House of Lords Journal 238 (Session 2004-05)

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Volume 238      

Wednesday 16th March 2005

The House met at half-past two o’clock.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Falconer of Thoroton, L.
(Lord Chancellor)

Ackner, L.
Addington, L.
Adebowale, L.
Ahmed, L.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Andrews, B.
Anelay of St Johns, B.
Armstrong of Ilminster, L.
Arran, E.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Ashton of Upholland, B.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Avebury, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Ballyedmond, L.
Barker, B.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Berkeley, L.
Best, L.
Bhatia, L.
Bhattacharyya, L.
Biffen, L.
Billingham, B.
Birt, L.
Blackstone, B.
Bledisloe, V.
Blood, B.
Bonham-Carter of Yarnbury, B.
Boothroyd, B.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bradshaw, L.
Bragg, L.
Brennan, L.
Brett, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Bridges, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brooke of Sutton Mandeville, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Brown of Eaton-under-
Heywood, L.
Burlison, L.
Burns, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butler of Brockwell, L.
Byford, B.
Caithness, E.
Cameron of Dillington, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell-Savours, L.
Carter, L.
Carter of Coles, L.
Chalker of Wallasey, B.
Chan, L.
Chapman, B.
Chelmsford, Bp.
Chorley, L.
Christopher, L.
Clark of Windermere, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cobbold, L.
Cockfield, L.
Cohen of Pimlico, B.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
Condon, L.
Cooke of Islandreagh, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Corbett of Castle Vale, L.
Cox, B.
Craigavon, V.
Crathorne, L.
Crawley, B.
Crickhowell, L.
Cuckney, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Currie of Marylebone, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
David, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Mauley, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Drayson, L.
D’Souza, B.
Dubs, L.
Dundee, E.
Dykes, L.
Eames, L.
Eatwell, L.
Eccles of Moulton, B.
Eden of Winton, L.
Elder, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Emerton, B.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Evans of Temple Guiting, L.
Falkender, B.
Falkland, V.
Falkner of Margravine, B.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Feldman, L.
Ferrers, E.
Filkin, L.
Fitt, L.
Flather, B.
Fookes, B.
Forsyth of Drumlean, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freeman, L.
Fyfe of Fairfield, L.
Gale, B.
Garden, L.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
George, L.
Gibson of Market Rasen, B.
Giddens, L.
Gilbert, L.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Golding, B.
Goodhart, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Gray of Contin, L.
Greaves, L.
Greengross, B.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Griffiths of Burry Port, L.
Grocott, L.
Hanham, B.
Hanningfield, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harris of Richmond, B.
Harrison, L.
Haskins, L.
Hattersley, L.
Haworth, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Hayman, B.
Henig, B.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L.
Hogg, B.
Hogg of Cumbernauld, L.
Hollick, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Howard of Rising, L.
Howe, E.
Howe of Idlicote, B.

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Howell of Guildford, L.
Howells of St. Davids, B.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Chesterton, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hylton, L.
Inglewood, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L.
Jellicoe, E.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Joffe, L.
Jones, L.
Jopling, L.
Judd, L.
Kalms, L.
Kilclooney, L.
Kimball, L.
King of Bridgwater, L.
King of West Bromwich, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kirkhill, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Laird, L.
Laming, L.
Layard, L.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Levy, L.
Lewis of Newnham, L.
Lindsay, E.
Linklater of Butterstone, B.
Listowel, E.
Livsey of Talgarth, L.
Lloyd of Berwick, L.
Lockwood, B.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Lucas, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McAlpine of West Green, L.
McDonagh, B.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
MacGregor of Pulham Market, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
MacKenzie of Culkein, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
McKenzie of Luton, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
Maclennan of Rogart, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Maginnis of Drumglass, L.
Mallalieu, B.
Mancroft, L.
Mar, C.
Mar and Kellie, E.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massey of Darwen, B.
Maxton, L.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Merlyn-Rees, L.
Michie of Gallanach, B.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monro of Langholm, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montrose, D.
Morgan, L.
Morgan of Drefelin, B.
Morris of Aberavon, L.
Morris of Bolton, B.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Moser, L.
Mowbray and Stourton, L.
Moynihan, L.
Murphy, B.
Murton of Lindisfarne, L.
Naseby, L.
Neill of Bladen, L.
Neuberger, B.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Nicol, B.
Northbourne, L.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
Northover, B.
Norton of Louth, L.
Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L.
O’Cathain, B.
O’Neill of Bengarve, B.
Onslow, E.
Ouseley, L.
Oxburgh, L.
Oxford, Bp.
Palmer, L.
Palumbo, L.
Parekh, L.
Patel, L.
Patel of Blackburn, L.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Peel, E.
Pendry, L.
Perry of Southwark, B.
Peston, L.
Peyton of Yeovil, L.
Phillips of Sudbury, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Plumb, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Portsmouth, Bp.
Prashar, B.
Prosser, B.
Prys-Davies, L.
Quirk, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Randall of St. Budeaux, L.
Rawlings, B.
Rawlinson of Ewell, L.
Rea, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees-Mogg, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Rennard, L.
Renton, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Richard, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Roberts of Llandudno, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rogan, L.
Roll of Ipsden, L.
Rooker, L.
Roper, L.
Rosser, L.
Rosslyn, E.
Rotherwick, L.
Rowlands, L.
Royall of Blaisdon, B.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Sainsbury of Preston Candover, L.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandberg, L.
Sandwich, E.
Sawyer, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Scott of Foscote, L.
Scott of Needham Market, B.
Seccombe, B.
Selborne, E.
Selsdon, L.
Sewel, L.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Sharples, B.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Sheldon, L.
Shutt of Greetland, L.
Simon, V.
Skelmersdale, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Snape, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Sutherland of Houndwood, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Tanlaw, L.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Temple-Morris, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomson of Monifieth, L.
Thornton, B.
Tomlinson, L.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Triesman, L.
Trumpington, B.
Truscott, L.
Tunnicliffe, L.
Turnberg, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Ullswater, V.
Vincent of Coleshill, L.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.

