Wednesday 26 March 2008
The House met at 3.00pm.
The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present:
Hayman, B. (Lord Speaker)
Acton, L.
Adams of Craigielea, B.
Addington, L.
Adonis, L.
Ahmed, L.
Allenby of Megiddo, V.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Amos, B.
Anderson of Swansea, L.
Andrews, B.
Anelay of St Johns, B.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Armstrong of Ilminster, L.
Ashcroft, L.
Ashley of Stoke, L.
Ashton of Upholland, B.
Astor, V.
Astor of Hever, L.
Attlee, E.
Avebury, L.
Bach, L.
Baker of Dorking, L.
Barker, B.
Barnett, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L.
Beaumont of Whitley, L.
Berkeley, L.
Best, L.
Bew, L.
Bhatia, L.
Bhattacharyya, L.
Billingham, B.
Bilston, L.
Birt, L.
Blackstone, B.
Blood, B.
Bonham-Carter of Yarnbury, B.
Boothroyd, B.
Borrie, L.
Bottomley of Nettlestone, B.
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Bowness, L.
Boyce, L.
Brabazon of Tara, L.
Bradley, L.
Bradshaw, L.
Bragg, L.
Bramall, L.
Brennan, L.
Bridgeman, V.
Bridges, L.
Broers, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brooke of Sutton Mandeville, L.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Brougham and Vaux, L.
Burlison, L.
Burnett, L.
Buscombe, B.
Butler-Sloss, B.
Byford, B.
Caithness, E.
Cameron of Dillington, L.
Campbell of Alloway, L.
Campbell-Savours, L.
Carnegy of Lour, B.
Carter of Coles, L.
Cathcart, E.
Chichester, Bp.
Chidgey, L.
Christopher, L.
Clark of Windermere, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cobbold, L.
Cohen of Pimlico, B.
Colville of Culross, V.
Colwyn, L.
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Corbett of Castle Vale, L.
Corston, B.
Cotter, L.
Courtown, E.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
Crawley, B.
Crickhowell, L.
Crisp, L.
Cumberlege, B.
Cunningham of Felling, L.
Davidson of Glen Clova, L.
Davies of Coity, L.
De Mauley, L.
Dean of Harptree, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Dear, L.
Deech, B.
Denham, L.
Desai, L.
Dholakia, L.
Dixon, L.
Dixon-Smith, L.
Donoughue, L.
D’Souza, B.
Dubs, L.
Dykes, L.
Eames, L.
Eatwell, L.
Eccles, V.
Eden of Winton, L.
Elder, L.
Elis-Thomas, L.
Elliott of Morpeth, L.
Elton, L.
Elystan-Morgan, L.
Erroll, E.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Ezra, L.
Falkland, V.
Falkner of Margravine, B.
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Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Feldman, L.
Ferrers, E.
Filkin, L.
Flather, B.
Flowers, L.
Fookes, B.
Ford, B.
Forsyth of Drumlean, L.
Foster of Bishop Auckland, L.
Fowler, L.
Fraser of Carmyllie, L.
Freeman, L.
Fyfe of Fairfield, L.
Gale, B.
Garden of Frognal, B.
Gardner of Parkes, B.
Geddes, L.
Gilbert, L.
Glasgow, E.
Glenarthur, L.
Glentoran, L.
Goodhart, L.
Goodlad, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Goschen, V.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Greengross, B.
Greenway, L.
Gregson, L.
Grocott, L.
Hamilton of Epsom, L.
Hamwee, B.
Hanham, B.
Hannay of Chiswick, L.
Hanningfield, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harris of Richmond, B.
Harrison, L.
Haskel, L.
Hastings of Scarisbrick, L.
Haworth, L.
Hayhoe, L.
Henig, B.
Henley, L.
Higgins, L.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Holme of Cheltenham, L.
Home, E.
Hooper, B.
Howarth of Breckland, B.
Howarth of Newport, L.
Howe, E.
Howe of Aberavon, L.
Howe of Idlicote, B.
Howell of Guildford, L.
