had been presented against the Midland Metro (Wednesbury to Brierley Hill and Miscellaneous Amendments) Order 2005, was laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table.

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Public Business

9.Prevention of Terrorism Bill—A bill to provide for the making against individuals involved in terrorism-related activity of orders imposing obligations on them for purposes connected with preventing or restricting their further involvement in such activity; to make provision about appeals and other proceedings relating to such orders; and for connected purposes, having been brought from the Commons on Monday 28th February and printed pursuant to Standing Order 51, was read a first time. (HL Bill 34)
10.Prevention of Terrorism Bill—The Explanatory Notes relating to the bill were printed pursuant to Standing Order 51. (HL Bill 34-EN)
11.Business of the House—It was moved by the Lord President (Baroness Amos) that Standing Order 47 (No two stages of a Bill to be taken on one day) be dispensed with today to allow the Prevention of Terrorism Bill to be read a second time; the motion was agreed to.
12.Gambling Bill—It was moved by the Lord McIntosh of Haringey that it be an instruction to the Committee of the Whole House to which the Gambling Bill has been committed that they consider the bill in the following order:
Clauses 1 to 11
Schedule 1
Clauses 12 to 14
Schedule 2
Clause 15
Schedule 3
Clauses 16 to 20
Schedule 4
Clause 21
Schedule 5
Clauses 22 to 29
Schedule 6
Clauses 30 to 124
Schedule 7
Clauses 125 to 138
Schedule 8
Clauses 139 to 173
Schedule 9
Clauses 174 to 241
Schedule 10
Clauses 242 to 252
Schedule 11
Clauses 253 to 269
Schedule 12
Clauses 270 to 278
Schedule 13
Clauses 279 to 284
Schedule 14
Clauses 285 to 290
Schedule 15
Clauses 291 to 349
Schedules 16 and 17
Clauses 350 to 351
Schedule 18
Clauses 352 and 353;

the motion was agreed to.

13.Prevention of Terrorism Bill—It was moved by the Lord Falconer of Thoroton, on behalf of the Baroness Scotland of Asthal, that the bill be now read a second time; after debate, the motion was agreed to and the bill was committed to a Committee of the Whole House.
14.Industrial Training Levy (Construction Board) Order 2005—The Grand Committee reported that it had considered the draft Order.
15.Pension Protection Fund (PPF Ombudsman) Order 2005—The Grand Committee reported that it had considered the draft Order.
16.Pension Protection Fund (Pension Compensation Cap) Order 2005—The Grand Committee reported that it had considered the draft Order.
17.Occupational Pension Schemes (Modification of Pension Protection Provisions) Regulations 2005—The Grand Committee reported that it had considered the draft Regulations.
18.Occupational Pension Schemes (Levies) Regulations 2005—The Grand Committee reported that it had considered the draft Regulations.
19.Regulatory Reform (Prison Officers) (Industrial Action) Order 2005—It was moved by the Lord Bassam of Brighton, on behalf of the Baroness Scotland of Asthal, that the draft Regulatory Reform Order laid before the House on 17th January be approved; the motion was agreed to.

The House was adjourned at twenty-six minutes past ten o’clock
till tomorrow, half-past two o’clock.


APPENDIX

PROCEEDINGS OF THE GRAND COMMITTEE (IN THE MOSES ROOM)

The Committee met at half-past three o’clock.

Industrial Training Levy (Construction Board) Order 2005—It was moved by the Lord Triesman, on behalf of the Lord Filkin, that the Grand Committee do report to the House that it has considered the draft Industrial Training Levy (Construction Board) Order 2005; after debate, the motion was agreed to.

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Pension Protection Fund (PPF Ombudsman) Order 2005—It was moved by the Baroness Hollis of Heigham that the Grand Committee do report to the House that it has considered the draft Pension Protection Fund (PPF Ombudsman) Order 2005; after debate, the motion was agreed to.

Pension Protection Fund (Pension Compensation Cap) Order 2005—It was moved by the Baroness Hollis of Heigham that the Grand Committee do report to the House that it has considered the draft Pension Protection Fund (Pension Compensation Cap) Order 2005; the motion was agreed to.

Occupational Pension Schemes (Modification of Pension Protection Provisions) Regulations 2005—It was moved by the Baroness Hollis of Heigham that the Grand Committee do report to the House that it has considered the draft Occupational Pension Schemes (Modification of Pension Protection Provisions) Regulations 2005; the motion was agreed to.

Occupational Pension Schemes (Levies) Regulations 2005—It was moved by the Baroness Hollis of Heigham that the Grand Committee do report to the House that it has considered the draft Occupational Pension Schemes (Levies) Regulations 2005; the motion was agreed to.

H M Customs and Excise: heavy goods vehicles—The Earl Attlee asked Her Majesty’s Government whether, in order to reduce tax and duty evasion, H M Customs and Excise have determined the feasibility of requiring all heavy goods vehicles leaving Great Britain to do so with a nearly full tank of fuel; after debate, the question was answered by the Lord Davies of Oldham.

The Committee was adjourned at twenty-three minutes before six o’clock.