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Wakeham, L.
Wall of New Barnet, B.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walmsley, B.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warnock, B.
Watson of Richmond, L.
Waverley, V.
Weatherill, L.
Whitaker, B.
Wilcox, B.
Wilkins, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williamson of Horton, L.
Wilson of Dinton, L.
Windlesham, L.
Woolmer of Leeds, L.
Worcester, Bp.
Young of Norwood Green, L.

PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Chelmsford.

1.Barony of Burnham in the Peerage of the United Kingdom—The Lord Chancellor reported that Harry Frederick Alan Lawson had established his succession to the Barony of Burnham in the Peerage of the United Kingdom. The Clerk of the Parliaments was accordingly directed to enter the Lord Burnham on the register of hereditary peers maintained under Standing Order 10(5).

Judicial Business

2.Law Society (Respondents) v. Sephton & Co (a firm) (Appellants) and another and others (Appellants)—It was ordered that the appellants be allowed to prosecute the appeal without giving the usual security for costs as required by Standing Order.
3.Appeal Committee—The 33rd Report from the Appeal Committee was agreed to and the following Orders were made—

Topplan Estates Limited (Petitioners) v. Townley (Respondent)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the respondent be at liberty to apply for his costs in accordance with direction 5.1(d); and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.

Fattal and another (Petitioners) v. John Lyon’s Charity (Respondents)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(d); and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.

South Bucks District Council (Respondents) v. Coates and others (Petitioners)—That leave to appeal be refused.

St Leger-Davey (by her litigation friend) (Petitioner) and another v. First Secretary of State for the Environment and others (Respondents)—That leave to appeal be refused; that the first and third respondents be at liberty to apply for their costs in accordance with direction 5.1(d); and, if the application is granted, that the amount thereof be certified by the Clerk of the Parliaments if not agreed between the parties.


4.Instrument Withdrawn—The following instrument, laid before the House on 7th March, was withdrawn:

Draft Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005, together with a Statement by the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister.

5.Command Paper—The following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table:

Budget—Budget 2005 Investing for our future: Fairness and opportunity for Britain’s hard-working families.


6.Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1. (i) Pension Protection Fund (Reviewable Matters) Regulations 2005—
(ii) Transfer of Employment (Pension Protection) Regulations 2005—(649)
(iii)Pension Protection Fund (Maladministration) Regulations 2005—(650)
(iv)Pension Protection Fund (Reviewable Ill Health Pensions) Regulations 2005— (652)
(v)Pension Protection Fund (Review and Reconsideration of Reviewable Matters) Regulations 2005—(669)
(vi)Pension Protection Fund (Compensation) Regulations 2005—(670)
(vii)Pension Protection Fund (Valuation) Regulations 2005—(672)
(viii)Pension Protection Fund (Provision of Information) Regulations 2005—(674)
(ix)Pension Protection Fund (Statement of Investment Principles) Regulations 2005—(675)
 laid under the Pensions Act 2004;

