Examination of Witnesses (Questions 10120
- 10139)
10120. MR ELVIN: I propose to call Mr
Berryman shortly just to deal with the costs issue, particularly
the point that my Lord, Lord Brooke raised this morning, which,
if you can read my handwriting, I have had it photocopied.
The Petition of the Rail Freight Group
10121. CHAIRMAN: Let's start with Mr
Berryman then.
10122. MR GEORGE: The only matter which
slightly concerns me is Mr Garratt is here, your Lordships will
recall, from the Rail Freight Group, and he simply has to be re-examined
with any questions from your Lordships, and I know he has a pressing
problem for this afternoon so I was wondering whether the ten-minute
slot would be enough for Mr Garratt, who I know was in difficulties.
10123. MR ELVIN: My Lord, I have absolutely
no objection to that.
10124. CHAIRMAN: We will do that then,
although that deprives us of the opportunity of wishing Mr Berryman
a very happy birthday while he is in the witness box, and I gather
we should have done the same to you yesterday, Mr Elvin.
10125. MR ELVIN: Thank you.
MR MICHAEL
GARRATT, recalled
Re-examined by LORD
BERKELEY
10126. LORD BERKELEY: I have questions
for you, Mr Garratt, from page 66 of Tuesday's transcript, when
Mr Taylor questioned you about the level of detailed design required
before a Petitioner could ask for a piece of work to be included,
paragraph 9151.[26]
Mr Garratt, from your experience of giving evidence in many major
public inquiries on transport matters, is it normal for Petitioners
or objectors to do the design for works which they want included
or do not want included?
(Mr Garratt) Yes, it is normal to produce designs
which effectively describe the functionality of the track layout,
if that is what it amounts to, that is concerned, yes.
10127. And to what level of detail would you
expect a design to be done such as we are talking about here?
(Mr Garratt) To a level of detail which shows in two dimensions,
preferably three, the track layouts, so it is possible to calculate
the way trains will move in and out of the terminal, let's say,
so that capacity issues can be reasonably explored.
10128. LORD BERKELEY: If we can turn
to page 68, paragraphs 9168 and onwards.[27]
I am not going to ask you to go into details of how many trains
and whether there is one too many or one too few. However, I believe
you were at a timetabling group meeting yesterday. Could you just
tell the Committee whether in your view the Promoters have accepted
the ORR decisions in respect of a number of freight trains on
the two main lines?
10129. CHAIRMAN: I do not think he can
answer what they have accepted.
10130. LORD BERKELEY: Perhaps I could
ask him to explain, my Lord Chairman, what happened there and
whether the timetable work that is proceeding is based on the
ORR's determination?
10131. MR TAYLOR: My Lord, it is normal
for re-examination to address matters that were raised in cross-examination,
and I am afraid I did not raise this in cross-examination of Mr
Garratt.
10132. CHAIRMAN: I do not think you can
take this point any further.
10133. LORD BERKELEY: Thank you, my Lord
Chairman.
10134. Finally, on the next page, page 69, paragraph
9175, could you, Mr Garratt, just clarify what you were saying
about the Ipswich-Peterborough-Nuneaton route?[28]
Are you suggesting that the Committee should require that to be
upgraded at any particular time --
10135. CHAIRMAN: I can answer this: we
are not empowered to do so.
10136. LORD BERKELEY: That is what I
was going to suggest. That is all I had to cross-examine on.
Examined by THE
COMMITTEE
10137. CHAIRMAN: Mr Garratt, you are
an expert on modelling?
(Mr Garratt) On forecasting.
10138. LORD YOUNG OF NORWOOD GREEN: I
am lost now. Is there a difference?
(Mr Garratt) It depends what you are modelling.
10139. CHAIRMAN: Do you not do that with
a model?
(Mr Garratt) Yes, but I am trying to distinguish between
detailed timetable modelling, and forecasting.
26 Para 9151, Uncorrected Transcript, 29 April 2008
[Mr Reuben Taylor; Mr Garratt] Back
27
Para 9168, Uncorrected Transcript, 29 April 2008 [Mr Reuben Taylor;
Mr Garratt] Back
28
Para 9175, Uncorrected Transcript, 29 April 2008 [Mr Reuben Taylor;
Mr Garratt] Back
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