Howells of St. Davids, B.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Hunt of Wirral, L.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Hylton, L.
Inge, L.
Inglewood, L.
Irvine of Lairg, L.
James of Blackheath, L.
James of Holland Park, B.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Jenkin of Roding, L.
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Joffe, L.
Jones, L.
Jones of Cheltenham, L.
Jones of Whitchurch, B.
Jopling, L.
Jordan, L.
Judd, L.
Kennedy of The Shaws, B.
Kilclooney, L.
King of Bridgwater, L.
King of West Bromwich, L.
Kingsland, L.
Kingsmill, B.
Kinnock, L.
Kirkhill, L.
Kirkwood of Kirkhope, L.
Knight of Collingtree, B.
Laird, L.
Lamont of Lerwick, L.
Lawson of Blaby, L.
Layard, L.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Lee of Trafford, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Levene of Portsoken, L.
Levy, L.
Lewis of Newnham, L.
Lipsey, L.
Liverpool, E.
Livsey of Talgarth, L.
Lloyd of Berwick, L.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
Low of Dalston, L.
Lucas, L.
Luke, L.
Lyell of Markyate, L.
McColl of Dulwich, L.
McDonagh, B.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
MacGregor of Pulham Market, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
McIntosh of Hudnall, B.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
McKenzie of Luton, L.
MacLaurin of Knebworth, L.
Maclennan of Rogart, L.
McNally, L.
Maddock, B.
Maginnis of Drumglass, L.
Mallalieu, B.
Malloch-Brown, L.
Mar, C.
Marland, L.
Marlesford, L.
Marsh, L.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Massey of Darwen, B.
Mawson, L.
Maxton, L.
May of Oxford, L.
Mayhew of Twysden, L.
Meacher, B.
Methuen, L.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
Miller of Hendon, B.
Mitchell, L.
Molyneaux of Killead, L.
Monson, L.
Montagu of Beaulieu, L.
Montgomery of Alamein, V.
Montrose, D.
Morgan, L.
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Morgan of Drefelin, B.
Morgan of Huyton, B.
Morris of Aberavon, L.
Morris of Bolton, B.
Morris of Handsworth, L.
Morris of Manchester, L.
Morris of Yardley, B.
Moser, L.
Moynihan, L.
Murphy, B.
Naseby, L.
Neill of Bladen, L.
Neuberger, B.
Neville-Jones, B.
Newby, L.
Newton of Braintree, L.
Noakes, B.
Northbrook, L.
Northesk, E.
Northover, B.
Norton of Louth, L.
Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L.
O’Cathain, B.
O’Neill of Clackmannan, L.
Onslow, E.
Ouseley, L.
Oxburgh, L.
Paisley of St George’s, B.
Palmer, L.
Parekh, L.
Park of Monmouth, B.
Patel of Blackburn, L.
Patel of Bradford, L.
Paul, L.
Pearson of Rannoch, L.
Pendry, L.
Peston, L.
Pilkington of Oxenford, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Plant of Highfield, L.
Plumb, L.
Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L.
Prashar, B.
Prosser, B.
Prys-Davies, L.
Puttnam, L.
Quin, B.
Quirk, L.
Radice, L.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Ramsbotham, L.
Rawlings, B.
Razzall, L.
Rea, L.
Reay, L.
Redesdale, L.
Rees of Ludlow, L.
Rees-Mogg, L.
Renfrew of Kaimsthorn, L.
Rennard, L.
Renton of Mount Harry, L.
Richard, L.
Ripon and Leeds, Bp.
Rix, L.
Roberts of Conwy, L.
Roberts of Llandudno, L.
Rogan, L.
Rooker, L.
Roper, L.
Rosslyn, E.
Rowe-Beddoe, L.
Royall of Blaisdon, B.
Russell-Johnston, L.
Ryder of Wensum, L.
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St. Albans, Bp.
St. John of Bletso, L.
St John of Fawsley, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Sandwich, E.
Sawyer, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Scott of Needham Market, B.
Seccombe, B.
Selborne, E.
Selkirk of Douglas, L.
Sewel, L.
