House of Lords Journal 241 (Session 2007-08)


Tuesday 6 November 2007

The House met at 11.30am.

The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:

Hayman, B. (Lord Speaker)

Acton, L.
Adams of Craigielea, B.
Addington, L.
Adonis, L.
Ahmed, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Ampthill, L.
Anderson of Swansea, L.
Andrews, B.
Anelay of St Johns, B.
Armstrong of Ilminster, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Ashton of Upholland, B.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Baldwin of Bewdley, E.
Barker, B.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Bhatia, L.
Bhattacharyya, L.
Bilimoria, L.
Billingham, B.
Bilston, L.
Birt, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blackwell, L.
Blaker, L.
Blood, B.
Bonham-Carter of Yarnbury, B.
Boothroyd, B.
Borrie, L.
Boston of Faversham, L.
Bowness, L.
Boyce, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bradley, L.
Bradshaw, L.
Bramall, L.
Brennan, L.
Brett, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brooke of Sutton Mandeville, L.
Brookeborough, V.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnett, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butler of Brockwell, L.
Butler-Sloss, B.
Byford, B.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell of Surbiton, B.
Campbell-Savours, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carter of Coles, L.
Cathcart, E.
Chelmsford, Bp.
Chorley, L.
Clark of Windermere, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cobbold, L.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
Condon, L.
Cope of Berkeley, L.
Corston, B.
Cotter, L.
Courtown, E.
Coussins, B.
Coventry, Bp.
Cox, B.
Craig of Radley, L.
Crathorne, L.
Crawley, B.
Crickhowell, L.
Crisp, L.
Cunningham of Felling, L.
Darcy de Knayth, B.
Davies of Coity, L.
Davies of Oldham, L.
De Mauley, L.
Dear, L.
Dearing, L.
Denham, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donoughue, L.
D’Souza, B.
Dubs, L.
Dykes, L.
Eatwell, L.
Eccles, V.
Eccles of Moulton, B.
Elder, L.
Elles, B.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Elystan-Morgan, L.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Evans of Temple Guiting, L.
Falconer of Thoroton, L.
Falkland, V.
Falkner of Margravine, B.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Fearn, L.
Feldman, L.
Ferrers, E.
Filkin, L.
Finlay of Llandaff, B.
Flowers, L.
Fookes, B.
Ford, B.
Foster of Bishop Auckland, L.
Foulkes of Cumnock, L.
Fowler, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Fyfe of Fairfield, L.
Gale, B.
Garden of Frognal, B.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Gibson of Market Rasen, B.
Glenarthur, L.
Golding, B.
Goodhart, L.
Goodlad, L.
Goudie, B.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Greengross, B.
Greenway, L.
Grenfell, L.
Grocott, L.
Hamilton of Epsom, L.
Hanham, B.
Hardie, L.
Harries of Pentregarth, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harris of Richmond, B.
Harrison, L.
Hart of Chilton, L.
Haskel, L.
Hastings of Scarisbrick, L.
Haworth, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Henig, B.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Hooper, B.
Hooson, L.
Howarth of Newport, L.
Howe, E.
Howe of Aberavon, L.
Howe of Idlicote, B.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howells of St. Davids, B.
Howie of Troon, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Chesterton, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Hylton, L.
Inge, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L.
James of Blackheath, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Janvrin, L.
Jay of Paddington, B.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
Joffe, L.
Jones, L.
Jones of Cheltenham, L.
Jones of Whitchurch, B.
Jopling, L.
Jordan, L.
Judd, L.
Kalms, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kilclooney, L.
Kimball, L.
King of Bridgwater, L.
King of West Bromwich, L.
Kingsland, L.

