Select Committee on the Crossrail Bill Minutes of Evidence

Examination of Witnesses (Questions 5440 - 5459)

  5440. MS LIEVEN: I am sure we can find it without the slightest trouble. We will make sure that is covered in the same note, Lady Fookes.

  5441. CHAIRMAN: Perhaps you could explain one other thing. It is said that these are going to be very large lorries. I am not sure that is so. I dare say that until you have a nominated contractor it is very difficult to anticipate what sort of lorries they will have but are these going to be eight-axle rigid lorries?

  5442. MS LIEVEN: I think I should ask Mr Walters to answer that question, my Lord.

   (Mr Walters) They certainly could have double axles at the back, my Lord. They would have four axles, rigid lorries.

  5443. CHAIRMAN: Getting those around the sorts of corners we have been looking at could be quite a problem.

   (Mr Walters) They certainly are the ones used on the swept paths.

  5444. CHAIRMAN: That is what we were talking about last week with the Hanbury Street moves.

  5445. BARONESS FOOKES: The computer said it could be done.

  5446. CHAIRMAN: It could be done but you would have to do something about the pavements and bollards and all that sort of thing.

  5447. MS LIEVEN: Mr Walters, will swept path analyses have been done for these junctions?

   (Mr Walters) Yes.

  5448. MS LIEVEN: My Lord Chairman, in an effort to be as helpful as possible we might try to produce a couple of the swept-path diagrams that go with these two junctions so that your Lordships can see what assumptions have been made.

  5449. CHAIRMAN: Ms Singleton and her colleagues who live in Kempton Court would be very interested indeed to see a diagram of what the junction we have been looking at on the photograph would look like after it has been made suitable for these sorts of lorries.

  5450. BARONESS FOOKES: I presume that such a study would need to have built into it some idea of the size of the lorries or you could scarcely make the computations.

  5451. MS LIEVEN: Absolutely, Lady Fookes. These diagrams are normally done with a range of different lorry sizes. Each figure has a specific lorry size attached to it. On the diagram there is a little picture of the assumed lorry as it goes around the corner. We will make sure that it is marked up so that you can see what size of lorry has been assumed for the particular diagram. Normally, one takes the largest lorry as the worst possible case.

  5452. CHAIRMAN: I think you have to take the four-axle lorries if there is going to be spoil taken away, for instance from shaft sites, it seems to me that you want to have a lorry as large as it possibly can be in order to get as much of the material away in one go as it is possible to do.

  5453. MS LIEVEN: We will make sure, my Lord Chairman, that we show what was assumed for the purpose of the Environmental Statement, so that one can equate the size of lorry with the number of lorry movements that we have assumed. Otherwise we might be accused of acting unfairly, by assuming very large lorries for one purpose and then taking little lorries for another purpose. We will make sure that we have done it entirely consistently.

  5454. CHAIRMAN: Ms Singleton, you shall see this because I think it will be of great interest to you.

  5455. MS SINGLETON: Thank you. May I also ask that Crossrail staff come down and see the situation as it exists at the moment with the East London line lorries?

  5456. MS LIEVEN: My Lord, I can certainly agree that we will ensure that some staff go and see what is happening. I have also said to Ms Singleton already that we will communicate with Transport for London in order to see what is happening there at the moment.

  5457. I think that completes Mr Walters' evidence unless there is anything the Committee wish to ask him.

  5458. CHAIRMAN: No. Thank you very much, Mr Walters.

The witness withdrew

  5459. Ms Lieven, do you want to call any other witnesses?

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