Sharp of Guildford, B.
Sharples, B.
Sheikh, L.
Sheldon, L.
Shephard of Northwold, B.
Shrewsbury, E.
Shutt of Greetland, L.
Simon, V.
Skelmersdale, L.
Slim, V.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Smith of Finsbury, L.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Snape, L.
Soley, L.
Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L.
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Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stern, B.
Stevens of Kirkwhelpington, L.
Stewartby, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Strabolgi, L.
Strathclyde, L.
Sutherland of Houndwood, L.
Swinfen, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taverne, L.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Bolton, B.
Taylor of Holbeach, L.
Teverson, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Thomas of Walliswood, B.
Thornton, B.
Tope, L.
Tordoff, L.
Trefgarne, L.
Trimble, L.
Trumpington, B.
Truscott, L.
Tugendhat, L.
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Turner of Camden, B.
Tyler, L.
Uddin, B.
Ullswater, V.
Vadera, B.
Verma, B.
Waddington, L.
Wade of Chorlton, L.
Wakeham, L.
Wall of New Barnet, B.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Wallace of Tankerness, L.
Walmsley, B.
Walpole, L.
Walton of Detchant, L.
Warner, L.
Warnock, B.
Warsi, B.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
Watson of Richmond, L.
West of Spithead, L.
Whitaker, B.
Wilcox, B.
Wilkins, B.
Williams of Elvel, L.
Williamson of Horton, L.
Windlesham, L.
Woolf, L.
Woolmer of Leeds, L.
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Prayers were read by the Lord Bishop of Ripon and Leeds.
Select Committee Reports
1 Statutory Instruments
The following Report from the Joint Committee was made and ordered to be printed:
15th Report on certain statutory instruments. (HL Paper 87)
2 Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform
The following Report from the Select Committee was made and ordered to be printed:
7th Report, on the following bills:
European Union (Amendment) Bill
Immigration (Discharged Gurkhas) Bill [HL]
Iraq War Inquiry Bill [HL]
Children and Young Persons Bill [HL]— Government amendments. (HL Paper 88)
Public Business
3 Berwick-upon-Tweed A question was asked by Lord Palmer and answered by Lord Hunt of Kings Heath.
4 Asylum seekers: detainees A question was asked by Lord Hylton and answered by Lord West of Spithead.
5 Energy: efficiency A question was asked by Lord Berkeley and answered by Lord Rooker.
6 Royal Navy: aircraft carriers A question was asked by Lord Astor of Hever and answered by Baroness Taylor of Bolton.
7 Business of the House The Lord President (Baroness Ashton of Upholland) moved that Standing Order 41 (Arrangement of the Order Paper) be dispensed with tomorrow to allow the motion standing in the name of Baroness Andrews to be taken before the motion standing in the name of Lord Harries of Pentregarth. The motion was agreed to.
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8 Crown Agents Holding and Realisation Board (Prescribed Day) Order 2008 Baroness Thornton, on behalf of Baroness Crawley, moved that the draft Order laid before the House on 4 February be approved. The motion was agreed to.
9 Proceeds of Crime Act 2002 (Investigations in England, Wales and Northern Ireland: Code of Practice) Order 2008
Proceeds of Crime Act 2002 (Cash Searches: Code of Practice) Order 2008
Serious Crime Act 2007 (Amendment of the Proceeds of Crime Act 2002) Order 2008
Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) (Amendment) Order 2008
Lord West of Spithead moved that the draft Orders be approved en bloc. The motion was agreed to.
10 Rail Vehicle Accessibility (B2007 Vehicles) Exemption Order 2008 Lord Bassam of Brighton moved that the draft Order laid before the House on 31 January be approved. The motion was agreed to.
11 Local Involvement Networks (Duty of Services-Providers to Allow Entry) Regulations 2008 Baroness Thornton moved that the draft Regulations laid before the House on 18 February be approved. The motion was agreed to.
12 Companies Act 2006 (Consequential Amendments etc.) Order 2008
Companies Act 2006 (Consequential Amendments) (Taxes and National Insurance) Order 2008
Lord Bach, on behalf of Baroness Vadera, moved that the draft Orders be approved en bloc. The motion was agreed to.
