Examination of Witnesses (Questions 11240
- 11259)
11240. MS LIEVEN: My Lord, as your Lordships
can see from what is on the screen, what we have said, at the
bottom, in the italics here is: "The Promoter is willing
to continue to review and discuss the findings of the TfL study
into the CCZ boundary with TfL, Westminster City Council and relevant
stakeholders in line with the requirements of the House of Commons
Select Committee." That is as far as we can go. TfL are not
the Promoters or co-Promoters of this Bill; this is a Government
Bill promoted by the Department for Transport.
11241. CHAIRMAN: That is what you told
me the other day.
11242. MS LIEVEN: True to say TfL are
co-sponsors of the project, and are clearly intimately involved
in the project, and we are talking with them, and we have talked
with them closely about this subject, the words in inverted commas
at the end there are as far as we can go, I am afraid. There is
really nothing more I can say about the subject.
11243. CHAIRMAN: Are the words in the
House of Commons paragraph here correct? I think they are not.
11244. MS LIEVEN: No, they are not, my
Lord. They are a correct record of what the House of Commons said—
11245. CHAIRMAN: Of course they are.
11246. MS LIEVEN: But it is not correct
to say that TfL is a co-Promoter of the Bill. No, that is a mistake.
11247. CHAIRMAN: In which case, I do
not see what we can do.
11248. MS LIEVEN: My Lord, the most that
the Committee can do is make some very general statement in the
report; there can be no executive action here.
11249. CHAIRMAN: As long as we end up
by saying there is not anything we can do about it, I suppose,
that might go some way to help Mr Clarkson.
11250. MR CLARKSON: It would, my Lord—an
expression of a view would be extremely influential, I have no
doubt.
11251. LORD YOUNG OF NORWOOD GREEN: Can
we endorse that part of the paragraph in italics? Does that help?
11252. MS LIEVEN: Yes, my Lord, so far
as the Promoters are concerned, we would be more than happy for
you to endorse that and repeat it in your report.
11253. LORD YOUNG OF NORWOOD GREEN: Does
that help, Mr Clarkson?
The Petition of Paddington Residents Active
Concern on Transport (PRACT)
11254. CHAIRMAN: I am not going to endorse
"as Crossrail is jointly promoted by TfL".
11255. MS LIEVEN: My Lord, we may be
at cross-purposes. The inverted commas that we have given are,
I think, what my Lord, Lord Young had in mind. That the Promoter
is willing to review and discuss.
11256. CHAIRMAN: I do not see any difficulty
in endorsing that.
11257. LORD JAMES OF BLACKHEATH: My Lord
Chairman, is there not a problem that any inaccurate statement
contained in something to which you subsequently refer implies
an endorsement of the inaccuracy unless it is corrected or amended
as part of the base documentation? I do not see how we can comment
on anything which contains a wrong statement and then say anything
about it without appearing to support it.
11258. MR CLARKSON: All it is, my Lord,
is an endorsement of an assurance given by the Promoters; it is
nothing to do with what went on in the House of Commons.
11259. LORD YOUNG OF NORWOOD GREEN: I
do not know, my Lord Chairman, whether Lord James is looking at
the right paragraph. The bottom one on the page that is on the
screen now does not contain an inaccuracy. That is the one I was
suggesting we endorse, for that simple reason.
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