Examination of Witnesses (Questions 5440
- 5459)
5440. MS LIEVEN: I am sure we can find
it without the slightest trouble. We will make sure that is covered
in the same note, Lady Fookes.
5441. CHAIRMAN: Perhaps you could explain
one other thing. It is said that these are going to be very large
lorries. I am not sure that is so. I dare say that until you have
a nominated contractor it is very difficult to anticipate what
sort of lorries they will have but are these going to be eight-axle
rigid lorries?
5442. MS LIEVEN: I think I should ask
Mr Walters to answer that question, my Lord.
(Mr Walters)
They certainly could have double axles at the back, my Lord. They
would have four axles, rigid lorries.
5443. CHAIRMAN: Getting those around
the sorts of corners we have been looking at could be quite a
problem.
(Mr Walters)
They certainly are the ones used on the swept paths.
5444. CHAIRMAN: That is what we were
talking about last week with the Hanbury Street moves.
5445. BARONESS FOOKES: The computer said
it could be done.
5446. CHAIRMAN: It could be done but
you would have to do something about the pavements and bollards
and all that sort of thing.
5447. MS LIEVEN: Mr Walters, will swept
path analyses have been done for these junctions?
(Mr Walters)
Yes.
5448. MS LIEVEN: My Lord Chairman, in
an effort to be as helpful as possible we might try to produce
a couple of the swept-path diagrams that go with these two junctions
so that your Lordships can see what assumptions have been made.
5449. CHAIRMAN: Ms Singleton and her
colleagues who live in Kempton Court would be very interested
indeed to see a diagram of what the junction we have been looking
at on the photograph would look like after it has been made suitable
for these sorts of lorries.
5450. BARONESS FOOKES: I presume that
such a study would need to have built into it some idea of the
size of the lorries or you could scarcely make the computations.
5451. MS LIEVEN: Absolutely, Lady Fookes.
These diagrams are normally done with a range of different lorry
sizes. Each figure has a specific lorry size attached to it. On
the diagram there is a little picture of the assumed lorry as
it goes around the corner. We will make sure that it is marked
up so that you can see what size of lorry has been assumed for
the particular diagram. Normally, one takes the largest lorry
as the worst possible case.
5452. CHAIRMAN: I think you have to take
the four-axle lorries if there is going to be spoil taken away,
for instance from shaft sites, it seems to me that you want to
have a lorry as large as it possibly can be in order to get as
much of the material away in one go as it is possible to do.
5453. MS LIEVEN: We will make sure, my
Lord Chairman, that we show what was assumed for the purpose of
the Environmental Statement, so that one can equate the size of
lorry with the number of lorry movements that we have assumed.
Otherwise we might be accused of acting unfairly, by assuming
very large lorries for one purpose and then taking little lorries
for another purpose. We will make sure that we have done it entirely
consistently.
5454. CHAIRMAN: Ms Singleton, you shall
see this because I think it will be of great interest to you.
5455. MS SINGLETON: Thank you. May I
also ask that Crossrail staff come down and see the situation
as it exists at the moment with the East London line lorries?
5456. MS LIEVEN: My Lord, I can certainly
agree that we will ensure that some staff go and see what is happening.
I have also said to Ms Singleton already that we will communicate
with Transport for London in order to see what is happening there
at the moment.
5457. I think that completes Mr Walters' evidence
unless there is anything the Committee wish to ask him.
5458. CHAIRMAN: No. Thank you very much,
Mr Walters.
The witness withdrew
5459. Ms Lieven, do you want to call any other
witnesses?
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