13 Pension Protection Fund (Pension Compensation Cap) Order 2008
Occupational Pension Schemes (Levies) (Amendment) Regulations 2008
Occupational Pension Schemes (Levy Ceiling) Order 2008
Baroness Thornton, on behalf of Lord McKenzie of Luton, moved that the draft instruments be approved en bloc. The motion was agreed to.
14 Offender Management Act 2007 (Consequential Amendments) Order 2008 Lord Hunt of Kings Heath moved that the draft Order laid before the House on 6 February be approved. The motion was agreed to.
15 Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Act 2006 (Prescribed Criteria) (Transitional Provisions) Regulations 2008 Baroness Royall of Blaisdon, on behalf of Lord Adonis, moved that the draft Regulations laid before the House on 5 March be approved. The motion was agreed to.
The House adjourned. The House resumed.
16 Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill The report was received. Amendment 3 was disagreed to (see division list). Amendments were agreed to. The report stage was adjourned.
17 Education (Student Support) (Amendment) Regulations 2008 Lord Lucas moved that a Humble Address be presented to Her Majesty praying that the Regulations, laid before the House on 7 February, be annulled (SI 2008/235). After debate, the motion was withdrawn.
The House adjourned. The House resumed.
18 Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill The report stage was continued, beginning with amendment 14. Amendments were agreed to. The report stage was adjourned after amendment 35.
The House adjourned at 9.52pm until Thursday 27 March at 11.00am.
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Papers
All statutory instruments laid before the House are accompanied by an Explanatory Memorandum presented by command of Her Majesty, unless otherwise indicated.
Command Papers
The following papers were presented to the House by command of Her Majesty:
1 Finance—Treasury Minutes on the First to the Sixth Reports from the Committee of Public Accounts. (7323)
2 Human Rights—Government Response to the 9th Report of the Joint Committee on Human Rights on the Counter-Terrorism Bill. (7344)
Negative Instruments
The following instruments were laid before the House:
1 Immigration (Disposal of Property) Regulations 2008, laid under the UK Borders Act 2007. (786)
2 Statutes made by Christ’s College, Cambridge on 27 November 2007, laid under the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge Act 1923. (—)
Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings
The following papers were laid before the House:
1 Joint Report of the Local Government Ombudsman and of the Health Service Ombudsman for England on injustice in residential care, laid under the Health Service Commissioners Act 1993.
2 Review of the Registrar General on marriages and divorces in 2005, and adoptions in 2006, in England and Wales, laid under the Registration Service Act 1953.
3 Budgets Determination and Direction for 2008-09 of the Community Legal Service Fund, laid under the Access to Justice Act 1999.
4 Best Value Performance Plan for 2007-08 of the Northern Ireland Policing Board, together with the Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General, laid under the Police (Northern Ireland) Act 2000.
Division
Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill
The Earl of Onslow moved amendment 3, after clause 1 to insert the new clause, Custody of children: conditions to be met. The House divided:
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Contents
Addington, L.
Alton of Liverpool, L.
Ashcroft, L.
Astor, V.
Avebury, L.
Bowness, L.
Burnett, L.
Chichester, Bp.
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Chidgey, L.
Clement-Jones, L.
Colwyn, L.
Cotter, L.
Craig of Radley, L.
Craigavon, V.
D’Souza, B.
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Deech, B.
Dholakia, L.
Dykes, L.
Eccles, V.
Falkland, V.
Falkner of Margravine, B.
Feldman, L.
Glasgow, E.
Goodhart, L.
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Greenway, L.
Hamwee, B.
Harris of Richmond, B.
Higgins, L.
Howe of Idlicote, B.
Hurd of Westwell, L.
Hylton, L.
Jones of Cheltenham, L.
Lester of Herne Hill, L.
Livsey of Talgarth, L.
Low of Dalston, L.
Maclennan of Rogart, L.
Maddock, B.
Masham of Ilton, B.
Methuen, L.
Miller of Chilthorne Domer, B.