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2. (i) Health and Safety (Fees) Regulations 2005— (676)
(ii) Consumer Protection (Distance Selling) (Amendment) Regulations 2005—(689)
(iii)Community Designs (Designation of Community Design Courts) Regulations 2005—(696)
(iv)Producer Responsibility Obligations (Packaging Waste) (Amendment) (England and Wales) Regulations 2005—(717)
 laid under the European Communities Act 1972;
3.Occupational Pension Schemes (Employer Debt) Regulations 2005, laid under the Pensions Act 1995; (678)
4. (i) Companies Act 1985 (Power to Enter and Remain on Premises: Procedural) Regulations 2005— (684)
(ii) Reporting Standards (Specified Body) Order 2005—(692)
(iii)Companies (Defective Accounts) (Authorised Person) Order 2005—(699)
 laid under the Companies Act 1985;
5.Patents (Translations) Rules 2005, laid under the Patents Act 1977; (687)
6.Welfare Food (Amendment) Regulations 2005, laid under the Social Security Act 1988; (688)
7.Personal and Occupational Pension Schemes (Indexation and Disclosure of Information) (Miscellaneous Amendments) Regulations 2005, laid under the Pension Schemes Act 1993; (704)
8.Pensions Appeal Tribunals (England and Wales) (Amendment) Rules 2005, laid under the Pensions Appeal Tribunals Act 1943; (709)
9.Certification Officer (Amendment of Fees) Regulations 2005, laid under the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992; (713)
10.Supervision of Accounts and Reports (Prescribed Body) Order 2005, laid under the Companies (Audit, Investigations and Community Enterprise) Act 2004; (715)
11. (i) Guardian’s Allowance Up-rating Regulations 2005— (719)
(ii) Social Security (Contributions) (Amendment No. 2) Regulations 2005—(728)
(iii)Statutory Maternity Pay (General) (Amendment) Regulations 2005—(729)
 laid under the Social Security Contributions and Benefits Act 1992;
12.Work at Height Regulations 2005, laid under the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974; (735)
13.Asylum Support (Amendment) (No.2) Regulations 2005, laid under the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999; (738)
14. (i)Legal Aid for Crown Court Proceedings (Costs) Rules (Northern Ireland) 2005— (—)
(ii)Legal Aid in Criminal Proceedings (Costs) (Amendment) Rules (Northern Ireland) 2005—(—)
 laid under the Legal Aid, Advice and Assistance (Northern Ireland) Order 1981.
7.Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table:
1.Remit for the Monetary Policy Committee, laid under the Bank of England Act 1998;
2.Report and Accounts 2003–04 of the Northern Ireland Council for the Curriculum, Examinations and Assessment, laid under the Northern Ireland Act 2000;
3.Report on an announced inspection of Magilligan Prison by HM Chief Inspector of Prisons and the Chief Inspector of Criminal Justice in Northern Ireland, laid under the Justice (Northern Ireland) Act 2002.
8.Instrument coming into operation before being laid—The Lord Chancellor acquainted the House that he had received, under the proviso to section 4(1) of the Statutory Instruments Act 1946, notification that the following instrument came into operation before being laid before Parliament, with an explanation thereof; the notification and explanation were ordered to lie on the Table:

Civil Procedure (Amendment No. 2) Rules 2005.


Public Business

9.Business of the House—It was moved by the Lord President (Baroness Amos) that the debates on the motions in the names of the Baroness Sharp of Guildford and the Lord Garden set down for today shall each be limited to 2½ hours; the motion was agreed to.

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10.Consolidated Fund (Appropriation) Bill—It was moved by the Lord McIntosh of Haringey that the bill be now read a second time; the motion was agreed to and the Committee was negatived; then, Standing Order 47 having been dispensed with, the bill was read a third time and passed.
11.Education: Tomlinson Report (2½-hour debate)—It was moved by the Baroness Sharp of Guildford that there be laid before the House papers relating to the Tomlinson Report and to ways in which more 16-19 year olds can be encouraged to participate in education and training; after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn.
12.Iraq (2½-hour debate)—It was moved by the Lord Garden that there be laid before the House papers relating to the economic, political and security developments in Iraq since the intervention in 2003 by United Kingdom armed forces; after debate, the motion was (by leave of the House) withdrawn.
13.Regulatory Reform (Trading Stamps) Order 2005—It was moved by the Lord Triesman that the draft Regulatory Reform Order laid before the House on 17th January be approved; after debate, the motion was agreed to.
14.Companies Act 1985 (Operating and Financial Review and Directors’ Report etc.) Regulations 2005—It was moved by the Lord Triesman that the draft Regulations laid before the House on 12th January be approved; after debate, the motion was agreed to.

The House was adjourned at eight minutes before nine o’clock
till tomorrow, a quarter before ten o’clock for judicial business,
eleven o’clock for public business.



The Committee met at half-past three o’clock.

Charities Bill [HL]—The bill was further considered in the Grand Committee; amendments were moved and (by leave of the Committee) withdrawn; amendments were agreed to; the Committee was adjourned after amendment 183A.

The Committee was adjourned at twenty minutes past six o’clock.