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Kirkham, L.
Kirkwood of Kirkhope, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Laird, L.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Lee of Trafford, L.
Leicester, Bp.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Lewis of Newnham, L.
Lindsay, E.
Lipsey, L.
Liverpool, E.
Livsey of Talgarth, L.
Lloyd of Berwick, L.
Low of Dalston, L.
Ludford, B.
Luke, L.
Lyell, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
Mackay of Clashfern, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
Mackie of Benshie, L.
Maclennan of Rogart, L.
McNally, L.
Mar, C.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Mason of Barnsley, L.
Massey of Darwen, B.
Mawson, L.
Maxton, L.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Methuen, L.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Montrose, D.
Moonie, L.
Moran, L.
Morgan of Drefelin, B.
Morris of Aberavon, L.
Morris of Bolton, B.
Morris of Handsworth, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Moynihan, L.
Murphy, B.
Neuberger, B.
Neville-Jones, B.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Noakes, B.
Northbourne, L.
Northbrook, L.
Northover, B.
Norton of Louth, L.
O’Cathain, B.
O’Neill of Bengarve, B.
O’Neill of Clackmannan, L.
Onslow, E.
Oppenheim-Barnes, B.
Ouseley, L.
Oxburgh, L.
Palmer, L.
Patel, L.
Patel of Blackburn, L.
Patel of Bradford, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Pendry, L.
Peston, L.
Peterborough, Bp.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Plumb, L.
Portsmouth, Bp.
Prashar, B.
Prosser, B.
Prys-Davies, L.
Quirk, L.
Radice, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Ramsbotham, L.
Rana, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees, L.
Rees of Ludlow, L.
Rees-Mogg, L.
Rendell of Babergh, B.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Rennard, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Richard, L.
Richardson of Calow, B.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Roberts of Llandudno, L.
Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L.
Rogan, L.
Rooker, L.
Roper, L.
Rosser, L.
Rowlands, L.
Royall of Blaisdon, B.
Saatchi, L.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St John of Fawsley, L.
Salisbury, Bp.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sanderson of Bowden, L.
Sandwich, E.
Sawyer, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Scott of Needham Market, B.
Seccombe, B.
Selborne, E.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Selsdon, L.
Sewel, L.
Sharples, B.
Shaw of Northstead, L.
Sheikh, L.
Sheldon, L.
Shutt of Greetland, L.
Simon, V.
Skelmersdale, L.
Skidelsky, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Smith of Leigh, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stewartby, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Holbeach, L.
Taylor of Warwick, L.
Tebbit, L.
Temple-Morris, L.
Teverson, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thomas of Winchester, B.
Thornton, B.
Tomlinson, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trenchard, V.
Trimble, L.
Trumpington, B.
Truscott, L.
Tunnicliffe, L.
Turnberg, L.
Turner of Camden, B.
Uddin, B.
Ullswater, V.
Vadera, B.
Verma, B.
Waddington, L.
Wakeham, L.
Walker of Aldringham, L.
Wall of New Barnet, B.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Walmsley, B.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warner, L.
Warsi, B.
Warwick of Undercliffe, B.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Wedderburn of Charlton, L.
West of Spithead, L.
Whitaker, B.
Wilcox, B.
Wilkins, B.
Williams of Crosby, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williamson of Horton, L.
Wilson of Tillyorn, L.
Winchester, Bp.
Windlesham, L.
Woolmer of Leeds, L.
Wright of Richmond, L.
Young of Norwood Green, L.

1    Queen’s Speech The Queen being seated on the Throne, and the Commons being at the Bar with their Speaker, Her Majesty was pleased to make a Most Gracious Speech to both Houses of Parliament, and then retired.

The House adjourned. The House resumed at 3.30pm.

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Prayers were read by the Lord Bishop of Coventry.

2    Clerk of the Parliaments The House having been informed on 24 May that Her Majesty had been pleased to appoint Mr Michael Graham Pownall to the office of Clerk of the Parliaments, vacant by the retirement of Sir Paul David Grenville Hayter, KCB, LVO, the letters of appointment dated 4 November were read; then the said Michael Graham Pownall made the prescribed declaration (which declaration is set down in the Roll amongst the Oaths of the Great Officers), and took his seat at the Table (see Appendix).

3    Members of the House It was ordered that a list of members of the House, prepared by the Clerk of the Parliaments, be printed. (HL Paper 1)

4    Select Vestries Bill The Bill was presented by the Lord President (Baroness Ashton of Upholland) and read a first time pro forma.

5    Queen’s Speech The Lord Speaker reported the Queen’s Speech. Baroness Corston moved that a Humble Address be presented to Her Majesty as follows:

“Most Gracious Sovereign,

We, Your Majesty’s most dutiful and loyal subjects, the Lords Spiritual and Temporal in Parliament assembled, beg leave to thank Your Majesty for the most gracious Speech which Your Majesty has addressed to both Houses of Parliament.”

The motion was seconded by Lord Hart of Chilton, and the debate was adjourned till tomorrow.

6    Chairman of Committees Lord Brabazon of Tara was appointed to take the Chair in all Committees for this Session nemine dissentiente.

7    Principal Deputy Chairman of Committees Lord Grenfell was appointed Principal Deputy Chairman of Committees for this Session nemine dissentiente.

8    Stoppages in the Streets It was ordered that the Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis do take care that the passages through the streets leading to this House be kept free and open and that no obstruction be permitted to hinder the passage of Lords to and from this House during the sitting of Parliament; or to hinder Lords in the pursuit of their Parliamentary duties on the Parliamentary Estate; and that the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod attending this House do communicate this Order to the Commissioner.

9    Hereditary peers: by-elections The Clerk of the Parliaments laid before the House, in accordance with Standing Order 10(5), a register of hereditary peers (other than peers of Ireland) who wish to stand in any by-election for membership of the House held in accordance with section 2(4) of the House of Lords Act 1999; it was ordered that the register be printed. (HL Paper 2)

The House adjourned at 4.39pm until Wednesday 7 November at 3.00pm.


All statutory instruments laid before the House are accompanied by an Explanatory Memorandum presented by command of Her Majesty, unless otherwise indicated.

Instrument Withdrawn

The following instrument, laid before the House on 25 October, was withdrawn:

Draft Crime and Disorder Act 1998 (Additional Authorities) Order 2007.