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Naseby, L.
Northover, B.
Norton of Louth, L.
Onslow, E. [Teller]
Paisley of St George’s, B.
Palmer, L.
Ramsbotham, L.
Razzall, L.
Rennard, L.
Ripon and Leeds, Bp.
Roberts of Llandudno, L.
Rogan, L.
Roper, L.
Saltoun of Abernethy, Ly.
Scott of Needham Market, B.
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Sharp of Guildford, B.
Shrewsbury, E.
Shutt of Greetland, L.
Smith of Clifton, L.
Steel of Aikwood, L.
Stern, B. [Teller]
Stevens of Kirkwhelpington, L.
Stoddart of Swindon, L.
Teverson, L.
Thomas of Gresford, L.
Thomas of Swynnerton, L.
Tyler, L.
Wallace of Saltaire, L.
Wallace of Tankerness, L.
Walmsley, B.
Walpole, L.
Williamson of Horton, L.
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Not Contents
Acton, L.
Adams of Craigielea, B.
Adonis, L.
Ahmed, L.
Anderson of Swansea, L.
Archer of Sandwell, L.
Bach, L.
Bassam of Brighton, L. [Teller]
Bhatia, L.
Billingham, B.
Bilston, L.
Blackstone, B.
Borrie, L.
Bradley, L.
Bragg, L.
Brooke of Alverthorpe, L.
Brookman, L.
Brooks of Tremorfa, L.
Burlison, L.
Butler-Sloss, B.
Campbell-Savours, L.
Carter of Coles, L.
Christopher, L.
Clarke of Hampstead, L.
Clinton-Davis, L.
Cohen of Pimlico, B.
Corbett of Castle Vale, L.
Corston, B.
Crawley, B.
Cunningham of Felling, L.
Davidson of Glen Clova, L.
Davies of Coity, L.
Dean of Thornton-le-Fylde, B.
Desai, L.
Dixon, L.
Donoughue, L.
Dubs, L.
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Elder, L.
Elystan-Morgan, L.
Evans of Parkside, L.
Farrington of Ribbleton, B.
Faulkner of Worcester, L.
Filkin, L.
Ford, B.
Foster of Bishop Auckland, L.
Gale, B.
Gilbert, L.
Gordon of Strathblane, L.
Gould of Potternewton, B.
Graham of Edmonton, L.
Grocott, L.
Harris of Haringey, L.
Harrison, L.
Haskel, L.
Haworth, L.
Henig, B.
Hilton of Eggardon, B.
Hollis of Heigham, B.
Howarth of Newport, L.
Hoyle, L.
Hughes of Woodside, L.
Hunt of Kings Heath, L.
Janner of Braunstone, L.
Joffe, L.
Jones, L.
Jones of Whitchurch, B.
King of West Bromwich, L.
Kinnock, L.
Kirkhill, L.
Layard, L.
Lea of Crondall, L.
Lipsey, L.
Lofthouse of Pontefract, L.
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McDonagh, B.
Macdonald of Tradeston, L.
McIntosh of Haringey, L.
Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L.
McKenzie of Luton, L.
Mallalieu, B.
Malloch-Brown, L.
Maxton, L.
Mitchell, L.
Monson, L.
Morgan of Drefelin, B.
Morris of Aberavon, L.
Morris of Yardley, B.
O’Neill of Clackmannan, L.
Parekh, L.
Patel of Blackburn, L.
Pitkeathley, B.
Ramsay of Cartvale, B.
Royall of Blaisdon, B. [Teller]
Sawyer, L.
Scotland of Asthal, B.
Sewel, L.
Simon, V.
Smith of Gilmorehill, B.
Snape, L.
Soley, L.
Stone of Blackheath, L.
Symons of Vernham Dean, B.
Taylor of Blackburn, L.
Taylor of Bolton, B.
Thornton, B.
Vadera, B.
Wall of New Barnet, B.
Warner, L.
Watson of Invergowrie, L.
West of Spithead, L.
Whitaker, B.
Wilkins, B.
Woolmer of Leeds, L.
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