Command Paper

The following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty:

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Contingent Liability—Minute from the Department of Health concerning the provision of indemnity for members of the independent inquiry into access to healthcare for people with learning disabilities.     (—)

Statutory Instruments (Standing Order 71)

The following instruments were laid before the House on the dates shown:

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Negative instruments
(1)    Merchant Shipping and Fishing Vessels (Control of Noise at Work) Regulations 2007307531 October
(2)    Merchant Shipping and Fishing Vessels (Control of Vibration at Work) Regulations 2007

laid under the European Communities Act 1972.

Asylum Support (Prescribed Period following Appeal) Regulations 2007, laid under the UK Borders Act 2007.310231 October
Agricultural Land Tribunals (Rules) Order 2007, laid under the Agriculture Act 1947.310531 October
Plant Health (England) (Amendment) (No. 3) Order 2007, laid under the Plant Health Act 1967.313331 October
Education (School Day and School Year) (England) (Amendment) Regulations 2007, laid under the Education Act 1996.30711 November
(1)    Merchant Shipping and Fishing Vessels (Health and Safety at Work) (Carcinogens and Mutagens) Regulations 200731001 November
(2)    Persistent Organic Pollutants Regulations 2007(3)    Import and Export Restrictions (Foot-and-Mouth Disease) (No. 6) Regulations 2007

laid under the European Communities Act 1972.

Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) (Amendment) (No. 3) Regulations 2007, laid under the Road Traffic Act 1988.31322 November
(1)    Motor Vehicles (EC Type Approval) (Amendment No. 2) Regulations 200731352 November
(2)    Community Drivers’ Hours and Working Time (Foot-and-Mouth Disease) (Temporary Exception) (Amendment) Regulations

laid under the European Communities Act 1972.

(1)    British Nationality (General and Hong Kong) (Amendment) Regulations31372 November
(2)    British Nationality (British Overseas Territories) Regulations 2007

laid under the British Nationality Act 1981.

Prison (Amendment No. 2) Rules 2007, laid under the Prison Act 1952.31492 November
PPP Administration Order Rules 2007, laid under the Insolvency Act 1986.31415 November


Affirmative Instruments

The following instruments were laid before the House for approval by resolution:

1    Draft Crime and Disorder Act 1998 (Additional Authorities) Order 2007, laid under the Crime and Disorder Act 1998.

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2    Draft Immigration, Asylum and Nationality Act 2006 (Duty to Share Information and Disclosure of Information for Security Purposes) Order 2007, laid under the Immigration, Asylum and Nationality Act 2006.

3    Company and Business Names (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 2007, laid under the Companies Act 1985.     (3152)

Negative Instruments

The following instruments were laid before the House:

(1)    York Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust (Transfer of Trust Property) Order 2007     (3144)

(2)    Scarborough and North East Yorkshire Health Care National Health Service Trust (Transfer of Trust Property) Order 2007     (3145)

(3)    Harrogate and District NHS Foundation Trust (Transfer of Trust Property) Order 2007     (3146)

(4)    South Tees Hospitals National Health Service Trust (Transfer of Trust Property) Order 2007     (3147)

laid under the National Health Service Act 2006.

Paper not subject to parliamentary proceedings

The following paper was laid before the House:

Accounts for 2006-07 of the National Savings Bank: Ordinary Deposits, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the National Savings Bank Act 1971.

Instruments coming into operation before being laid

The Lord Speaker informed the House that she had received, under the proviso to section 4(1) of the Statutory Instruments Act 1946, notification that the following instruments had come into operation before being laid before Parliament, together with explanations:

1    Import and Export Restrictions (Foot-And-Mouth Disease) (No. 6) Regulations 2007, laid under the European Communities Act 1972.     (3142)
1 November

2    Company and Business Names (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 2007, laid under the Companies Act 1985.     (3152)
6 November

Judicial Business

1    Appeal Committees Two Appeal Committees were appointed pursuant to Standing Order.

2    Appellate Committees Two Appellate Committees were appointed pursuant to Standing Order.


ELIZABETH THE SECOND by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith To all to whom these Presents shall come Greeting Whereas the Office of Clerk of the Parliaments of Us Our heirs and successors has become vacant by the resignation of Our trusty and well beloved Sir Paul David Grenville Hayter Knight Commander of Our Most Honourable Order of the Bath Lieutenant of Our Royal Victorian Order Now Know Ye that We of Our especial grace Do constitute and appoint Our trusty and well beloved Michael Graham Pownall Esquire to be Clerk of the Parliaments of Us Our heirs and successors in the place of the said Sir Paul David Grenville Hayter to hold and exercise the said Office during his good behaviour therein for a period of three years from the

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date hereof Together with all privileges profits advantages and emoluments due and of right belonging to the said Office And that he the said Michael Graham Pownall shall be eligible for re-appointment thereafter And We do declare that the duties of the said Office shall be executed by the said Michael Graham Pownall in person and that he shall be removable by Us Our heirs and successors upon an Address of the House of Lords to Us Our heirs and successors for that purpose

In Witness whereof We have caused these Our Letters to be made Patent Witness Ourself at Westminster the 4th day of November in the fifty-sixth year of Our Reign